Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[drizgirl]

Here in the UK, Disney will re-releases some of its animated feature films from August until October, all of these released in road to its 100th anniversary and the release of upcoming film Wish. However, there's a significant advantage for the UK re-release. They will re-release some of Walt-era animated films, not just films from Disney renaissance era like in the US. They also will release these films according to which year the film originally released, ranged from Snow White (1937) to Frozen (2013).

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That’s what I expect for a 100th anniversary. Boo to Disney for not giving us the same.

 

[TalkingHead]

Check the budget and marketing there pal. Budget of $340M, the highest budget film of the year, and marketing of well over $100M.

Can’t remember which trade it was, but one of them recently estimated the Indy 5 budget at $350-400m before marketing. So that would seem to be neck and neck and maybe even higher than Fast X.

 

[TalkingHead]

Warners, which is barely a studio

(until Barbie […maybe])

 

[TalkingHead]

Here in the UK, Disney will re-releases some of its animated feature films from August until October, all of these released in road to its 100th anniversary and the release of upcoming film Wish. However, there's a significant advantage for the UK re-release. They will re-release some of Walt-era animated films, not just films from Disney renaissance era like in the US. They also will release these films according to which year the film originally released, ranged from Snow White (1937) to Frozen (2013).

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Genuinely insane how this company runs its theatrical business. That’s a much more representative lineup for a 100th series. But there’s at least one title there that wouldn’t get a US wide release. So maybe they said anything pre-1993 was off the table for the States.

I do think they’ve totally thrown in the towel with the idea of event moviegoing that isn’t franchise-based. Nostalgia is a powerful drug but you have to get the user hooked first (which leads to park ticket sales, brand loyalty, etc).

 

[Disney Irish]

Can’t remember which trade it was, but one of them recently estimated the Indy 5 budget at $350-400m before marketing. So that would seem to be neck and neck and maybe even higher than Fast X.

I have never see that number used for Indy 5 in any trade for just budget, its always the $295M number. So I'd be very curious to see what trade said that or if you were perhaps mistaken and it used that number for budget+marketing.

 

[TalkingHead]

As ‘Insidious’ Flicks Away ‘Indiana Jones’ at #1, Disney’s Very Expensive Franchise Faces a Massive Loss

Sony's "Insidious" opens to $32.6 million, "Indiana Jones: The Dial of Destiny" drops 56 percent, and "Sound of Freedom" has grossed $40 million.

www.indiewire.com

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Indiewire, not one of the trades but also not a tabloid. Basic point is Indy 5 and Fast X are in the same upper echelon of budgets. And Mission: Impossible, too. That’s three separate studios. Flash was WB. So looks like Sony is the only studio that hasn’t had a disastrous or semi-disastrous underperforming tentpole?

 

[Disney Irish]

Indiewire, not one of the trades but also not a tabloid. Basic point is Indy 5 and Fast X are in the same upper echelon of budgets. And Mission: Impossible, too. That’s three separate studios. Flash was WB. So looks like Sony is the only studio that hasn’t had a disastrous or semi-disastrous underperforming tentpole?

They are the only outlet that is reporting that $350M-$400M number while everyone else is reporting $295M. Not saying they are "wrong" but I wouldn't say they are "right" either. But if they are the outlier in the reported numbers, then one has to question why they are so far off everyone else, giving pause to how believable it really is. Which is why when talking budgets in these conversations one should use the reported consensus, which in this case is $295M for Indy5 and $340M for Fast X, still putting Fast X as the highest budget film of the year, which was my point.

 

[TalkingHead]

They are the only outlet that is reporting that $350M-$400M number while everyone else is reporting $295M. Not saying they are "wrong" but I wouldn't say they are "right" either. But if they are the outlier in the reported numbers, then one has to question why they are so far off everyone else, giving pause to how believable it really is. Which is why when talking budgets in these conversations one should use the reported consensus, which in this case is $295M for Indy5 and $340M for Fast X, still putting Fast X as the highest budget film of the year, which was my point.

Budget for Dr Strange sequel was just revealed to be $100m more than “reported consensus.”

Point is you can’t say for a fact that Fast X cost more than Indy 5.

Deadline from last week:

 

[Disney Irish]

Budget for Dr Strange sequel was just revealed to be $100m more than “reported consensus.”

Point is you can’t say for a fact that Fast X cost more than Indy 5.

Deadline from last week:
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Not sure why it makes that much difference to you that Indy 5 has to be a higher budget than Fast X. But Fast X could end up having "revised" budget being over $100M more also. So you're not making the point you think you are here.

Also note the last line, "I'm getting some pushback", meaning that the key source's data is being disputed. Also note they don't mention the $350M-$400M that Indiewire states, showing the Fast X is still higher even with this "update" you found. So again you're not making the point you think you are.

