Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

The wizarding world would like a word….

I'll give you that, Harry and world did have movies before the MCU. However even it hasn't lasted as long and as of this year is getting a reboot.

 

[celluloid]

I'll give you that, Harry and world did have movies before the MCU. However even it hasn't lasted as long and as of this year is getting a reboot.

MCU is going into its remake and spinoff phase.

Potter has just been around ten plus years longer.

So you have a other qualifier now. Spinoffs and remakes do or don't count?

Lord of The Rings as well.

Current MCU ve tires can't even top Songs Spidey. So they are on the down slope.

 

[Disney Irish]

MCU is going into its remake and spinoff phase.

Potter has just been around ten plus years longer.

So you have a other qualifier now. Spinoffs and remakes do or don't count?

Lord of The Rings as well.

Current MCU ve tires can't even top Songs Spidey. So they are on the down slope.

MCU is not doing "remakes" of itself, so not sure where you got that idea. And I never mentioned "spinoff", which clearly the D+ shows are spinoffs of the movies. Also I said "reboot", as in starting over which the Wizarding World is doing and the MCU is not -

Harry Potter: The Pros and Cons of Rebooting the Series

While the idea of seeing Harry, Ron, and Hermione together again is exciting, there are some major drawbacks to rebooting Harry Potter on HBO Max.

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[celluloid]

MCU is not doing "remakes" of itself, so not sure where you got that idea. And I never mentioned "spinoff", which clearly the D+ shows are spinoffs of the movies. Also I said "reboot", as in starting over which the Wizarding World is doing and the MCU is not -

Harry Potter: The Pros and Cons of Rebooting the Series

While the idea of seeing Harry, Ron, and Hermione together again is exciting, there are some major drawbacks to rebooting Harry Potter on HBO Max.

movieweb.com

They will have to once all the original actors are done and they want to redo characters and keep selling the hottest icons.

Bruce Banner/The Hulk has been played by three different actors cinematically in the last fifteen years. The MCU one was certainly replaced from Edward Norton and story a bit reconned and actors replaced.

The term reboot is annoying because typically it is a continuation of original story. More sequel than remake. It serves to boos interest again.

Which Marvel has certainly done in The MCU.


The point is, be it Monsters, Star Wars, Lord of The Rings or Potter. Marvel as a theatrical cinematic shared universe venture is not the longest running. Just the most recent.

 

[flynnibus]

I'll give you that, Harry and world did have movies before the MCU. However even it hasn't lasted as long and as of this year is getting a reboot.

Harry potter movie 1 was 2001. Fantastic Beasts last film was 2022. That's not just before MCU, it's longer too. And unlike the MCU.. was actually conceived as a continuity from the start

 

[Disney Irish]

They will have to once all the original actors are done and they want to redo characters and keep selling the hottest icons.

Well when that day comes we'll talk about it, until then it hasn't happened in the MCU. Sure a couple different actors have played the same character but they are not "remakes" or "reboots", they are replacement actors, its still the same character in the same continuity.

Bruce Banner/The Hulk has been played by three different actors cinematically in the last fifteen years. The MCU one was certainly replaced from Edward Norton and story a bit reconned and actors replaced.

In the MCU the Hulk has only been played by two different actors, Edward Norton and Mark Ruffalo, which are the same character in the same continuity just with different actors. The Eric Bana portrayal is not part of the MCU, and thus not part of this conversation.

The term reboot is annoying because typically it is a continuation of original story. More sequel than remake. It serves to boos interest again.

Whether you find it annoying or not, the term reboot has a specific meaning in Hollywood. Now there are soft reboots and hard reboots. But again neither have happened in the MCU to date.

Which Marvel has certainly done in The MCU.

No the MCU has not done a reboot of itself, sorry. I will concede on the "being the first", but this is a hill I will die on as the MCU has not done a "reboot".

 

[Disney Irish]

Harry potter movie 1 was 2001. Fantastic Beasts last film was 2022. That's not just before MCU, it's longer too. And unlike the MCU.. was actually conceived as a continuity from the start

And the last Fantastic Beasts movie killed the franchise prompting WBD to reboot the whole World on Max.

 

[celluloid]

No the MCU has not done a reboot of itself, sorry. I will concede on the "being the first", but this is a hill I will die on as the MCU has not done a "reboot".

Ok. They just recast and retconned the Edward Norton 2008 hulk movie that underperformed. Call it what you will to die on whatever hill you choose.

I don't ever recall you saying it was the first, but you stating Marvel's MCU is the longest lasting was poor wording and untrue.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok. They just recast and retconned the Edward Norton 2008 hulk movie that underperformed. Call it what you will to die in whatever hill you choose.

Actors get replaced all the time, just look at TV shows, as long as the character is the same and continues within the same continuity its not a reboot. And yes retconning something is very common and not unique to the MCU, again still not a reboot.

 

[celluloid]

Actors get replaced all the time, just look at TV shows, as long as the character is the same and continues within the same continuity its not a reboot. And yes retconning something is very common and not unique to the MCU, again still not a reboot.

At what point is it a reboot and not a remake then?

This is why the term is silly and as I said splitting hairs because Monsters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Lord of the rings have lasted just as long.

Now most financially popular and successful in a short amount of time. No debating Marvel's MCU.

No one really calls Across the Spider verse a continuation of the Toby McGuire Spidey films from Sony, even though under your definition they would be. Continuity of that version of Peter Parker(Toby was originally chosen for the voice)

 

[Magenta Panther]

I agree, we're overdue for a good theatrical Muppets revival. No need to worry about recasts there.

