Alright, have a good night. We'll discuss other topics another time.
Let's try this. Do you think that Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes will likely reach 700 million globally?
Alright, have a good night. We'll discuss other topics another time.
If I'm being honest, no probably not. I think it'll probably do between $450M-$600M WW.Let's try this. Do you think that Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes will likely reach 700 million globally?
Everything is a competition with you… no matter what film people bring up you have to turn it around about how Disney is bad… some of us enjoy good films no matter the studio… no one ever claimed Spiderverse was a Disney movieYep. And was that by Disney animation? Nope. Another competitor. Sony.
That's fine. The discussion before was talking about the current trends and box office relevance. It's a box office thread after all. So it is rather appropriate discussion. More than coincidence when not one Disney animated film can do what the others are doing.Everything is a competition with you… no matter what film people bring up you have to turn it around about how Disney is bad… some of us enjoy good films no matter the studio… no one ever claimed Spiderverse was a Disney movie
Its all pretty rosy with those quadrupling their production budgets at the box office. not a single one of Disney's animated releases could do that. (And really, not just limited to animation. Plenty of their live actions could not either)
A solid definition of rosy is for most of a studio's releases do rake in four times the amount at the box office of what it cost. No matter what weird rule of thumb you would use.
When/If Inside out 2 or Moana can strike a quadruple the budget total. Then you can say Disney is getting back to rosy.
And let me guess GhostBusters has more relevance than Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes and Inside out despite both will more than likely gross more than Frozen EmpireThat's fine. The discussion before was talking about the current trends and box office relevance. It's a box office thread after all. So it is rather appropriate discussion. More than coincidence when not one Disney animated film can do what the others are doing.
So yes, a thread title that says Disney, and others at the box office will often have discussion based on competition in the industry.
Disney is not bad nor good. They are performing badly, as others perform better, at the box office.
And let me guess GhostBusters has more relevance than Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes and Inside out despite both will more than likely gross more than Frozen Empire
Illumination offshores its production, pays its animators less, uses accounting practices to shift studio costs out of the film budgets and spends the same marketing as Disney by and large (which is often poorly accounted for in these discussions).
Omen is not done just yet, so we'll have to see where it ends up.
The First Omen is the first new movie of 2024 from Walt Disney Studios family of studios, and it is not doing well at the box office and is heading towards being Disney's first box office money loser of '24.
It has weak legs globally, and is tracking towards a global box office loss of around $20 Million.
The First Omen: Production $30, Marketing $15, Domestic $9, Overseas $9 = $27 Million Loss Currently
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Are you under the impression that Disney as a studio in either animation or live action does none of this?
I am actually not much of a Dreamworks fan. The original Shrek and kind of Shrek 2 are the only Dreamworks films I thought were very good. Monsters Vs Aliens could have been more fun but is just odd. How To Train your Dragon is well made, but not my thing.
Movie making is a business and this is a box office discussion. I don't know if it is really obsessive as it is pertaining to the thread topic of show business.
If Disney's movies are not doing well, the parks are the first thing to get snipped and budget gutted. That is why I care more than anything else about what Disney is doing financially. I can go more into my personal tastes in film in a different thread, and critically/general public opinion, which they for sure are not really doing better than anyone else either. Which is a different discussion, but evident by box office results.
But Illumination was close to launching franchises closer to a billion dollars, their recent results across both studios (Mario excepted) have also been weaker. Despicable Me 4 and Inside Out 2 are going to be highly telling for both studios about if the Animated market is really back or just erratic.
The other comparator would be Warner Brothers claiming their DTC unit is profitable by burying their previously multi-billion dollar HBO linear unit completely under the hood. Max itself is likely still in a billion dollar a quarter hole. Sometimes when companies are participating in different accounting reporting it makes them seem better than they really are, which complicates this threads interpretation on financial performances greatly.
Why would we say it is erratic just because Disney's films are vastly underperforming?
