Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

TP2000

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As we approach the end of 2023, Disney has confirmed only seven movies for 2024The First Omen, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, Inside Out 2, Deadpool 3, Alien: Romulus, The Amateur, and Mufasa: The Lion King.

I have no desire to see any of these movies. Six sequels to franchises I really don't care about.

I'm confused because last night YouTube played a commercial for a movie called Madame Web "coming to theaters", a young lady superhero of some sort and it looked kind of dumb, and it clearly had the MARVEL branding on it. How does that work?
 

Disney Irish

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I'm confused because last night YouTube played a commercial for a movie called Madame Web "coming to theaters", a young lady superhero of some sort and it looked kind of dumb, and it clearly had the MARVEL branding on it. How does that work?
Its made by Sony as they hold the film rights to the Spider-Man family of characters under a complex deal that Marvel made long before Disney bought them. So its not a Disney movie, and only tangentially tied to Marvel.
 

Disney Irish

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Haven’t they already announced the next Rey movie?
Yes, and the Mando/Grogu movie, and the Filoni "Heir to the Empire" movie.

Sounds like the intention is to give us more of the same and hope for different results. Diminishing returns seems to be the future for Star Wars until they replace those in charge.
Not sure about that, but we'll see.
 

Disney Irish

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That's kind of the problem with star wars in my opinion. They've had a lot of time to figure it out, yet it keeps changing and they have no clear plan.
Well my hope is that with Filoni leading the creative side of Lucas now that there is a plan. But I guess we'll see. I know many don't have faith, but I'm still trying to keep some.
 

brideck

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Its made by Sony as they hold the film rights to the Spider-Man family of characters under a complex deal that Marvel made long before Disney bought them. So its not a Disney movie, and only tangentially tied to Marvel.

Right. Think Venom, Kraven the Hunter, and the greatest movie of all-time, Morbius. That's the last still-existing movie/TV deal around Marvel properties, right?
 

Disney Irish

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Right. Think Venom, Kraven the Hunter, and the greatest movie of all-time, Morbius. That's the last still-existing movie/TV deal around Marvel properties, right?
Well there is still some question on whether the deal with Uni for the Hulk is still in place or not. But other than that once Disney bought 21st Century the only remaining deal is with Sony, everything else is under Disney.
 

brideck

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Box Office is out for Thursday, February 1st, previewing how things look to pan out for this weekend! Disney has one film in the Top Ten with Poor Things, and then Wish still hanging on to some theaters down in 30th place.

All of Us Strangers is also still on there around #20, although it's about to get an anti-Oscars bump by being largely ejected from theaters this weekend, despite maintaining solid per theater numbers for the entirety of its run.
 

DKampy

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All of Us Strangers is also still on there around #20, although it's about to get an anti-Oscars bump by being largely ejected from theaters this weekend, despite maintaining solid per theater numbers for the entirety of its run.
Which is a shame because I think it could be leaving money on the table… All of us Strangers is getting a ton of accidental promotion with all the snubs talk
 

erasure fan1

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Well my hope is that with Filoni leading the creative side of Lucas now that there is a plan. But I guess we'll see. I know many don't have faith, but I'm still trying to keep some.
I want to be positive as well. My issue is that I don't consider what they have announced, an actual plan. It feels like a throw some ideas against the wall and see what sticks tactic. If they had said, the next saga in the star wars universe will take place during the dawn of the Jedi. And that will lead us into the fantastic knights of the old republic. That's a plan. Not announce 3 films that are completely separate. Then announce a 4th that might somehow be related to the Ashoka film.
 

Disney Irish

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I want to be positive as well. My issue is that I don't consider what they have announced, an actual plan. It feels like a throw some ideas against the wall and see what sticks tactic. If they had said, the next saga in the star wars universe will take place during the dawn of the Jedi. And that will lead us into the fantastic knights of the old republic. That's a plan. Not announce 3 films that are completely separate. Then announce a 4th that might somehow be related to the Ashoka film.
I understand your point. You want a more clear plan outlined publicly of one leading into the next.

