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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disney Irish
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I saw it with Civil War, Mia Goth is certainly becoming a scream queen.
Yep. And was that by Disney animation? Nope. Another competitor. Sony.
BuddyThomas
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SO WHAT
Indeed!
Disney Irish
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Didn't say it was a Disney movie. But your claim was this about Panda 4 :
Which is not true, as another animated movie not name Mario by another studio that wasn't Illumination or Dreamworks was the highest grossing animated film just last year. Panda 4 won't even sniff anywhere close to what Spider-Verse did. I'm even questioning if Panda 4 will do better than Elemental, which got $495M.
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I certainly start to wonder if someone's eyes or sensabilities work when they say that Spiderverse also made 700 million, a quadruple of its production budget. A Sony Animated film.
And admitting Dreamworks and Illumination have had the highest profitable animation hits and higher numbers.
And somehow, the same person who said it is not rosy for anyone.
If Illumination, Dreamworks and Sony are all movie studios that have animated movies more than quadrupling their production cost in box office numbers....
I think it is not rosy for one major animation-based studio that had releases.
And admitting Dreamworks and Illumination have had the highest profitable animation hits and higher numbers.
And somehow, the same person who said it is not rosy for anyone.
If Illumination, Dreamworks and Sony are all movie studios that have animated movies more than quadrupling their production cost in box office numbers....
I think it is not rosy for one major animation-based studio that had releases.
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Disney Irish
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If you're going to start taking stabs at me at least be decent enough to quote me in it lol.
Dreamworks, Illumination, and Sony Animation has been killing it the last couple years. No one, certainly not me, has EVER claimed otherwise.
but you said it was not rosy for anyone.
So it has been rosy for Universal's animation.
Sony's animation has had success.
Its all pretty rosy with those quadrupling their production budgets at the box office. not a single one of Disney's animated releases could do that. (And really, not just limited to animation. Plenty of their live actions could not either)
A solid definition of rosy is for most of a studio's releases do rake in four times the amount at the box office of what it cost. No matter what weird rule of thumb you would use.
I try not to quote you much anymore because false info is bad enough when posted once.
When/If Inside out 2 or Moana can strike a quadruple the budget total. Then you can say Disney is getting back to rosy.
Disney Irish
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What I said was that when using inflation numbers things don't look as rosy. Meaning that one can start to see cracks in the numbers such as showing when a franchise starts to have fatigue, which was my whole point in this whole conversation we've been having.
No where did I clam that your beloved Uni wasn't having a good box office run as you make it seem.
Inflation does not change the math. The ratio of dollars of four times the production budget. Not many expect a fourth installment to be seen by more eyes in theaters than the third.
The point was not that Uni is doing great with animation, although they are. Kung Fu Panda is certainly wild that it is doing so well for a fourth installment of something that is not Shrek or How to Train Your Dragon for Dreamworks, and as old as it is as a franchise.
The point is. If you inflate all numbers. It is plenty rosy for many right now. They are making movies that are making monies and among the occasional flop venture, have far more hits and major hits.
Disney is struggling with all of their genres and mediums now.
The live action family film
The animated abstract
The animated princess musical
The Marvel character sequel
The horror legacy.
Even the re-release, another old standby for them.
I guess we can see what current sci fi does for them with Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.
Disney Irish
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I'm not inflating any numbers myself, this is how thing work. Everyone agrees to use inflation adjusted numbers when doing comparisons of movies from prior years. If you don't want to use those numbers, that is up to you. But the inflation adjusted numbers keeps everything honest.
And yes Panda 4 is doing good for a 4th installment in a franchise, never my point or in doubt. My whole point continues to be that it appears the franchise is losing its luster. And taking that to the next point, I don't know if a 5th one which is rumored will do as well as even the 4th. That is all I've been saying.
Also you know you don't have to keep bringing up how bad Disney has done recently as some defense. We all know what Disney has done recently. Keep it to the conversation we've been having without devolving back to "Disney bad".
You keep saying things like up to you. You can inflate them all. Or not inflate them all.
What is funny about inflation, is you also admit that 85 million does not go as far as it used to. So that means Universal made a widely successful animated film for theaters with less budget than it would traditionally have, as Disney's money spent on movies continues to skyrocket. Kung Fu Panda would have been a hit even if the thing cost 100 million plus. Yet they did not.
When we inflate all the numbers. Disney is doing just as bad. Universal and others are still doing bangers in a world where Disney is not. Which is the present.
Every new thing Disney comes out with is bad, so it is the recurring theme. The First Omen is just the most recent underperformer.
Maybe Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes will do 700 million globally? We will see.
Disney Irish
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Again never my point and you still don't have to devolve back to "Disney bad" for every rebuttal.
We'll see how Apes does. Omen is not done just yet, so we'll have to see where it ends up.
Neither is Kung Fu Panda.
I do when you depict "no one is rosy when we use inflation"
Disney is just sucking eggs worse with inflation.
It is funny that you say you don't even think Kung Fu Panda will past Elemental's total(it very likely will. It already surpassed it by far domestically as it keeps playing well)
But The First Omen underperforming is a let's wait, and see?
Disney Irish
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That is not what I said, so if you're going to quote me at least get it right.
Panda 4 may end up at ~$470M WW by the end of its run, which would be good.
Also no one claimed that Disney was any better when using inflation adjusted numbers. So again you don't have to devolve into this "Disney bad" defense.
No defense about it. It is fact.
470 million for a movie that cost 85 is fantastic. Not really just good. Particularly astounding for a fourth installment of a 16-year-old franchise that's previous films cost more to produce. Not a common thing. Dreamworks' restructuring is very unique.
Disney Irish
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How about just stop with the constant bringing up how bad Disney has done when discussing anything else. We know what Disney has done, no need to bring up again and again and again especially when we are discussing another movie. Just keep it to the discussion at hand. Thanks.
Yes it would be good. Or if it doesn't make another dime, it'll still be good. Nothing I said ever disputed that. It seems you took the "franchise fatigue" comment as a slight, which it wasn't.
How about just stop with the constant bringing up how bad Disney has done when discussing anything else. We know what Disney has done, no need to bring up again and again and again especially when we are discussing another movie. Just keep it to the discussion at hand. Thanks.
Yes it would be good. Or if it doesn't make another dime, it'll still be good. Nothing I said ever disputed that fact. It seems you took the "franchise fatigue" comment as a slight, which it wasn't.
The entire thread is Disney and others at the box office. That is part of the discussion, particularly when you compared it to Elemental.
So is this a do as I say not do as I do kind of thing?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Alright, have a good night. We'll discuss other topics another time.