Apparently, you've never heard the phrase "wrong-sounding Muppets".

 

[Disney Irish]

At what point is it a reboot and not a remake then?

This is why the term is silly and as I said splitting hairs because Monsters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Lord of the rings have lasted just as long.

Now most financially popular and successful in a short amount of time. No debating Marvel's MCU.

Again both have specific meanings in Hollywood, whether you think they are "silly" or not.

A "reboot" is when the whole continuity is reset, ie resetting the franchise. Think Star Trek 2009 as an example of a "reboot", same characters but not part of the original Star Trek continuity.

A "remake" is when a particular movie is remade a lot of times with different actors to tell the same story again. But is not necessarily part of the same continuity. For example we can use your Hulk reference here. The 2008 Hulk with Edward Norton was a remake of the 2003 Hulk with Eric Bana, but is not a continuation of the story and thus not in the same continuity. Which is why the 2003 Hulk is not part of the MCU.

The MCU has not had a "reboot" or a "remake" at this point in its history. It may in the future, but that day has not come yet.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Agreed… I have a couple of coworkers that complain of people being “woke”… I immediately respond with I am woke… shuts them up quickly

But I think the big take away is you are not seeing the outrage with Barbie the same way you are with every Disney movie… which I think would be different if it was produced by Disney… says something about this so called “Culture War”

I‘m not sure why people are so surprised “family friendly“ Disney is held to a different standard than the other studios, I’m old enough to remember the Black Cauldron controversy over it being rated PG.

Disney has a long history of being the “G rated studio” you could let your kids watch without worrying about the content, as they’ve gotten more modern over the years that views changed for some and they’ve voiced their displeasure, seems pretty straight forward.

 

[celluloid]

Again both have specific meanings in Hollywood, whether you think they are "silly" or not.

A "reboot" is when the whole continuity is reset, ie resetting the franchise. Think Star Trek 2009 as an example of a "reboot", same characters but not part of the original Star Trek continuity.

MCU has indeed and does constantly now, they just market them as multiverses
Not a bad thing, but let's call it what it is.
Star Trek even did this with the timelines so that example is null.

And, we are back to Monsters being considered under the qualified as the longest and original cinematic Universe.

 

[celluloid]

I‘m not sure why people are so surprised “family friendly“ Disney is held to a different standard than the other studios, I’m old enough to remember the Black Cauldron controversy over it being rated PG.

Disney has a long history of being the “G rated studio” you could let your kids watch without worrying about the content, as they’ve gotten more modern over the years that views changed for some and they’ve voiced their displeasure, seems pretty straight forward.

Indeed. I recall when "don't take any sh-- David" was shocking to hear from Flight of the Navigator. One line and we were flipped. Disney splattering their branding with The Simpsons and Marvel(pg13 language) has had an impact of change and as we are all learning, can hurt the brand.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Again both have specific meanings in Hollywood, whether you think they are "silly" or not.

A "reboot" is when the whole continuity is reset, ie resetting the franchise. Think Star Trek 2009 as an example of a "reboot", same characters but not part of the original Star Trek continuity.

A "remake" is when a particular movie is remade a lot of times with different actors to tell the same story again. But is not necessarily part of the same continuity. For example we can use your Hulk reference here. The 2008 Hulk with Edward Norton was a remake of the 2003 Hulk with Eric Bana, but is not a continuation of the story and thus not in the same continuity. Which is why the 2003 Hulk is not part of the MCU.

The MCU has not had a "reboot" or a "remake" at this point in its history. It may in the future, but that day has not come yet.

Ah, but Star Trek 2009 can be called a sequel because it follows the original Spock into an alternate timeline. It doesn't replace the original series so is therefore not a reboot.

Which is an example of why the terms reboot and remake are often confusing and not always used correctly.

 

[DKampy]

I‘m not sure why people are so surprised “family friendly“ Disney is held to a different standard than the other studios, I’m old enough to remember the Black Cauldron controversy over it being rated PG.

Disney has a long history of being the “G rated studio” you could let your kids watch without worrying about the content, as they’ve gotten more modern over the years that views changed for some and they’ve voiced their displeasure, seems pretty straight forward.

However Disney once owned Touchstone and Miramax for their movies that fit in their non-Disney brands… just like today they have Lucas, Marvel, snd 20th Century Fox…Pulp Fiction is technically a Disney movie

 

[Disney Analyst]

I’ve never seen an afternoon Thursday preview showing this full before… Barbie really is going to slay.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ah, but Star Trek 2009 can be called a sequel because it follows the original Spock into an alternate timeline. It doesn't replace the original series so is therefore not a reboot.

Which is an example of why the terms reboot and remake are often confusing and not always used correctly.

It was still considered a reboot, even if they tried to explain it away with Spock and the "timelines".

That aside, the point still remains that even though the MCU has included the multiverse with for example the multiple variants (reboots) of Spider-Man, the MCU itself has never done a reboot or remake unto itself yet. This is the distinction that is being lost here. Its still one long continuous continuity.

If for example in the future they redo Iron Man with someone other than RDJ that isn't part of the same continuity, which they may, that would be a reboot.

 

[Phroobar]

I’ve never seen an afternoon Thursday preview showing this full before… Barbie really is going to slay.

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Really? Mine are completely sold out for most showings.