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Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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MrPromey said:
Good examples!

Not to start a low-stakes fight or anything but what part of the Cosby thing do you disagree with?

The older son certainly got his share of dumping on but I still feel like it was mostly Cosby being painted into corners even while being the one who mostly had the opinions about everyone and everything else.

I was pretty young when it was on and haven't watched it since it was on prime time so my memory may be off.
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Cosby was, as I recall, much more often in the vein of My Three Sons or Leave it to Beaver or the like, where the father was amusing but usually correct and many episodes centered around teaching his children important lessons (making Theo pay rent, etc.).
 
PiratesMansion

PiratesMansion

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RE: The Cosby Show and characterization-Cosby wasn't the butt of the joke every week in the way Archie was, and I wouldn't say that was a huge part of the show. If there was anyone who was most often the butt of the joke, it was probably Denise or Vanessa-Theo too for a good chunk of the show, but by the end he grew out of it. There were, however, many instances Claire was treated as the wiser, more sensible parent and Cliff thus would occasionally become the goofy one.

Not in the sense that he was a bumbler-and he got the key "lay down the law" scene to set Theo straight in the show's first episode, something that still would have fit his character in the last episode-but mostly because Cosby liked to riff and go off on silly tangents whenever he felt like it. Unlike some other comedians that headlined sitcoms, he enjoyed hamming it up, which sometimes, but not always, resulted in him becoming the butt of the joke.

Not in a way that's really comparable to Darrin, Archie, or some of the other examples, though.
 
Willmark

Willmark

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Casper Gutman said:
You fling insults but are awful sensitive to even mild ones directed at you.
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I've insulted you? Where please point to where I've insulted you. In fact, I usually interact quite respectfully even when when it's not warranted; yet I still do.

In fact in our last interaction I said (paraphrasing): "I've not insulted you kindly refrain from doing so" after leveling a claim I did not make.

I suggest there is an issue with posting style and perhaps it lies with yours.

And to add? Mrs Willmark says I have the sensitivity of a cinder block so that will certainly be news, thanks for the insight.
 
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drizgirl

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DKampy said:
Do you still watch cable all that much… we rarely find anything interesting at all to watch on cable anymore… we do watch an abundance of streaming(Max, Prime, Apple +, Disney +, Hulu)I have been debating cutting the cord… but their are still some live events I look forward to… The Academy Awards (yes I am one who still watches) are one of things I still look forward to most each year
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We watch our cable all the time. I watch TCM, TLC, Lifetime and a variety of news stations. Once the new seasons start, I watch a bunch of prime time dramas. My husband watches a lot of sports.
 
MrPromey

MrPromey

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PiratesMansion said:
RE: The Cosby Show and characterization-Cosby wasn't the butt of the joke every week in the way Archie was, and I wouldn't say that was a huge part of the show. If there was anyone who was most often the butt of the joke, it was probably Denise or Vanessa-Theo too for a good chunk of the show, but by the end he grew out of it. There were, however, many instances Claire was treated as the wiser, more sensible parent and Cliff thus would occasionally become the goofy one.

Not in the sense that he was a bumbler-and he got the key "lay down the law" scene to set Theo straight in the show's first episode, something that still would have fit his character in the last episode-but mostly because Cosby liked to riff and go off on silly tangents whenever he felt like it. Unlike some other comedians that headlined sitcoms, he enjoyed hamming it up, which sometimes, but not always, resulted in him becoming the butt of the joke.

Not in a way that's really comparable to Darrin, Archie, or some of the other examples, though.
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Casper Gutman said:
You fling and endorse insults but are awful sensitive to even mild ones directed at you.

You got factual matters wrong in your post (it was ABRAMS setting up the "I am your father" moment - Johnson rejected it) so I think the statement is fair.
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Ah, I see what you guys mean. You're comparing him more directly to All in the Family and The Jeffersons.

I was thinking more along the lines of my "Make Room for Daddy" example where everyone else is pretty much playing straight and he is the one we usually rely on for the actions and responses... Thinking of episodes like when one of the kids is in a band and his attempts to relate or pull them in fall flat, as literally depicted or like when he tries to take the youngest daughter and her friend to a fancy restaurant and they hate the food until it ends up smashed into something resembling a burger or one where he's talking to his son about his "secret" spaghetti recipe that ends up being... something else.

.... He's not necessarily wrong most of the time but it's more a case of being out of touch with the perspectives of those around him and the fact that his id is constantly on display which, of course, was by design.

I feel like nearly every episode ended with a life lesson for a kid and him a lesson on how to better relate to them, usually with a side-eyed glance and coy smile that from Dr. Helen Marsh that both chastised him for his behavior but also assured him he'd still be getting some later that night.* :oops:

Comparing to say Full House where Danny Tanner carriers a similar paternal role but manages to usually be the least funny character in the show which, I assume was also by design since he anchored everyone else.

*again, most of my memory of the show was from a pretty young age, though. My memory of that glance, though, comes mostly from memes.
 
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LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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erasure fan1 said:
The difference with the obi-wan comparison of going into hiding isn't really justified. Obi-wan went into hiding to protect Luke and wait for the right time to continue the fight. If they echoed that same thing with Luke, no one has a problem. If Luke's on that island because of some reason that turns the tides against the first order. Great! And while he's there he can discover a better path forward for the Jedi. Not, oh well, I give up. Knowing full well that him throwing in the towel means almost a for sure loss to the resistance.
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What about Yoda’s self-exile?
 
Willmark

Willmark

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LittleBuford said:
What about Yoda’s self-exile?
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Maybe it's because Yoda is close to death? He is after all 900 years old and even says "earned it I have" as he knows he doesn't have much time left. I took it as he's done his part, it's up to you (Luke) now with the "have you that which you require."

His exile IMO is different for that reason as he knew his time was almost over.
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Willmark said:
Maybe it's because Yoda is close to death? He is after all 900 years old and even says "earned it I have." I took it as he's done his part, it's up to you (Luke) now with the "have you that which you require."

His exile IMO is different for those reason as he knew his time was almost over.
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Doesn’t he flee at the end of Episode III after being bested in battle by Palpatine?
 
Willmark

Willmark

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LittleBuford said:
Doesn’t he flee at the end of Episode III after being bested in battle by Palpatine?
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The fight between the two (to me at least) always seemed like a draw. Neither one really got much of a "win" over the other. Add in Order 66 and Yoda realized that he needed to beat feat. In his long life Luke turned out to be his last shot and last pupil who he trained.
 

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