Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[TP2000]

I hate to say this, but if Wish and Once Upon A Studios flops, this will be Disney’s worst 100th anniversary ever!

Cheer up, pal. I'm sure Disney's next 100th anniversary will be here before you know it.

 

[Ghost93]

Hollywood actors and actresses are among the least essential workers in America, and it doesn't help that they are thought of as snobby elites who look down their noses at nearly everyone living east of Palm Springs or west of Philadelphia.

Only a small percentage of actors and actresses make millions. The vast majority struggle to make ends meet and often have to have another job.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Only a small percentage of actors and actresses make millions. The vast majority struggle to make ends meet and often have to have another job.

That small percentage (with a few exceptions) does not do a good job being the visible face of a profession that involves public image.

 

[TP2000]

Only a small percentage of actors and actresses make millions. The vast majority struggle to make ends meet and often have to have another job.

I get that, and it's actually good that all the struggling actors already have other jobs, as this strike is going to drag on for awhile.

But when you ask average Americans in the parking lot at Costco what they think about 'Hollywood actors' now being on strike they'd laugh and say "Who cares?"

This isn't like air traffic control agents going on strike and shutting down air travel, which would infuriate Americans. Or if the UAW went on strike and shut down auto production in the Midwest instantly putting working class and middle class families at risk, which would concern Americans. And both scenarios, and many other strike scenarios, would trigger the federal government to get involved immediately.

This is just 'Hollywood actors', a profession that is not essential in an industry that is not highly thought of by many Americans now, so the strikers won't be getting gift baskets sent to them on the picket lines from concerned Americans or pressure from the White House to resolve the issue ASAP.

 

[Ghost93]

That small percentage (with a few exceptions) does not do a good job being the visible face of a profession that involves public image.

It's the same thing with reporters. People think extremely wealthy people like Anderson Cooper represent what the overall profession is like, whereas the vast majority are underpaid and live paycheck to paycheck.

 

[Ghost93]

This is just 'Hollywood actors', a profession that is not essential in an industry that is not highly thought of by many Americans now, so the strikers won't be getting gift baskets sent to them on the picket lines from concerned Americans or pressure from the White House to resolve the issue ASAP.

The thing is, people say they don't care about Hollywood actors and that acting isn't a "real job," yet they will get angry when their favorite movies or shows are delayed and there isn't enough content to watch.

Entertainment — whether it be movies, theater or music — IS an important profession. You won't die without it, but your enjoyment in life will decrease without it.

 

[drizgirl]

The thing is, people say they don't care about Hollywood actors and that acting isn't a "real job," yet they will get angry when their favorite movies or shows are delayed and there isn't enough content to watch.

Entertainment — whether it be movies, theater or music — IS an important profession. You won't die without it, but your enjoyment in life will decrease without it.

I own enough DVDs to last however long it takes. And Covid conditioned me to make do with less new entertainment.

 

[TP2000]

I own enough DVDs to last however long it takes. And Covid conditioned me to make do with less new entertainment.

No kidding. I watch so much YouTube now, I can't tell you the last time I watched some sort of scripted show from some fancy studio. Probably the last season of The Crown is the best answer there, or at least a scripted show that I sought out on purpose.

Instead, I've got YouTube on a 100 inch 4K laser screen in my family room watching a fun dad and his goofy teenage son in their family kitchen in Long Island, New York show me how to make the best baked ziti ever. Or I'm watching old Julia Child episodes from WGBH. Or learning how fine French porcelain is made in 300 year old wood-fired kilns. Or watching a Japanese craftsman make a $1,000 chef's knife from raw steel ingot start to its work of art finish.

The world has changed and it's not 1980. It's not even 2010 any more when YouTube was just 240p cat videos and people falling off ladders.

It's 2023 and our entertainment options streamed instantly to our 4K TV's are infinite now and cover nearly every bit of filmed media that man has ever created since the invention of the moving picture, and there's nothing Hollywood can do to reverse that.

 

[brb1006]

Oh, no.

Which one is Dopey and Doc?

 

[brb1006]

This does look bad, and I think it too will not do well. It looks like a SyFy channel cash in on public domain property. As a child of the 80’s I have a fondness for cheaply produced dreck one might see on syndicated television, just not in multimillion dollar tentpole films.

The Dwarfs from the 2001 Hallmark TV Movie "Snow White: The Fairest of Them All" which aired as part of "The Wonderful World of Disney" looked more better than this.

