Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[AdventureHasAName]

I agree, she's not stupid. But she is very stubborn and has a, I know I'm right complex and I'm going to prove I'm right no matter the outcome. The big issue with Iger, is he let all this drag on. Kennedy should have been given her "We thank Kathy for all her hard work and dedication. And we wish her all the best in her future endeavors." Speech after rise of Skywalker. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if she gets another extension. The two of them are equally at fault in my opinion. And now it seems with this wack a doodle approach to the films, Disney and Kennedy have separate agendas for the direction they go.

Nerdy men are icky. She wanted a whole new non-nerdy men fanbase. So she hired a bunch of people that wanted the same thing and set out on a quest to destroy the things in Star Wars that nerdy men liked best. Priority #1 was wrecking Luke Skywalker's story.

 

[DKampy]

Black Widow didn't feel like a Lifetime movie. The Hawkeye TV show didn't feel like something you'd see on the Hallmark channel (despite being a Christmas show). WandaVision didn't either. It's not the genitals of the main characters that made The Marvels a bad film.

What did you think of The Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special which was done in the style of Hallmark Christmas movie on purpose

 

[AdventureHasAName]

What did you think of The Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special which was done in the style of Hallmark Christmas movie on purpose

It was great. But I didn't associate it with a Hallmark Christmas film at all. The animated parts were clearly a takeoff on the Rankin/Bass Christmas cartoons from the 1960s and 70s. And the live action portions on Earth reminded me of the film Elf. And obviously, the whole thing was alluding to the Star Wars Christmas Special.

 

[Prince-1]

Hallmark.

Nah. MTV.

Definitely The Real World.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Nerdy men are icky. She wanted a whole new non-nerdy men fanbase. So she hired a bunch of people that wanted the same thing and set out on a quest to destroy the things in Star Wars that nerdy men liked best. Priority #1 was wrecking Luke Skywalker's story.

Good Lord.

Luke’s story was never wrecked except to extra fragile man babies.

It’s not a bedtime story. It’s Star Wars. And it made sense.

I love Star Wars more than Disney, never found the storyline offensive because life isn’t always a wish.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Black Widow didn't feel like a Lifetime movie. The Hawkeye TV show didn't feel like something you'd see on the Hallmark channel (despite being a Christmas show). WandaVision didn't either. It's not the genitals of the main characters that made The Marvels a bad film.

Was it too much fun?

That's not how I would have described it.

So women are fine as long as they act more like traditional male characters and don’t reveal a feminine side (unless, of course, they are hot for some guy.)

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Looks like the re-release of Turning Red won't do much better than Soul.

Dune was re-released this weekend too, and is faring better, but that's not surprising since it's a movie that more obviously benefits from being seen on a big screen and is topical with the sequel coming out in a few weeks.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

So women are fine as long as they act more like traditional male characters and don’t reveal a feminine side (unless, of course, they are hot for some guy.)

Just the opposite ... generally, when a woman in a film or tv show behaves like a traditional male character, it comes off as inauthentic to the detriment of the film.

You believe Wanda wasn't showing a "feminine" side in WandaVision? She literally spent every episode emulating the stereotypical feminine Wife and Mom role from the most popular television sitcoms decade-by-decade.

Kate Bishop (in Hawkeye) doesn't act like a traditional male character at all - she's pretty stereotypically "teenage girl" the entire series.

Neither one of those series were anything like a Hallmark Channel film.

On the other hand, Jen Walters (She-Hulk) is also a fairly stereotypical female role (super competent, constantly stressed, can't relax, underappreciated and underestimated corporate woman) and that series very much felt a Lifetime movie.

All of that said, I found nothing in The Marvels to be fun. It was not a fun movie watching experience; it was a chore.

 

[brideck]

Looks like the re-release of Turning Red won't do much better than Soul.

It definitely didn't get the marketing muscle or screen count it would need to make an impact at the box office. It's running at about 1/3 of a regular new release's screenings around me.

In other news from Friday's estimates, Poor Things has more or less closed the gap with The Favourite's domestic box office.

 

[Disney Irish]

Looks like the re-release of Turning Red won't do much better than Soul.

Dune was re-released this weekend too, and is faring better, but that's not surprising since it's a movie that more obviously benefits from being seen on a big screen and is topical with the sequel coming out in a few weeks.

I don’t think either of these were meant to blow the doors off the box office.

 

[DKampy]

Just the opposite ... generally, when a woman in a film or tv show behaves like a traditional male character, it comes off as inauthentic to the detriment of the film.

You believe Wanda wasn't showing a "feminine" side in WandaVision? She literally spent every episode emulating the stereotypical feminine Wife and Mom role from the most popular television sitcoms decade-by-decade.

Kate Bishop (in Hawkeye) doesn't act like a traditional male character at all - she's pretty stereotypically "teenage girl" the entire series.

Neither one of those series were anything like a Hallmark Channel film.

On the other hand, Jen Walters (She-Hulk) is also a fairly stereotypical female role (super competent, constantly stressed, can't relax, underappreciated and underestimated corporate woman) and that series very much felt a Lifetime movie.

All of that said, I found nothing in The Marvels to be fun. It was not a fun movie watching experience; it was a chore.

You know there are many different types of women… just as there are men… I am not the traditional stereotypical male… I don’t care about sports ball, I don’t spend time in the shed playing with my tools, all I care about cars is that it gets me from point A to point B… we need to get away from stereotypes… People are all unique from each other…so can characters in movies

 

[Tony the Tigger]

She literally spent every episode emulating the stereotypical feminine Wife and Mom role from the most popular television sitcoms

Ohhh. So *that’s* OK. I see.

