Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

flynnibus

Premium Member
And in true nerd news… from the strike rules coverage…

“They are also not allowed to attend conventions such as Comic-Con or 90s Con to promote any past or present work made under a SAG-AFTRA contract.”
 

Disney Analyst

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Original Poster
And in true nerd news… from the strike rules coverage…

“They are also not allowed to attend conventions such as Comic-Con or 90s Con to promote any past or present work made under a SAG-AFTRA contract.”

Yeah: they can technically attend… but can’t prompt anything at all.

Basically just go and be like “Hey, I’m Daniel Radcliffe, a normal person that you can take a photo of with and we will not acknowledge anything I’ve done”
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Yeah: they can technically attend… but can’t prompt anything at all.

Basically just go and be like “Hey, I’m Daniel Radcliffe, a normal person that you can take a photo of with and we will not acknowledge anything I’ve done”
Well the obvious point of my highlight is the panels. Panels people pay huge money to goto see, etc. panels that are the biggest newsworthy portions of the event.

A-listers wandering the floor is not a comic con experiences people are risking missing out on
 

BuddyThomas

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In the meantime......


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Tha Realest

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They are also striking to try and keep studios from replacing human creativity with AI, an issue that has much broader implications. Honestly, we're at an amazing moment in human history - corporations seeking to boost quarterly profits are attempting to replace human creativity - human empathy, human humor, human insight, the soul itself - with computers. If you had written this as a dystopian satire in the 60s it would have been too on the nose, too preposterous, But normalcy bias is so strong, apathy so tempting, and political tribalism so consuming that we're barely disturbed by what's happening.

As with so many things in the last decade, this is a BIG BIG turning point in human history, and folks in the moment just can't see it.
AI is awful. Laying a marker.

That said, it is very dismaying how quickly and easily it could function in a jiffy for very little things very early on (e.g. apology letters, or empty political statements). One could see how writers rooms (or authors) use it as a first draft, or a way to barrel through a writing impasse.

In terms of visual use of AI, as bad and awful as that prospect is, we’ve all seen some really atrocious CGI in films that make me almost welcome our new robot overlords. The CGI in Ant-Man, and THAT multiversal scene in The Flash was embarrassing in a way that makes me think, if this is what $250M and “originality” gives me, it can’t hurt to give the algorithm a chance.
 

TP2000

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…nobody cares about awards…and never have

I look forward to hearing your recap of the VMAs though

I'm a 20th century gay, and I used to live for Oscars Parties. A real social event. But that doesn't happen any more, or certainly not on the grand scale it used to. Maybe with the younger gays it's still a thing? Or are they just watching at home in their PJ's? The ratings for the Oscars have crashed, that's for sure.

I know the Emmy's are... TV shows, I'm 98% sure? But then I always get the Tony's and the other ones mixed up. Grammy's?

But I know for a FACT that the Teddy's are the highest honor one can bestow on local TV talent in the Greater Minneapolis-St. Paul market. Winning a Teddy is a true honor that I'm sure we all respect.

 

wtyy21

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SAG AFTRA has over 160,000 members, over 70% of them don't even earn the minimum of $26,000 to even qualify for insurance. I believe the number is less than 2% of the over 160,000 members are actually millionaires.

The public only pays attention to the top tier of the SAG AFTRA members, ie the millionaires. So they are the ones striking to get better conditions and better pay for the 98% of the members that aren't millionaires.
While SAG-AFTRA have sizable members, it's influence on Hollywood industry was slightly less compare to IATSE ones, which has slightly large numbers (168,000) and has more powerful voice when regarding to entertainment-related productions.

Had IATSE (specifically 13 West Coast chapters) going to strike two years ago due to similar conflict with AMPTP regarding contracts (in 2021), it may bring TV and film productions to halt much worse than SAG-AFTRA currently has, as IATSE members are involved regarding anything related to film, TV, animations, and others when we counted about pre and post-production of film and television programs. It may impact The Walt Disney Company film studios when making future animated films.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
While SAG-AFTRA have sizable members, it's influence on Hollywood industry was slightly less compare to IATSE ones, which has slightly large numbers (168,000) and has more powerful voice when regarding to entertainment-related productions.

Had IATSE (specifically 13 West Coast chapters) going to strike two years ago due to similar conflict with AMPTP regarding contracts (in 2021), it may bring TV and film productions to halt much worse than SAG-AFTRA currently has, as IATSE members are involved regarding anything related to film, TV, animations, and others when we counted about pre and post-production of film and television programs. It may impact The Walt Disney Company film studios when making future animated films.
I have no doubts or even questioned that other unions such as IATSE have a larger influence over the entertainment industry. I was only explaining to the other poster that this isn't just a bunch of millionaires striking to get more money.
 

tcool123

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Not sure where to post this but with the SAG-AFTRA strike it got me wondering what does Disney have in the longterm filmed and ready for the longterm aka beyond 2023.

Snow White wrapped right before the strike it seems, Planet of the Aims wrapped filming in February and if we assume Elio has its voicework done and/or doesnt need to use members striking then that leaves Disney with three films that are strike proof safe. If it gets bad enough maybe they’ll theatrically release DisneyNature’s Tiger in April (doubt that they would given the low returns on the final batch of theatrical DisneyNature films). These two to four give them a little something to do if the strike go on as long as some wish for it to go on, read an article earlier that they planned to strike till the holiday or that the studios are waiting until the holidays and because of that I don’t see how some stuff wont be delayed because of it.

