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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

LSLS

LSLS

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Disney Irish said:
Its not as fringe as you think, you're discounting how main stream its really become over the last decade. I can't say more otherwise that will get into a topic that we're not allowed to talk about on this site.

As for the rest, I'm not disappointed at all in how things have progressed. Things take time and I understand that. Do I wish some things would progress faster, of course. But that is not how things in society necessarily move, they can, but not always.

I will disagree with you on what you call "crap". If some such as yourself didn't like it, I'm cool with that as that is just a matter of personal taste. Do I consider it was 100% top tier quality work, no. But I'm sorry I don't consider it "crap" either.
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I'm just not sure I'm convinced it's THAT large a group that it would significantly show up in the box office. I mean, if it was, why is Inside Out 2 blowing up? Why did Barbie (which had WAY more of that stuff than any Disney movie) do huge numbers? I don't think any of us are discounting it is there, and I doubt you'd get much argument that it's much louder than it used to be (heck I'd bet Walter and I are very much on your side of a lot of political stuff that we are not going to get into based on how he has posted in other topics). But I just can't get behind the idea that Disney has seen movies doing like half of normal is based on that. I do think people have had their trust in the brand eroded so that they will not blindly show up anymore. But I also think a large section of that is because of the stuff that is much more justifiable (bad movies/shows, perceived greediness, etc. Sorry, kind of lumping in their troubles at the parks as well). And I honestly think the price point at movies is a bigger thing than is made out to be as well. A lot of families can't afford to go to a movie each weekend. Or maybe not even once a month.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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LSLS said:
I'm just not sure I'm convinced it's THAT large a group that it would significantly show up in the box office. I mean, if it was, why is Inside Out 2 blowing up? Why did Barbie (which had WAY more of that stuff than any Disney movie) do huge numbers? I don't think any of us are discounting it is there, and I doubt you'd get much argument that it's much louder than it used to be (heck I'd bet Walter and I are very much on your side of a lot of political stuff that we are not going to get into based on how he has posted in other topics). But I just can't get behind the idea that Disney has seen movies doing like half of normal is based on that. I do think people have had their trust in the brand eroded so that they will not blindly show up anymore. But I also think a large section of that is because of the stuff that is much more justifiable (bad movies/shows, perceived greediness, etc. Sorry, kind of lumping in their troubles at the parks as well). And I honestly think the price point at movies is a bigger thing than is made out to be as well. A lot of families can't afford to go to a movie each weekend. Or maybe not even once a month.
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I think the D+ Pixar strategy also killed a large part of their reliable audience.

We saw this unwinding with Elemental. Once the word got out it was both good and I suspect staying in theatres for more than 30-45 day window. Particularly if a movie wasn’t deemed to be that great it was very easy to say meh I’ll see in on D+ for free (as opposed to purchase it for the the inflation adjusted 50 dollars last decade).

I’m pleased IO2 is proving that wasn’t permanent. If anything streaming should be able to further fortify their audience. They just haven’t quite figured it out yet.
 
MagicMouseFan

MagicMouseFan

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www.forbes.com

‘Inside Out 2’ Breaks Records With Staggering $155 Million Opening

The five best opening weekends of the year so far all belong to sequels.
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The weekend grossed 30% more than Father's Day weekend last year, when "The Flash" and "Elemental" both disappointed, according to THR.

The movie, a sequel to the 2015 film, grossed a massive $155 million domestically and grossed another $140 million overseas, the best-ever opening for an animated film in like markets, according to the Hollywood Reporter.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Disney Irish said:
Well maybe now that things are a bit more friendly on that front things will change for the better in the immediate term. Longer term, well we'll see.
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Honestly…that clown was just using them to drum up support and money in minutes 1-14…

And predictably…after the 15th minute expired it’s crickets

Wow…couldn’t see that coming
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
LSLS said:
And Barbie? And did Wish have that? I mean, Lightyear bombed long before people knew of that scene either. I just don't think it's making that large a difference. It is for some, but I am far from convinced that is the reason Disney had such an awful last year.
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There’s an element of that for sure…

But I’ll say it again: it’s just low quality stuff that’s falling flat

Nobody should claim…”lightyear was good…but the word was out so the fringe killed it”

No…it was plodding…and long…and tried to reframe an old characters backstory.