Jen Walters (She-Hulk) is also a fairly stereotypical female role (super competent, constantly stressed, can't relax, underappreciated and underestimated corporate woman)

Ohhh. But *that’s* like a Lifetime movie.

That clears things up.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

we need to get away from stereotype

Why?

First of all you can't. Stereotypes are just recognized patterns in groups of people. They have always existed; they exist now; and they will always exist. They may change, but they will always exist in some form.

But if even if you could eliminate them, why would we "need" to do so?

People are all unique from each other…so can characters in movies

Just because a person is unique, that does not mean they are interesting or entertaining. The movie business is the entertainment business and it requires characters whom a large portion of the viewing public finds interesting doing things a large portion of the viewing public finds entertaining in order to thrive.

 

[DKampy]

Just because a person is unique, that does not mean they are interesting or entertaining. The movie business is the entertainment business and it requires characters whom a large portion of the viewing public finds interest doing things a large portion of the viewing public finds entertaining in order to thrive.

If you want to be narrow minded and only want to see the same stereotypes portrayed over and over again.. fine… people can like what they want… as for me I enjoy different stories portrayed by characters with different unique qualities from each other… it makes stories so much deeper and rewarding

 

[TP2000]

Box Office is finalized for Super Bowl Weekend. As per usual, this big holiday weekend was slow at the movie theaters. But there's a few things of note for Disney movies...

Namely, why on earth did Turning Red get 1,560 theaters??? It has almost no demand for it, and Poor Things lost 660 theaters this weekend. Did Poor Things have to give up those theaters so Pixar could put on their bizarre little public outreach process for these three movies that are already on Disney+ for free? A bizarre business decision, to be sure.

And then down to 17th place for Turning Red, and the other Searchlight movie...

With Wish in 33rd place, still hanging on to 105 theaters and still making more per theater than Turning Red...

Re-Release of Pixar’s ‘Turning Red’ Bombs at the Box-Office, $500k Weekend — World of Reel

There is no point in re-releasing a 2-year-old animated movie that can conveniently be streamed at the comfort of your own home. Disney is quickly finding that out.

www.worldofreel.com

The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for August 2, 2024

Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of August 2, 2024

www.the-numbers.com

 

[TP2000]

One other thing that stood out from this weekend's box office is the legs and staying power that both Migration and Wonka have. There's clearly a market and audience for family movies, but Turning Red was ignored by that audience.

What I find even more surprising is that Migration hasn't opened in Japan yet, but is likely to beat Wish at the global box office. That's stunning. Especially considering the importance and money and marketing that Disney put behind Wish as their big 100th Anniversary Movie! And Migration seems like just a low budget, throwaway animated movie for kiddies on Christmas break.

Box Office as of yesterday, with Migration still not open in Japan and/or just opened this weekend in other foreign lands, and Wish still in 105 theaters in the USA.

Wish: Production $200, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $38, Foreign B.O. Take $71 = $191 Million Loss
Migration: Production $72, Marketing $36, Domestic B.O. Take $66, Foreign B.O. Take $50 = $8 Million Profit

 

[HauntedPirate]

Box Office is finalized for Super Bowl Weekend. As per usual, this big holiday weekend was slow at the movie theaters. But there's a few things of note for Disney movies...

Namely, why on earth did Turning Red get 1,560 theaters??? It has almost no demand for it, and Poor Things lost 660 theaters this weekend. Did Poor Things have to give up those theaters so Pixar could put on their bizarre little public outreach process for these three movies that are already on Disney+ for free? A bizarre business decision, to be sure.

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And then down to 17th place for Turning Red, and the other Searchlight movie...

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With Wish in 33rd place, still hanging on to 105 theaters and still making more per theater than Turning Red...

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Re-Release of Pixar’s ‘Turning Red’ Bombs at the Box-Office, $500k Weekend — World of Reel

There is no point in re-releasing a 2-year-old animated movie that can conveniently be streamed at the comfort of your own home. Disney is quickly finding that out.

www.worldofreel.com

The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for August 2, 2024

Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of August 2, 2024

www.the-numbers.com

'Turning Red' grossed $20 million during it's original box office run. Well, now 'Turning Red' has grossed $20,578,047 at the box office. See what a difference that made??

There's no market for that dreadful movie, but someone at Disney refuses to believe or acknowledge that truth.

 

[TP2000]

'Turning Red' grossed $20 million during it's original box office run. Well, now 'Turning Red' has grossed $20,578,047 at the box office. See what a difference that made??

There's no market for that dreadful movie, but someone at Disney refuses to believe or acknowledge that truth.

Looking at the numbers, I hadn't realized Turning Red was released overseas in 2022. And assuming Disney gets a 50% take of DVD sales, it's not hard to figure out how much they've lost so far on this movie. In its defense, that was a boneheaded and shortsighted move on Charmless Chapek's part to send all these 2021-2022 movies to Disney+ for free; that's a failed strategy that Disney may never fully recover from.

Turning Red: Production $175, Marketing $0, USA B.O. $300,000, Overseas B.O. $5 Million, DVD $1 Million = $168 Million Loss

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Why are you all so obsessed with Turning Red and its box office performance???

 

[HauntedPirate]

Why are you all so obsessed with Turning Red and its box office performance???

Maybe it's morbid curiosity about a terrible movie that (rightfully) bombed and has been available on Disney+ since it was released under $lappie but now has popped back into theaters, taking screens from other movies for no apparent reason? What's next, a re-re-release of The Phantom Menace??? Oh wait...