 

[Tha Realest]

No kidding. I watch so much YouTube now, I can't tell you the last time I watched some sort of scripted show from some fancy studio. Probably the last season of The Crown is the best answer there, or at least a scripted show that I sought out on purpose.

Instead, I've got YouTube on a 120 inch 4K laser screen in my family room watching a fun dad and his goofy teenage son in their family kitchen in Long Island, New York show me how to make the best baked ziti ever. Or I'm watching old Julia Child episodes from WGBH. Or learning how fine French porcelain is made in 300 year old wood-fired kilns. Or watching a Japanese craftsman make a $1,000 chef's knife from raw steel ingot start to its work of art finish.

The world has changed and it's not 1980. It's not even 2010 any more when YouTube was just 240p cat videos and people falling off ladders.

It's 2023 and our entertainment options streamed instantly to our 4K TV's are infinite now and cover nearly every bit of filmed media that man has ever created since the invention of the moving picture, and there's nothing Hollywood can do to reverse that.

Secret Galaxy (previously Toy Galaxy) is better than most of the scripted network series of the last few years

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Hollywood actors and actresses are among the least essential workers in America, and it doesn't help that they are thought of as snobby elites who look down their noses at nearly everyone living east of Palm Springs or west of Philadelphia.

The vast majority of Americans don't care about the Hollywood strike. And it's not 1980, so it's not like we're suddenly starved for entertainment when we only had 3 channels and PBS to choose from. So who cares?

It doesn’t help their cause to parade out known faces we all know make millions of dollars.

Fran called out CEOs for making tens of millions per year but didn’t call out the lead actors who make tens of millions per year, I’d have more sympathy for the cause if Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford said they’d forego their $20 million per movie fee so their fellow actors could be paid more.

An actors strike feels a lot like a pro sports strike, millionaires fighting billionaires, all while average joes struggle to pay their bills. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Snow White:con-edition

My first impression was photo shoot for a high school drama production but now I can’t unsee them as con characters.

 

[TsWade2]

Cheer up, pal. I'm sure Disney's next 100th anniversary will be here before you know it.

Thanks. Wait a minute, are you saying Disney didn’t reach their 100 yet?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Folks really emulating cartoon villains in this thread!

I’d love to know what all the folks here do that they consider their careers so much more worthy and socially significant than those of actors and writers.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It doesn’t help their cause to parade out known faces we all know make millions of dollars.

Fran called out CEOs for making tens of millions per year but didn’t call out the lead actors who make tens of millions per year, I’d have more sympathy for the cause if Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford said they’d forego their $20 million per movie fee so their fellow actors could be paid more.

An actors strike feels a lot like a pro sports strike, millionaires fighting billionaires, all while average joes struggle to pay their bills. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

It’s already been pointed out that 99.9% of actors are working stiffs, not stars. I suspect it will be necessary to point that out a lot in the coming days.

Besides that, Tom Cruise gets a lot of money because people come to see movies because he’s in them. He brings in much more than he costs.

No one goes to see a movie because of who produced it. Cruise’s talents are infinitely rarer then Iger’s. As I’ve argued from a different perspective, if Iger leaves he will be replaced by someone almost identical. The actors’ (or writers’) salary is FAR more justifiable then the producers.

 

[flynnibus]

My first impression was photo shoot for a high school drama production but now I can’t unsee them as con characters.

Makes you wonder if that generation is now in the writers room and made up this stuff. Or if its cooy-cat people that don’t understand the idea of cosplay twists doesn’t map to mass appeal

 

[Disney Irish]

Thanks. Wait a minute, are you saying Disney didn’t reach their 100 yet?

Officially their 100th is on October 16th, 2023.

However was TP was talking about is that their next 100th, ie 200th in 2123, will be here before you know it. Of course all of us will be gone by that point so it doesn't truly matter.

 

[Disney Irish]

No one goes to see a movie because of who produced it.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I go see all the MCU movies specifically because Feige produced them and created a Cinematic Universe that tied all movies together.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I go see all the MCU movies specifically because Feige produced them and created a Cinematic Universe that tied all movies together.

I was going to include an exception for Feige, but reconsidered. People went to see the whole story of the MCU or to see Captain America or to see Robert Downey Jr or etc. Even I, who pretty much venerates Feige, didn’t go to see the movies because he produced them. If he made a non-Marvel action film, his name wouldn’t be a draw. And EVEN if we put all that aside, Feige is one of the three greatest producers in Hollywood history - he’s an incredibly rare exception, not a rule.

People don’t go to see movies because of the producer.