To me when they released this canon timeline at Celebration last year they showed at least having sketched out a plan -

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In my opinion they can still have movies released in each time period that builds up to something else. But they don't have say stick in "The Old Republic" era and finish stories there before moving to "High Republic" Era. As long as its good they can jump back and forth from era to era, provided that each story in each era builds upon the stories within that era. So for example if in 2026 they release something from "Dawn of the Jedi" era and in 2028 they release something from "New Jedi Order" era, I'd be ok with that. But they have to start somewhere, and hopefully that is coming.
 

erasure fan1

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But they don't have say stick in "The Old Republic" era and finish stories there before moving to "High Republic" Era. As long as its good they can jump back and forth from era to era, provided that each story in each era builds upon the stories within that era.
I agree with you on this. My only point of contention is that can be tough to pull off without confusion or just not feeling right. Personally I don't know if Lucasfilm has the chops to pull that off. I look at the sequels and how they played pass the baton with the story. That won't work in a story like that. It has to be planned out with how the story will progress. You can make some adjustments, that's natural. But you can't just make it a choose your own adventure from film to film. Have they learned their lesson? Lets hope so.
 

Minnesota disney fan

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Box Office is out for Thursday, February 1st, previewing how things look to pan out for this weekend! Disney has one film in the Top Ten with Poor Things, and then Wish still hanging on to some theaters down in 30th place.

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I just saw Migration and Wonka on Amazon Prime, for a cost of course! I was surprised to see them on Amazon while they are still in theatres??? There was another one or two that are still playing theatres but I can't remember which ones.
 

Tony the Tigger

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I just saw Migration and Wonka on Amazon Prime, for a cost of course! I was surprised to see them on Amazon while they are still in theatres??? There was another one or two that are still playing theatres but I can't remember which ones.
Yes, I noticed Wonka on PPV as well. I have no knowledge of how these things work, but I’m guessing that release date was set a long time ago - thinking it wouldn’t be doing well in theaters this late(?)

I’ve been meaning to mention here, it seems like more films are trending as “slow burns” as opposed to hitting big the first week and dropping off quickly…maybe because there have been fewer new releases? Or at least fewer huge ones? I think Wonka benefited from a little breathing room.
 

_caleb

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Yes, I noticed Wonka on PPV as well. I have no knowledge of how these things work, but I’m guessing that release date was set a long time ago - thinking it wouldn’t be doing well in theaters this late(?)

I’ve been meaning to mention here, it seems like more films are trending as “slow burns” as opposed to hitting big the first week and dropping off quickly…maybe because there have been fewer new releases? Or at least fewer huge ones? I think Wonka benefited from a little breathing room.
Yep. Yet another reason it's silly to look at the first two weeks of box office performance as the primary (or only) indicator of a film's quality, value, or public reception.
 

TP2000

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Box Office is out for Friday, here's the Top 10, and Poor Things has been removed from 350 theaters this weekend to make way for new movies and is in 9th place.

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All of Us Strangers is also still on there around #20, although it's about to get an anti-Oscars bump by being largely ejected from theaters this weekend, despite maintaining solid per theater numbers for the entirety of its run.
Which is a shame because I think it could be leaving money on the table… All of us Strangers is getting a ton of accidental promotion with all the snubs talk

This is its performance with "accidental promotion"? Maybe... and just thinking outside the box here... they should have stuck with regular promotion instead? :)

All Of Us Strangers is down in the 20's for yesterday's Box Office, in 150 theaters in North America and it made $67,000 yesterday. Wish rounds out the list of 20's with $16,000 from 130 theaters.

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TP2000

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I just saw Migration and Wonka on Amazon Prime, for a cost of course! I was surprised to see them on Amazon while they are still in theatres??? There was another one or two that are still playing theatres but I can't remember which ones.
It looks like both those movies are available on Amazon Prime to rent for $20 bucks apiece. Or $25 each to own.

That has to earn those studios more profit on those films than Disney's strategy of putting their mega-budget box office flops on Disney+ for $14 per month.

I’ve been meaning to mention here, it seems like more films are trending as “slow burns” as opposed to hitting big the first week and dropping off quickly…maybe because there have been fewer new releases? Or at least fewer huge ones? I think Wonka benefited from a little breathing room.