Dreamworks films are also erratically underperforming. I think the problem is no one can accurately name the last 8 releases from memory. We just don't talk about Ruby Gilman, Spirit Untamed, The Bad Guys or Abominable.
Orion and the Dark I'd bet is the first time anyone is bringing up that film on this thread... though I'm sure we'd be all over a Pixar or WDAS direct to streamer. Instead that has quietly come and gone, despite being on the pre-eminent platform.
Throw in a lot of budget ROI massaging for diminishing franchises like Boss Baby, The Croods or The Trolls Franchise (which frankly was not a great showing for a third-quel, I don't know why we are pretending like it set the world on fire)...
Yes Last Wish and Kung Fu Panda 4 are doing well and deserve highlighting, but that's a pretty spotty positioning for not really a single massive hit. I worry that we are left with just returning to the aging Shrek and Kung Fu Panda franchises on the fumes that Dreamworks is running on.
Illumination is much more the American exception. It's only not as erratic because 40% of its films are from one franchise.
And here we are, we can say that most of Pixar's recent hits in the last ten years were sequels, and even a spin off, they could not get right. So I won't say I can see them as a higher standard right now.
Disney's fumes are live action remakes and sequels of Princess films that were meant to go to tv.
To your first bold. That is a big issue when you purchased acquisitions likes crazy. Not the same as The Happiest Millionaire and Shggy Dog sequels making some coin in the 60s or family comedies of the 90s being miss or mega hits.Disney Live Action is a hot mess express. Always has been. No argument from me!
Pixar in the last 10 years still has Inside Out, Coco, Turning Red, Luca and Elemental as legitimate franchises that it is or could be motivated to add to the parks. For an industry that is IP obsessed and kills originality, that's actually pretty good. Pixar is still a content engine, until they officially kill it.
Dreamworks has given us Trolls, maybe Boss Baby? Illumination - Sing and Secret life of Pets. Though all four have been diminishing returns.
I'm not purposefully trying to diminish Mario, that deal basically makes up for literally everything else for the sake of their theme parks.
The wife and I don't get to many movies lately but we really wanted to get out. She was not happy with my pick but went with it. She thought it was going to be some sort of a left vs right movie. I have always liked his sci fi stuff. We were both just blown away. What a great flick from so many angles. I hope it sees a large slate of awards. If more movies would take this neutral line so many would have so much less bad press from either side. You can make a movie without catering to the left or the right.I saw it yesterday and thought it was excellent.
Immaculate (which is a similar movie to First Omen) had a $9M budget, but didn't manage to do well before being pulled or maybe it was a limited run.
Neon stuff never seems to stick around that long (2-4 weeks before being cut substantially), so the 4-week run here was about the best possible outcome. It's already out on pVOD as of this week, which matches other recentish releases like Ferrari or Infinity Pool.
Interestingly, this should ultimately end up on Hulu alongside The First Omen yet again.
To your larger point, the horror audience continues to not really turn up in 2024. Maybe Abigail will be the one to light the screen on fire. It certainly looks like fun. ETA: Industry projections apparently put it at $12m-$15m for this weekend, which puts it... barely ahead of Night Swim. So, more of the same...
My only reason for doubting that for Immaculate is because Neon usually labels it as "Limited" if it is indeed a limited release, which they didn't do for Immaculate. So I'm thinking it was expected to have a longer run, but was pulled early when it didn't bring in more.Neon stuff never seems to stick around that long (2-4 weeks before being cut substantially), so the 4-week run here was about the best possible outcome. It's already out on pVOD as of this week, which matches other recentish releases like Ferrari or Infinity Pool.
Interestingly, this should ultimately end up on Hulu alongside The First Omen yet again.
To your larger point, the horror audience continues to not really turn up in 2024. Maybe Abigail will be the one to light the screen on fire. It certainly looks like fun. ETA: Industry projections apparently put it at $12m-$15m for this weekend, which puts it... barely ahead of Night Swim. So, more of the same...
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