Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Jedijax719]

FWIW Deadline is saying Mission: Impossible’s numbers aren’t great so far. They’re attributing it to people wanting to see it on PLF screens and theaters not having enough to meet demand.

I’ve noticed the run time is a problem if you want to see it in Dolby, e.g., and work during the day. Disney Springs AMC screens it in Dolby at 7:00PM, and 11:00PM. Which effectively means it plays once a night unless you want to be getting out at 2:00AM.

Run times need corralling same as budgets. Indy 5 would’ve been markedly better at 2hrs imo. But it also doesn’t help that you have AMC adding 23 min of trailer/promo packaging at the start.

Long way of saying this summer box office combined with the strikes may be a turning point for a lot of studios, not just Disney.

Turning point toward what though? If streaming is having the problems people are citing and theaters are obviously not seeing the turnout, what change will this all bring about?

 

[Disney Irish]

FWIW Deadline is saying Mission: Impossible’s numbers aren’t great so far. They’re attributing it to people wanting to see it on PLF screens and theaters not having enough to meet demand.

I’ve noticed the run time is a problem if you want to see it in Dolby, e.g., and work during the day. Disney Springs AMC screens it in Dolby at 7:00PM, and 11:00PM. Which effectively means it plays once a night unless you want to be getting out at 2:00AM.

Run times need corralling same as budgets. Indy 5 would’ve been markedly better at 2hrs imo. But it also doesn’t help that you have AMC adding 23 min of trailer/promo packaging at the start.

Long way of saying this summer box office combined with the strikes may be a turning point for a lot of studios, not just Disney.

And its only going to get worse as MI:7 couldn't get premium screens past this weekend, Nolan and Barbie wouldn't budge. Which is why it had previews early with screenings on Monday and Tuesday this week on premium screens.

So without the premium screens for more than one weekend to bring in the higher ticket prices, that is going to drop expectations for what MI:7 can bring in long term. So its looking like a 5-day of ~$100M through Sunday, while that is a franchise best its not actually good for long term prospects. We'll see if it has legs or if Tom's magic has worn off....

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[TsWade2]

Oh dear! I like Bob Iger, but I'm afraid he made a poor judgement on the writers and the actors.

 

[Jedijax719]

And its only going to get worse as MI:7 couldn't get premium screens past this weekend, Nolan and Barbie wouldn't budge. Which is why it had previews early with screenings on Monday and Tuesday this week on premium screens.

So without the premium screens for more than one weekend to bring in the higher ticket prices, that is going to drop expectations for what MI:7 can bring in long term. So its looking like a 5-day of ~$100M through Sunday, while that is a franchise best its not actually good for long term prospects. We'll see if it has legs or if Tom's magic has worn off....

$100 million???? More like $70-$80 million at most (probably around $50-$55 million for the 3-day).

 

[Disney Irish]

$100 million???? More like $70-$80 million at most (probably around $50-$55 million for the 3-day).

Maybe, depends on tonight and tomorrow.

Point is at ~100M (or less) given its budget it has a long road to profitability, and its not looking good. Not getting premium screens for more than a week is hurting it. So maybe Tom isn't the golden goose for the Box Office that some around here claimed he was.

Again we'll see what happens over the course of its run, maybe it'll have legs.....

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh dear! I like Bob Iger, but afraid he made a poor judgement on the writers and the actors.

I'm not sure what you expect a CEO of a huge media conglomerate to say. Of course he is going to say that they are being unrealistic with their demands. Its part of the game of negotiations, each side claims the other side is being unrealistic in the demands. And in the end they meet somewhere in the middle with not everyone getting what they want.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'm not sure what you expect a CEO of a huge media conglomerate to say. Of course he is going to say that they are being unrealistic with their demands. Its part of the game of negotiations, each side claims the other side is being unrealistic in the demands. And in the end they meet somewhere in the middle with not everyone getting what they want.

Nah. You spout some boilerplate about hoping to come to a universally beneficial conclusion because we all just want to entertain people. What Iger said came off as breathtaking condescension and, in light of the demands the studios are making for control over the images and voices of writers and actors, deeply deceptive. Coming hot on the heels of Igers contract renewal, which focused attention on his salary, and the producers’ earlier comments about starving the writers, it was horribly stupid. One of Igers main strengths is supposed to be his political savvy.

 

[TP2000]

One of Igers main strengths is supposed to be his political savvy.

He gave up on political savvy once his chances of being a California Senator went down the drain a few years ago.

He's letting his true colors show now that he's older, and getting snottier and more elitist as he rolls through his 70's.

 

[Disney Irish]

Nah. You spout some boilerplate about hoping to come to a universally beneficial conclusion because we all just want to entertain people.

And if he said that The Nanny would have said it was disingenuous and fake. Basically he is damned no matter what he says. And reporters would not let him get away with not answering.

 

[TalkingHead]

And if he said that The Nanny would have said it was disingenuous and fake. Basically he is damned no matter what he says. And reporters would not let him get away with not answering.

If he had said that, it would’ve have been a big story and the reporter wouldn’t have bothered asking her for a response. It only became a news item because his words and tone were so antagonistic.

 

[Disney Irish]

If he had said that, it would’ve have been a big story and the reporter wouldn’t have bothered asking her for a response. It only became a news item because his words and tone were so antagonistic.

I understand your guys points, but I don't think it would have gone differently had he answered it a different way.

Basically SAG-AFTRA is painting all the studios as greedy and out of touch, not saying I don't disagree with most of their points. But any answer any of the CEOs would have given, short of we agree to all their demands, would have been met with a similar response by Fran.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I understand your guys points, but I don't think it would have gone differently had he answered it a different way.

