And also realize that what “sucks”for one person might be “good” for another and vice versaIndeed…this if very true.
And back to movies:
Some are good and some just empirically suck.
-
The new WDWMAGIC iOS app is here!
Stay up to date with the latest Disney news, photos, and discussions right from your iPhone. The app is free to download and gives you quick access to news articles, forums, photo galleries, park hours, weather and Lightning Lane pricing. Learn More -
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
- Thread starter Disney Analyst
- Start date
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
The Fast and Furious franchise is a great example of this, these movies suck so bad (to me) I’ve never been able to finish one of them, I think even the ride at Uni sucks, yet they’ve made over $7 Billion… apparently a boatload of people disagree with my opinion of what sucks.
DisneyWarrior27
Well-Known Member
Don’t be so sure Brave New World legs out well.
Usually when comic book movies have a CinemaScore of a B or lower, they tend to drop 65-75% in weekend 2.
So we need to keep an eye out for that.
Usually when comic book movies have a CinemaScore of a B or lower, they tend to drop 65-75% in weekend 2.
So we need to keep an eye out for that.
brideck
Well-Known Member
I was totally in that boat until we decided to sit down and watch them all before... F9(?) came out. Remember that I'm the art-house guy who watches all the Oscar movies, and I think F&F are a hilarious good time with a lot of heart and absolutely ridiculous action set pieces. I'd be a moron if I took my same critical analysis to these that I do to most other movies because that's not what they're asking me to do. The plots never hint at any larger significance, there's not much in the way of subtext, they're just fun.
[I will freely admit that the first few street racing-focused movies are not as much fun. The series really hits its stride with the 4th & 5th installments, where the cast really starts to balloon, and the action gets outlandish.]
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…I’m pretty sure they suck.
Saw the first one at pleasure island and spilled out laughing…
But there are anomalies…sometimes “suck” hits the right nerve
For instance: the two greatest movies ever are The Delta Force and Roadhouse…
And I’ll be outside to have words with anyone who says otherwise
brideck
Well-Known Member
So... you've seen the first one (which I lumped into the part of the franchise that's not as fun) and what... you think the other ten movies in the franchise are exactly the same and/or the same quality? I mean, if you like Road House methinks you're missing out here.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
The weird thing is I usually love this type of “grab some popcorn, turn your brain off, and just enjoy the ride” movie… the Jurassic Park movies (after the amazing original) have all been fairly bad but I love them, same with the first several Transformers movies, they aren’t good but they are super fun.
For whatever reason I’ve just never found the FF series fun, I’ve seen bits and pieces of most of them on TV, streaming, airplanes, etc but never seem to make it beyond 10-20 minutes before I’m bored and looking for something else to watch, just not my cup of tea.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
All of this is a bit tongue in cheek…
It’s not for me. Doesn’t mean it can’t strike a nerve for the public
Cars and really bad false bravado/diss dialogue. I’m just not in the demo.
But they aren’t “quality cinema” by anyone’s account. Popcorn? Sure. And we all gobble popcorn at times
I tend to default to judging movies by the results. It’s the only way to keep a consistent ratings scale.
People obviously wanted that…they obviously reject many others.
I am with you on F&F
Another one is Transformers…I saw the first one which was rough to get through….I am all for popcorn escapism but I just did not connect to any of the characters and the action just looked like a bunch of nonsense to me… when people who even loved the first did not like the sequels… I knew I was done with the franchise
On the other side of the coin… I know it’s stupid and outlandish…. But I had fun with Argylle despite it being among the worst of the year for most
brideck
Well-Known Member
I think I've only seen the first Transformers and yeah... they are aggressively ugly movies to me, and I really dislike Michael Bay's sensibilities in general. The Bad Boys movies (of which I've seen the first 3) are all completely terrible from a craft perspective, too.
I think we both talked about Argylle being a lot of fun when it came out last year. F&F movies are definitely in the same category as that for me -- at least from Fast Five on.
brideck
Well-Known Member
Then you're not really judging movies at all, are you? You're literally letting the accumulation of everyone else do the judging for you.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Disco is not dead. It lives on in my personal music collectionFunk and Soul also.