That’s 3 strikes. The fact that gets greenlight for hundreds of millions of dollars is just insane.
 
TalkingHead

TalkingHead

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If we’re going by what the outrage artists say:

Elemental had the headline about “first gender-fluid(?) Pixar character” even though it was barely noticeable, and to be fair the voice artist promoted it that way online.

Wish had a woman of color protag, white villain, misandrist, Marxist message, etc.

Little Mermaid, yeah, we know about that, and Soul had the issue with Tina Fey’s voice.

I suppose Inside Out has sidestepped any controversy wrt racism issues, sexuality, gender critique. Which is kinda funny since it’s the puberty movie, you’d think it has the best case for actually addressing one or more of those.
 
TalkingHead

TalkingHead

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If Moana 2 does similar numbers, I’m wondering if Lion King will suffer from coming at the end of the year after a string of family movie hits. Will families show up regardless or at what point will they become more selective with their money?
 
LSLS

LSLS

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
There’s an element of that for sure…

But I’ll say it again: it’s just low quality stuff that’s falling flat

Nobody should claim…”lightyear was good…but the word was out so the fringe killed it”

No…it was plodding…and long…and tried to reframe an old characters backstory.

That’s 3 strikes. The fact that gets greenlight for hundreds of millions of dollars is just insane.
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Yeah, I have no doubt there are people who will not go for that reason. But I don't think the failures last year were billion dollar movies in 2017 before all this stuff started. Like you said, they were not good/wanted movies. Add in you need to spend $100 to go see it, and this is where we are. I know personally I am SUPER selective on movies in theaters now strictly because of price. If I spent $20 before and the movie was awful, oh well. 5 times the price? I better be sure I want to see it and that we will all enjoy it.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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LSLS said:
And Barbie? And did Wish have that? I mean, Lightyear bombed long before people knew of that scene either. I just don't think it's making that large a difference. It is for some, but I am far from convinced that is the reason Disney had such an awful last year.
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Barbie wasn’t Disney. Disney is enemy number one in the entertainment industry because the overall goal of the hate network is seizing control of or coercing institutions involved in the education of young people. The motive is panic over a perceived inability to reproduce certain ideologies in the young.

Some major commentators did take a run at Barbie after it opened, but they hadn’t laid the necessary groundwork because of a focus on Disney and an inability to see what the film was going to be. After it became clear they weren’t going to be effective, they backed off. They need to maintain the illusion of strength at all costs.

Barbie is a great example of how little the assault has to do with the content of the film. I actually found Barbie speechy to a degree that damaged the narrative while the Disney films contained absolutely nothing “political.” That doesn’t really matter, however.

Your Lightyear timeline is way off. The assault on that film began well before its release. News of the same-sex couple leaked and the hate network launched a full court press. They had already begun an attack by that point because Tim Allen was replaced.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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LSLS said:
Yeah, I have no doubt there are people who will not go for that reason. But I don't think the failures last year were billion dollar movies in 2017 before all this stuff started. Like you said, they were not good/wanted movies. Add in you need to spend $100 to go see it, and this is where we are. I know personally I am SUPER selective on movies in theaters now strictly because of price. If I spent $20 before and the movie was awful, oh well. 5 times the price? I better be sure I want to see it and that we will all enjoy it.
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No one is denying that there were a great many factors contributing to the failure of Disney’s 2023 slate, factors that interacted in complicated ways. Perceived quality certainly played a part. The dispute is whether the hate network had a significant impact (not the MOST significant - let’s say top 5). I’d argue that it’s naive at best, disingenuous at worst to look at the last several years and claim it didn’t.
 

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