Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How could a 2 second kiss have been more tactful?

Why are these people so fragile?

They never would’ve survived on the other side of the coin.

Ok

You missed the part where it didn’t fail because of that ?

It didn’t…it just was a crappy movie…

My criticism of “less tact” was more for other Disney BOMBS.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But you gave yourself away when you said the movies don’t look the same as people on the street. That shows us you’re only looking at this from one perspective, of which I’m sure a lot of people are guilty, and I know it’s not intentional on your part.

It’s time to represent different streets, and adults should be able to handle that. People should be able to handle that they aren’t at the center of the universe.

I’m grossed out and embarrassed by the behavior of the people bemoaning black mermaids, gay cartoons, and female superheroes regardless of quality of story.

I didn’t “give anything away”…we’re trying to perform an autopsy here…which requires a mask and uncomfortable discussion.

In order to debate what’s wrong…and for my perspective hope for more success (cause I’m BORED)…then we have to be kinda Frank in the pathology here.

Don’t assume I support what’s sinking huge films…because I’m willing consider why? They might be at the bottom of the Atlantic

Forced DEI is certainly a possibly and creating backlash…stated or hidden

So you need more tact in this environment…and that goes away in the future when things change

 

[Indy_UK]

Bob Says they are going to focus on quality rather than quantity...... then Angelina Jolie says they're doing Malificent 3.

 

[celluloid]

My thoughts are perhaps families with kids are staying home… I saw neither Mario or Spiderverse in theaters… but from what I have gather from online…. Both of those movies appealed to adults… even those that don’t have kids… which might have helped both… as families with kids are opting to stay home more and just use a streaming service they already pay for to entertain the kids

That just means the movies Mario and Spiderverse had more appeal. They were slam dunks of all quadrants. Not maybe mostly only adults saw them.
I see it as the opposite of what you said. Disney made nothing that infested the majority of miss and families with kids.

 

[celluloid]

Bob Says they are going to focus on quality rather than quantity...... then Angelina Jolie says they're doing Maleficent 3.

His words per usual are meaningless. At best, he meant frequency. He does not know how to cheerlead in house creative branding or storytelling.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

His words per usual are meaningless. At best, he meant frequency. He does not know how to cheerlead in house creative branding or storytelling.

Doing “better quality” is sweater speak for spending less

Which they can’t afford because of content problem on their stream now developing

But I bet I’ll have to tell some around here it’s a problem everyday for 5 years? Cause I don’t wear a nametag or talks to Twitter tools.

Unless I get hit by a truck…and I know that would be a relief for a lot of you

 

[erasure fan1]

I saw neither Mario or Spiderverse in theaters… but from what I have gather from online…. Both of those movies appealed to adults… even those that don’t have kids…

They appealed to both fairly evenly I would say. That's one big reason they did so well. They were films that an adult didn't mind staying with the kids to see them. Also like you said, adults were fine seeing it even with no kids. Obviously Spiderman is the most popular hero so that helps that film. And Mario was unapologetically made for fans of Mario.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Bob Says they are going to focus on quality rather than quantity...... then Angelina Jolie says they're doing Malificent 3.

What the heck do you think a studio does when it feels shaky? It retreats to the safest possible material.

 

[Indy_UK]

First Movie did $800 million. Second Movie did $500 million. Maybe the third will do $350 million?

Going by Disneys way of working, it will loose money and they'll call it a success.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What the heck do you think a studio does when it feels shaky? It retreats to the safest possible material.

Bob is actually inventing that disgraceful tactic…
Or at least “enhancing” it

 

[Casper Gutman]

Bob is actually inventing that disgraceful tactic…
Or at least “enhancing” it

In no way, shape, or form is he “inventing” it. It’s completely predictable.

 

[erasure fan1]

What the heck do you think a studio does when it feels shaky? It retreats to the safest possible material.

Well in Disneys case, it's not retreating to anything. It's been their primary business model for a very long time now. That's why it's funny. "Focus on quality over quantity" then announce a 3rd movie in the series. This isn't a change in strategy at all, it's the same old same old for Disney. Maybe Maleficent 3 is a D+ movie. That would be a smarter move in my opinion.

 

[Indy_UK]

They have a wealth of IP that they could use and doesn’t need to have insane budgets?