In my community, Disco never died. But just to clarify, on Saturday afternoons I used to half-watch American Bandstand but then immediately after I would watch intently Soul Train. (That was the Seattle timetable for Saturdays, AB at Noon and then Soul Train at 1pm, I assume it was the same nationwide?) Soul Train is where I would see, and then practice, the new steps and moves that were most important.
Imagine that, a Swedish gay man in Seattle replicating (not half badly) the moves seen earlier that day on Soul Train.
There's a reason my dance card was full during the Ford and Carter years. And it wasn't just because of my looks.
I'm pretty sure Norwegians invented it. And it may be why Stockholm eventually agreed to let Norway formally separate from the union.
But my Swedish grandparents made Lutefisk semi-regularly. And it was definitely a staple in the church basement after the service at our big Lutheran church in downtown Seattle circa 1967. Sitting in giant chafing dishes, heated by blue flame pots of some mystery chemical. I actually didn't mind it as a kid, but when I tried it as an adult it was awful. What were we thinking?
There seems to be a theme here. I grew up in a Scandinavian community in Seattle, @Minnesota disney fan is obviously from Minnesota, and you grew up in North Dakota. We're all from solid, northern stock; likely Scandinavians and Germanic tribes now wrapped in the red, white and blue. And even though we were alive during the dark ages of the 1960's and 70's, we experienced loving and polite communities who weren't out tearing people down for being a tad different.
Our latter 20th Century life experiences might have been different had we been in the big cities of the East Coast at that time, majority Italian and Irish Catholics, or in the Deep South as they struggled with racial civil rights issues.
As I said earlier, I'm very thankful for having the youth and experiences I had. I'm forever grateful to God that he graced me the honor of being born an American. And I wouldn't trade my younger years for anything, even if Steve "the family man" got the promotion before me (which was wrong, but par for the course back then, and I've moved on).
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Unfortunately its a common trend for many around here.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well I’m not a movie critic…
and this is a Disney board. So from that perspective…what matters? Really only the money generated and cross promoting potential that it creates. Bottomline.
But no…I don’t have some lame podcast or vlog…like half the frequenters here…which is quite sad actually. So my opinions are in the tiny little empty space between my ears
So if the idea is discussion/comparison…there should be a scoreboard of sorts. At least for me.
Tony the Tigger
Well-Known Member
I caught a few minutes of F+F Tokyo Drift when I turned on the TV in a hotel room, and that’s all I ever need to see. Brian and I still make fun of it. It reminded me of spinning my Big Wheel in the 70’s.
There’s a difference between what I call a rollercoaster movie (like Jurassic or Cap) where you’re going for a fun ride, but don’t expect it to be life-changing, vs. something just dumb as a box of rocks.
I am not a bro. I do not have to spend my life desperately evaluating or proving my level of masculinity. The idea that it’s tied to getting my car to swerve or whatever is just hilarious. Maybe that’s part of the problem here - too many people still self-evaluate via status symbols. That’s where genuine masculinity crosses over into toxic masculinity for me, and I can’t do anything but ridicule it. If I don’t prize what the movie is chasing for 2 hours, or relate in any way, why would I be entertained?
Re: Transformers: I just never bothered, as I recall. I may have been bored with the first one, not sure. I think Shia LaBeouf was in it, unless I’m thinking of something else.
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
Spoiler: they’re not
brideck
Well-Known Member
Explosions that look like fireworks warehouses exploding? Passing up-tilted cameras between the legs of women in skirts? Boring and trite action pacing and set pieces? Bay's movie-making vocabulary is like three words long.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
I’m torn on this, overall I agree but sometimes the little jabs are hilarious and they’re part of what make the forums so fun, other times they spark more discussion. Less is probably better but I’d hate to see the snark leave completely, it would be a boring place if we took it too seriously.
Totally agree with this, ironically it’s also why I like Michael Bays movies so much, he’s all about action and spectacle, the perfect popcorn flick director, I’m glad he doesn’t stick to realism because what he does is big, mindless, and fun.