Budget discussions always takes the consensus, that is how box office profitability discussions work. And this is because you'll never get the "real" number in most cases.

 

[Tha Realest]

Budget for Dr Strange sequel was just revealed to be $100m more than “reported consensus.”

Point is you can’t say for a fact that Fast X cost more than Indy 5.

Deadline from last week:
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They’ve also greenlit the Fast X sequel and a Hobbs spinoff film.

When’s the next Indiana Jones film coming, with or without Ford or the goddaughter character?

 

[Dranth]

They’ve also greenlit the Fast X sequel and a Hobbs spinoff film.

Guess Universal likes losing money at the box office also.

When’s the next Indiana Jones film coming, with or without Ford or the goddaughter character?

It should have been left at three so hopefully never. It's okay to let a franchise go and I personally hope more studios start doing that instead of running them into the ground.

 

[TP2000]

Here in the UK, Disney will re-releases some of its animated feature films from August until October, all of these released in road to its 100th anniversary and the release of upcoming film Wish. However, there's a significant advantage for the UK re-release. They will re-release some of Walt-era animated films, not just films from Disney renaissance era like in the US. They also will release these films according to which year the film originally released, ranged from Snow White (1937) to Frozen (2013).

Holy cow, that's incredible. I would love to see Snow White, Peter Pan and/or 101 Dalmatians all on the big screen in a swanky theater, like God and Walt intended. Suddenly I'm pondering britishairways.com...

A classic Walt era movie paired with a visit to the Churchill War Rooms and a look at Big Ben's recent refurbishment and original paint scheme? Throw in a classic Sunday roast dinner and a few English full breakfasts? Very, very tempting.

That’s what I expect for a 100th anniversary. Boo to Disney for not giving us the same.

No kidding. How on earth did the UK pull that off? And who the heck is in charge of Disney100 marketing for the USA, because the options here seem limited to $40 popcorn buckets and banners hung along the Disneyland parking lot tram route.

 

[TalkingHead]

Not sure why it makes that much difference to you that Indy 5 has to be a higher budget than Fast X. But Fast X could end up having "revised" budget being over $100M more also. So you're not making the point you think you are here.

Also note the last line, "I'm getting some pushback", meaning that the key source's data is being disputed. Also note they don't mention the $350M-$400M that Indiewire states, showing the Fast X is still higher even with this "update" you found. So again you're not making the point you think you are.

Budget discussions always takes the consensus, that is how box office profitability discussions work. And this is because you'll never get the "real" number in most cases.

Lol. Please reread your posts. The point *you* keep going on about is Fast X having the highest budget of the summer. Why’s it matter? Uni and Dis both took hits with these movies, although it would appear judging by the reported numbers that Indy 5 did worse overall.

 

[TP2000]

In honor of Disneyland's 68th birthday today , and as its a Monday and this weekend's box office tallies are now in , let's do a Mid Summer Check Up on how the box office is going thus far for the four summer tentpole movies from The Walt Disney Company.

So, how's the box office?

One Word Answer: Crummy

Short Answer: Disney is currently $415 Million in the hole from their four summer movies. Will Haunted Mansion save them?

Cocktail Napkin N' Golf Pencil Math Answer: Using the 60/40 take for domestic/overseas box office, and laughably assuming that Disney only spent $100 Million on marketing per film (they spent more, but let's just pretend they're frugal and wise) Lucasfilm has lost $250 Million on Indy 5, Pixar has lost $149 Million on Elemental, Walt Disney Pictures has lost $73 Million on Mermaid, and Marvel has made $57 Million on Guardians 3.

Next up to the starting lines; Haunted Mansion later this month, Wish and The Marvels in November, then Snow White & The 7 Magical Creatures and Elio next March.

Movie Comparison: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023) vs. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (2023) vs. The Little Mermaid (2023) vs. Elemental (2023)

Domestic box office comparison between Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023) and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (2023) and The Little Mermaid (2023) and Elemental (2023)

www.the-numbers.com

 

[Disney Irish]

Lol. Please reread your posts. The point *you* keep going on about is Fast X having the highest budget of the summer. Why’s it matter? Uni and Dis both took hits with these movies, although it would appear judging by the reported numbers that Indy 5 did worse overall.

I agree that both have very high budgets that result in them both losing money, and yes Indy5 will likely lose more money than Fast X (not the point). My point originally, and still remains the same, that while Disney has quite a few losers this year, they aren't the only ones having budget and box office issues, its affecting almost all studios (with Sony maybe being the only one not affected but budgets, but still affected by box office). Fast X was the example (plus others) of how Uni was also having a budget and box office issues. Using the budget consensus Fast X has a higher budget (the highest of the year) than Indy 5, that is still true now even with the "update" you found from Deadline. As for why it matters, its provides context, as it shows that Disney isn't the only one having issues at the box office or very high budgets as some want to make the claim. As I've said now a bunch of times, no studio is doing it right, all are having their issues as the whole industry in changing.