Digging further into their undated films on Wikipedia some other films that seemed to have completed filming is AND, The Bikeriders, Dust, The First Omen, Nightbitch, The Supremes at Earl’s All You Can Eat, and Young Woman and the Sea based on what I could easily check. I’m sure some of these will release this year, but depending on how the strikes effect the content output perhaps we could see some of these release theatrically instead of straight to streaming.

Streaming wise they’ll probably be fine given it seems that they were able to get a decent chunk of Disney+ Originals filmed in time. If they need padding they can dub over international series, or you know use that gigantic Disney Vault of catalog to dump old content like how they’re doing for the shorts.
 

dreday3

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Not sure where to post this but with the SAG-AFTRA strike it got me wondering what does Disney have in the longterm filmed and ready for the longterm aka beyond 2023.

Snow White wrapped right before the strike it seems, Planet of the Aims wrapped filming in February and if we assume Elio has its voicework done and/or doesnt need to use members striking then that leaves Disney with three films that are strike proof safe. If it gets bad enough maybe they’ll theatrically release DisneyNature’s Tiger in April (doubt that they would given the low returns on the final batch of theatrical DisneyNature films). These two to four give them a little something to do if the strike go on as long as some wish for it to go on, read an article earlier that they planned to strike till the holiday or that the studios are waiting until the holidays and because of that I don’t see how some stuff wont be delayed because of it.

Digging further into their undated films on Wikipedia some other films that seemed to have completed filming is AND, The Bikeriders, Dust, The First Omen, Nightbitch, The Supremes at Earl’s All You Can Eat, and Young Woman and the Sea based on what I could easily check. I’m sure some of these will release this year, but depending on how the strikes effect the content output perhaps we could see some of these release theatrically instead of straight to streaming.

Streaming wise they’ll probably be fine given it seems that they were able to get a decent chunk of Disney+ Originals filmed in time. If they need padding they can dub over international series, or you know use that gigantic Disney Vault of catalog to dump old content like how they’re doing for the shorts.

Is Disney + immune to reality tv, because we are about to get an onslaught of it!

I support the strikes. We'll make do. I have a huge backlog of stuff to watch. And then I'll just start reading more again. Among the other demands, AI is something that everyone who works (and doesn't) needs to be concerned with.
 

tcool123

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Is Disney + immune to reality tv, because we are about to get an onslaught of it!
Truthfully? In my opinion, they should be fine they have a good chunk of their marquee releases set up to release. Looking again beyond what’s dated this year and this is what they have filmed:
  • Doctor Who
  • Ironheart, wrapped last November
  • Percy Jackson wrapped in February
  • The Acolyte wrapped in June
  • Spiderwick Chronicles wrapped in January
  • Ballad of Renegade Nell should be done
  • Nautilus wrapped in January
  • Agatha Coven of Chaos wrapped in May
This progamming should last them to May given how they typically release their marquee seriees, perhaps longer or shorter depending on how they release episodes. They have docuseries lined up as well, given they can run the 100th till November 2024 they could use it as a reason to delve into their back catalog to supplement their releases. Also I’m sure National Geographic will continue to churn out content, but will they still get reality TV? Yea probably maybe it’s to reboot Dance Moms they already have it streaming there lol
 

TalkingHead

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FWIW Deadline is saying Mission: Impossible’s numbers aren’t great so far. They’re attributing it to people wanting to see it on PLF screens and theaters not having enough to meet demand.

I’ve noticed the run time is a problem if you want to see it in Dolby, e.g., and work during the day. Disney Springs AMC screens it in Dolby at 7:00PM, and 11:00PM. Which effectively means it plays once a night unless you want to be getting out at 2:00AM.

Run times need corralling same as budgets. Indy 5 would’ve been markedly better at 2hrs imo. But it also doesn’t help that you have AMC adding 23 min of trailer/promo packaging at the start.

Long way of saying this summer box office combined with the strikes may be a turning point for a lot of studios, not just Disney.
 

erasure fan1

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While I'm sure there will be some that agree with you, however given that streaming services worldwide has over 1B subs I don't think it'll have a large enough impact if you drop.

We'll see what happens long term with streaming, but it seems clear its here to stay.
Of course streaming is here to stay. What I'm saying is if enough people start to drop a service here or there because of cost, it will change. I think we already will see a few of the secondary streamers fold in the next few years. And that could change this whole equation. I just don't know if this uber pricing and limitations will stick if it gets implemented. There are other options for people if they get annoyed enough. Who knows, maybe everyone will just accept a bill that's two or three times the cost of what traditional TV was.
 

TP2000

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FWIW Deadline is saying Mission: Impossible’s numbers aren’t great so far. They’re attributing it to people wanting to see it on PLF screens and theaters not having enough to meet demand.

Is that what's going on? Or is it just an excuse? I agree with you about run times in general, especially since they no longer have an intermission in these films. Either limit movies to 2 hours tops, or bring back intermissions.

I put this chart in the Indy thread, but it seems to apply here now too. Box office is out for Thursday the 13th and it seems to predict where Indy 5 will end up in its third weekend; down in 4th place and collapsing fast against Mission: Impossible and the surprise hit Sound of Freedom.

This won't be a good weekend for Indy, but then it gets even worse next weekend when he's going to get beat up by a girl. :hungover:

Domestic Box Office - Thursday, July 13th.
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