Basically SAG-AFTRA is painting all the studios as greedy and out of touch, not saying I don't disagree with most of their points. But any answer any of the CEOs would have given, short of we agree to all their demands, would have been met with a similar response by Fran.

This is absolutely incorrect. Iger's comments were a story because they were idiotic and because they came on top of the producers' "let them starve" statement, which enraged just about everybody and which caused the producers to go into frantic damage control, an effort Iger helped torpedo. Had Iger spewed feel-good nonsense or participated in the larger effort to put out the flames the "starve" message had ignited, none of this is a story. No one asks Drescher about the benign comments, and if they do, her response doesn't get much coverage. At this point, Iger has essentially volunteered to be the face of what was, until now, widely viewed as a faceless gang of greedy, exploitative, tone-deaf multimillionaires.

Honestly, I've gone on and on about how Iger's failings are the product of larger forces, but this - this is a horrible personal mistake in an area in which he should be very skilled. This is the sort of thing that another CEO hired by the same board very well might have handled better.

 

[Disney Irish]

This is absolutely incorrect. Iger's comments were a story because they were idiotic and because they came on top of the producers' "let them starve" statement, which enraged just about everybody and which caused the producers to go into frantic damage control, an effort Iger helped torpedo. Had Iger spewed feel-good nonsense or participated in the larger effort to put out the flames the "starve" message had ignited, none of this is a story. No one asks Drescher about the benign comments, and if they do, her response doesn't get much coverage. At this point, Iger has essentially volunteered to be the face of what was, until now, widely viewed as a faceless gang of greedy, exploitative, tone-deaf multimillionaires.

Honestly, I've gone on and on about how Iger's failings are the product of larger forces, but this - this is a horrible personal mistake in an area in which he should be very skilled. This is the sort of thing that another CEO hired by the same board very well might have handled better.

Look I appreciate your opinion, but no one really knows what would have happened. Reporters will ask questions about everything just to get a sound bite, its world we live. So in my opinion it would have been asked about, especially after the "starve" comment, and it would have been met with a similar response in my opinion.

This is not to say that Iger shouldn't have answered more politically, but I just don't think it would have made a difference.

 

[wtyy21]

Sorry for not posting it at Snow White live-action thread, but the first glimpse of Snow white and the Seven Dwarfs (or 7 magical creatures as Disney now known) has been released exclusively by Daily Mail.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Look I appreciate your opinion, but no one really knows what would have happened. Reporters will ask questions about everything just to get a sound bite, its world we live. So in my opinion it would have been asked about, especially after the "starve" comment, and it would have been met with a similar response in my opinion.

This is not to say that Iger shouldn't have answered more politically, but I just don't think it would have made a difference.

You're really reaching here. If Iger had said something benign, the story would have stayed focused on the starving stuff. You're claiming that there would be a story even if the substance of the story was nonexistent which is a truly unsustainable position. We can be quite sure there wouldn't be, since there were no stories about Drescher's responses to all the infinite number of things producers didn't say.

 

[Disney Irish]

You're really reaching here. If Iger had said something benign, the story would have stayed focused on the starving stuff. You're claiming that there would be a story even if the substance of the story was nonexistent which is a truly unsustainable position. We can be quite sure there wouldn't be, since there were no stories about Drescher's responses to all the infinite number of things producers didn't say.

It would have been a story no matter what was said because it was the first time any CEO spoke out since the strike started and since the other comment.

Since neither of us can know for sure this is all just opinion anyways. So let’s just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[TP2000]

It would have been a story no matter what was said because it was the first time any CEO spoke out since the strike started and since the other comment.

Bob should have just stayed silent with a non-answer answer like... "Right now at this moment of rapidly changing technology, I'm willing to let the negotiations play out for an industry that all of us on both sides care deeply about".

Look at me. I just wrote a soundbite that would have been vastly better than the snotty and elitist thing Bob actually said. And it's almost Midnight and I've had a dry martini and some Willamette Valley Pinot Noir over a long dinner, and I still sound better than Bob did.

 

[Disney Irish]

Bob should have just stayed silent with a non-answer answer like... "Right now at this moment of rapidly changing technology, I'm willing to let the negotiations play out for an industry that all of us on both sides care deeply about".

Look at me. I just wrote a soundbite that would have been vastly better than the snotty and elitist thing Bob actually said. And it's almost Midnight and I've had a dry martini and some Willamette Valley Pinot Noir over a long dinner, and I still sound better than Bob did.

Maybe that would have worked, maybe it wouldn't have. Faber being a fairly good interviewer may not have let that go as an answer.

Having seen many strikes happen over the years from SEIU and other large unions I've seen how both sides talk in media interviews. Both sides in this case are pretty much all saying the normal talking points their respective sides say during these type of strikes. Again not saying Iger couldn't have found a better way to phrase what he wanted to say, but all in all its not the worse things I've seen said by a side during a strike.

Also let it be known that I'm not taking any side in this. Both sides have their points, and both sides have things they are demanding too much on. In the end its somewhere in the middle where common ground will be found.

 

[TP2000]

Sorry for not posting it at Snow White live-action thread, but the first glimpse of Snow white and the Seven Dwarfs (or 7 magical creatures as Disney now known) has been released exclusively by Daily Mail.

That just can't be real. It's a joke. A practice photo using mostly the production's staff members or supervisors. Only one of those dwarves is actually a dwarf. And why would Africans be in Germany as rural villagers circa 1810's?

This has to just be a photo shoot they did to establish colors and costume tones or something, without using the actual actors and actresses.