 

[Willmark]

I agree that both have very high budgets that result in them both losing money, and yes Indy5 will likely lose more money than Fast X (not the point). My point originally, and still remains the same, that while Disney has quite a few losers this year, they aren't the only ones having budget and box office issues, its affecting almost all studios (with Sony maybe being the only one not affected but budgets, but still affected by box office). Fast X was the example (plus others) of how Uni was also having a budget and box office issues. Using the budget consensus Fast X has a higher budget (the highest of the year) than Indy 5, that is still true now even with the "update" you found from Deadline. As for why it matters, its provides context, as it shows that Disney isn't the only one having issues at the box office or very high budgets as some want to make the claim. As I've said now a bunch of times, no studio is doing it right, all are having their issues as the whole industry in changing.

I may be mistaken but I don’t think anyone has said that studios aren’t having issues (may have missed it.) Rather that Disney has its own set of issues independent of what all studios are facing.

I think that is where the disconnect lies (if there is one.)

 

[Disney Irish]

I may be mistaken but I don’t think anyone has said that studios aren’t having issues (may have missed it.) Rather that Disney has its own set of issues independent of what all studios are facing.

I think that is where the disconnect lies (if there is one.)

You have some that are trying to frame this as only a Disney problem and point to the few films that have done well this year such as Mario. When called out with examples that its pretty much all studios having the same issues the argument gets changed to "Well Disney is having more of a problem than other studios", which is also not true as just look at WBD right now. Not to mention that Disney is actually leading the pack in terms of box office take.

Disney has had a rough time at the box office this year, no doubt about it, but its not happening in a vacuum. The whole point is the whole industry is changing and its affecting all studios not just Disney.

 

[TsWade2]

I’m sorry, but this thread is getting depressing. But I guess it’s just me.

 

[BuddyThomas]

In honor of Disneyland's 68th birthday today , and as its a Monday and this weekend's box office tallies are now in , let's do a Mid Summer Check Up on how the box office is going thus far for the four summer tentpole movies from The Walt Disney Company.

So, how's the box office?

One Word Answer: Crummy

Short Answer: Disney is currently $415 Million in the hole from their four summer movies. Will Haunted Mansion save them?

Cocktail Napkin N' Golf Pencil Math Answer: Using the 60/40 take for domestic/overseas box office, and laughably assuming that Disney only spent $100 Million on marketing per film (they spent more, but let's just pretend they're frugal and wise) Lucasfilm has lost $250 Million on Indy 5, Pixar has lost $149 Million on Elemental, Walt Disney Pictures has lost $73 Million on Mermaid, and Marvel has made $57 Million on Guardians 3.

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Next up to the starting lines; Haunted Mansion later this month, Wish and The Marvels in November, then Snow White & The 7 Magical Creatures and Elio next March.

Movie Comparison: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023) vs. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (2023) vs. The Little Mermaid (2023) vs. Elemental (2023)

Domestic box office comparison between Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023) and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (2023) and The Little Mermaid (2023) and Elemental (2023)

www.the-numbers.com

Good lord. How many times must we see the same thing posted?

 

[Jedijax719]

I have to be honest. There's pretty much not a single movie that has been scheduled by Disney (or any studio) that I am really that interested in for the foreseeable future. We had been anticipating TLM since my daughter was about 5 or 6 and really getting into Disney and especially since 2018 when we went to WDW. And during that time I have personally been deep into the MCU and have always been a SW fan.

Now, there's no remake I care about and really think they need to end. The MCU has died off and the only 2 MCU movies I've liked since Endgame were Shang Chi and BPWF. I am not holding my breath about any of the "announced" SW movies because so many have been outright cancelled. I really want to see a Jedi origin story but I will believe it when I see it. Avatar is pretty but, to be honest, WOW is the last one I will see in the theater because I just don't want to use my time for that. It is the kind of movie I will put on D+ to watch the cool looking water scenes but NOT watch any of the boring plot. The only screen-based entertainment I am personally looking forward to is the final season of Strange Things and MAYBE the Harry Potter tv show IF they do something with it that makes it stand out from the movies (more back story perhaps?).

I loved the first, third, and fourth Avengers movies but really don't have any true interest in the next two. As for the Hollywood strike, I hope that the lesser paid people trying to make ends meat in the field they love get something, but the strike isn't really coming at a time when there is a massive demand for major projects on the horizon, at least for the theaters. It will be interesting to see where all this goes.