Could they not make an original Mickey Mouse movie? Duck Tales ? I dunno anything that isn’t a sequel of a sequel that have all come out in the last 10 years

 

[DKampy]

That just means the movies Mario and Spiderverse had more appeal. They were slam dunks of all quadrants. Not maybe mostly only adults saw them.
I see it as the opposite of what you said. Disney made nothing that infested the majority of miss and families with kids.

I did not say mostly only adults… I but I do think there were more adult without kids willing to go to those then other animated films… also I think there were more older teens likely to go to those then other animated films… I do believe it will be harder to reach families with younger kids these days as they will consider the expense and realize it is much cheaper to wait till it’s on Disney Plus… my guess is that may be one of the harder demographics to reach… as a movie goer who only has to be pay for my wife and I… I still find movies are about the cheapest form of entertainment when leaving the house

By the way as an adult without children I am not saying adults can not enjoy some of those other animated films…I am unabashedly am a Disney fan

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

First Movie did $800 million. Second Movie did $500 million. Maybe the third will do $350 million?

Going by Disneys way of working, it will loose money and they'll call it a success.

No no…Disney only MAKES money…because of D+

That’s what Bob does all day…slides $20 across his desk…runs around to receive it…slides it back…and then back…and back…and back…

CHAAAAA-CHIIINNNGGG!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Well in Disneys case, it's not retreating to anything. It's been their primary business model for a very long time now. That's why it's funny. "Focus on quality over quantity" then announce a 3rd movie in the series. This isn't a change in strategy at all, it's the same old same old for Disney. Maybe Maleficent 3 is a D+ movie. That would be a smarter move in my opinion.

Back in the “good ol days” the sequels were all direct to video releases, now they are billed as tentpole films, and it’s worked in many instances… might be time to make them direct to streaming and adjust the budgets accordingly.

D+ would be an amazing place to have sequels, prequels, side stories, backstories, etc but Disney seems determined to try to make all those stories box office hits (with budgets to match their expectations).

 

[TP2000]

They have a wealth of IP that they could use and doesn’t need to have insane budgets?

Could they not make an original Mickey Mouse movie? Duck Tales ? I dunno anything that isn’t a sequel of a sequel that have all come out in the last 10 years

I'm a huge fan of the Viva Navidad! street party show at DCA for Christmas.

If you haven't seen it, it's hosted by The Three Caballeros and features dozens of dancers and musicians dressed as Mexicans and Brazilians. I would love to see a new movie based on The Three Caballeros that visited Mexico and Brazil on some sort of madcap adventure before ending up back in the USA.

So much box office potential with some of their unused and/or forgotten characters!

This video is cued up at the grand finale' of Viva Navidad. If this doesn't get you in the Christmas spirit, you're already dead.

 

[Ghost93]

Maybe Maleficent 3 is a D+ movie. That would be a smarter move in my opinion.

Disney Plus movies don't really make profit. All they do is help prevent some people from cancelling existing subscriptions. Spending $150-$200 million on a Disney Plus movie is not worth it at all.

Hocus Pocus 2 could have made a lot of money at the box office due to the demand for it, but that potential was squandered with a direct to streaming release.

 

[TP2000]

Disney Plus movies don't really make profit. All they do is help prevent some people from cancelling existing subscriptions. Spending $150-$200 million on a Disney Plus movie is not worth it at all.

Hocus Pocus 2 could have made a lot of money at the box office due to the demand for it, but that potential was squandered with a direct to streaming release.

Bingo!

And this is the perfect time for my monthly post about how my tiny, pea-sized brain will never be able to understand how Disney+ will ever make any money. TV budgets must remain small for TV shows to work. Movie budgets are bigger, and Disney's budgets are the biggest of them all! ($250 for The Little Mermaid remake, $300 Million for Indy 5, $200 Million for most everything else in 2023, etc.)

So spending bloated movie sized budgets on TV shows is a recipe for financial disaster. Also known as "Disney+".

Heck, in my day you had to wait at least three or four years before they put popular movies on TV. I remember Airport from 1970 didn't show up on TV until just a year or two before Airport '75 came out. And we all stayed home to watch it because it was a big, fancy movie like Airport! It felt almost naughty to not have to buy a movie ticket to see it.

 

[erasure fan1]

Disney Plus movies don't really make profit. All they do is help prevent some people from cancelling existing subscriptions. Spending $150-$200 million on a Disney Plus movie is not worth it at all.

Well the point of it being on D+ is not spending $150mil plus on it. They HAVE to spend money on D+, it's the whole point of the service. They just need to be smarter with the budgets.