Wonka seems to have also benefitted from just being a very good family movie with great word of mouth and positive buzz. Disney hasn't had a movie like that in quite a while now.

Yep. Yet another reason it's silly to look at the first two weeks of box office performance as the primary (or only) indicator of a film's quality, value, or public reception.

This thread is the opposite of that though. We track all these movies from Disney for weeks and months. Wish has been out for over two months and we're still tracking it. And after all that tracking, Wish is still a box office bomb.

Wish: Production $200, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $38, Overseas B.O. Take $70 = $192 Million Loss
Wonka:
Production $125, Marketing $65, Domestic B.O. Take $119, Overseas B.O. Take $143 = $72 Million Profit
Trolls 3:
Production $95, Marketing $50, Domestic B.O. Take $61, Overseas B.O. Take $43 = $41 Million Loss
Migration:
Production $72, Marketing $35, Domestic B.O. Take $62, Overseas B.O. Take $42 = $3 Million Loss

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Wendy Pleakley

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I just saw Migration and Wonka on Amazon Prime, for a cost of course! I was surprised to see them on Amazon while they are still in theatres??? There was another one or two that are still playing theatres but I can't remember which ones.

I think a big factor is people are more willing to pay a premium amount to rent or own a movie if it's new. iTunes highlights movies with "bring the theater home" which is seen as a positive.

It's becoming more and more common. I have to assume the studios releasing their movies have had good results from this practice. They'd adjust if they weren't.

Yes, I noticed Wonka on PPV as well. I have no knowledge of how these things work, but I’m guessing that release date was set a long time ago - thinking it wouldn’t be doing well in theaters this late(?)

I’ve been meaning to mention here, it seems like more films are trending as “slow burns” as opposed to hitting big the first week and dropping off quickly…maybe because there have been fewer new releases? Or at least fewer huge ones? I think Wonka benefited from a little breathing room.

I think the release dates for movies on physical disc are set in stone. They sell them to various retailers and have to commit to whatever contracted delivery date has been set.

Digital movies are more flexible. We've seen some drop surprisingly quick. Current standard seems to be a about a month before the disc release so while they perhaps could have adjusted the digital release, it was tied to the disc release.

I imagine studios prefer digital because they don't have to deal with the cost, hassle, risk, etc. of physical media. I'd be surprised if this release pattern changes anytime soon.

The only recent movie to debut on disc and digital same day was Oppenheimer because only Christopher Nolan has the clout and desire to have made that happen in support of physical media.
 

TP2000

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Elemental was certainly such a film.

Elemental certainly did moderately well overseas, with the biggest numbers in South Korea owing to the film's Korean director bringing out the crowds. But historically against previous Pixar films of the past decade, Elemental didn't do very well at all.

Elemental lost $75 Million for Disney, where Wonka has already made $72 Million in profit and counting.

Elemental: Production $200, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $92, Overseas B.O. Take $133 = $75 Million Loss
Wonka:
Production $125, Marketing $65, Domestic B.O. Take $119, Overseas B.O. Take $143 = $72 Million Profit
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TP2000

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Here's how Elemental stacks up against the Pre-Covid Pixar movies of the late 2010's, adjusted for inflation.

Elemental at least beats Cars 3, but with that exception the comparison is bleak for Pixar's current outlook if you hold up Elemental as a sign of hope for the future. But hey, at least Elemental beat Lightyear and Cars 3.

Elemental: Production $200, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $92, Overseas B.O. Take $133 = $75 Million Loss
Toy Story 4:
Production $230, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $299, Overseas B.O. Take $294 = $263 Million Profit
Incredibles 2:
Production $230, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $422, Overseas B.O. Take $293 = $385 Million Profit
Cars 3:
Production $205, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $108, Overseas B.O. Take $107 = $90 Million Loss
Finding Dory:
Production $243, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $355, Overseas B.O. Take $262 = $274 Million Profit
Inside Out:
Production $219, Marketing $100, Domestic B.O. Take $267, Overseas B.O. Take $247 = $195 Million Profit

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