LittleBuford
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It certainly isn't a place where good-faith discussion is easy to come by.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Sirwalterraleigh
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DisneyHead123
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Ok, an attempt to meet in the middle… since a recent opinion poll found approximately 40% of the nation has a negative opinion of Disney as a company, I’d say a substantial number of people are judging them negatively and not giving them the benefit of the doubt out of the gate, with new releases. A movie that absolutely dazzles might (might) be able to make that 40% forget their reservations and show up anyways, but a 6 or even 7 out of 10 kinda movie will suffer as a result. Call it deep skepticism and even customer aversion vs. an official boycott, if you will.
LittleBuford
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I stand by everything I wrote in that thread. It needed to be said, and I'm glad I said it.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Polling (yes…I’ve studied that too….hobby and in actual academia)…has to be evaluated from a process standpoint too
In this case - three key parameters:
1. When was it conducted?
2. How was the data collected?
3. What was the sample size?
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erasure fan1
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Exactly, that's why I used Batman as a comparison. Not many people thought it had a real chance after the ungodly dumpster fire that was Batman and Robin. I mean the dialogue alone in that movie makes Lucas prequel writing seem like Shakespeare. I hate sand, it's course....
When they announced Batman begins, I just kind of laughed and said oh well. But then I saw the film and it brought back the franchise in one swoop. It will take the right people to make star wars work again. Dave isn't enough, at least as long as the two people who have the least understanding of the ip are still around and at the top of the food chain.DisneyHead123
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So what are you saying, that 40% of the country likely doesn’t have an unfavorable opinion of Disney?
I’m open to the idea that said poll was incorrect, but then we have no data and we’re just shooting the sh*t trading opinions. Which is also fine - I see an informal boycott, you don’t. We may get more info with time.
Vegas Disney Fan
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It’s amazing they managed to redeem it and make a couple amazing movies and then completely ruin it again.Exactly, that's why I used Batman as a comparison. Not many people thought it had a real chance after the ungodly dumpster fire that was Batman and Robin. I mean the dialogue alone in that movie makes Lucas prequel writing seem like Shakespeare. I hate sand, it's course....
Sirwalterraleigh
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Exactly, that's why I used Batman as a comparison. Not many people thought it had a real chance after the ungodly dumpster fire that was Batman and Robin. I mean the dialogue alone in that movie makes Lucas prequel writing seem like Shakespeare. I hate sand, it's course....
It’s top 5 best trilogies ever…maybe even 1?
Cause there’s no stinker. They all get better each time. Visuals, portrayals, score…writing.
Just look at the chops of the actors in those roles?
Even rises…which could have only been a letdown…is underrated. The first 2 were immaculate
And Dave…you love his passion…but he’s not a studio runner/screenwriter to relaunch Star Wars
He is a pens diehard fan…so I love him…but they need someone better. Or a better administrative studio head, a better story boss to be the runner, and an ironclad non-interference clause from the Dopey Suite
And if you build it…they will come
With lots of cash
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DisneyHead123
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If you’re wondering why I don’t link the poll, btw, I’m hoping you’ll Google it because it’s a pain in the behind to insert links on my phone.
“Disney opinion poll”, it’ll pop right up.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I think that polling was taken in a “charged” environment that has dissipated a lot.
And I think “unfavorable” is mostly due to economic realities more than “messaging”
…I’ve said that 100 times and will watch to see where it goes?
…that doesn’t make me an expert…I’m just bored and don’t sleep much
Sirwalterraleigh
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But they didn’t…
They had one that was passable and now is lauded by old fans in shell shock
Call me Leonardo on that one
Casper Gutman
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NO ONE IN THIS THREAD IS SAYING THE CONTROVERSY IS THE PRIMARY REASON DISNEY'S FILMS ARE STRUGGLING.Nobody’s lying about you.
Here’s what wrong with: “bigots and trolls in America downed (insert Disney 2023 flop title here)”
It covers the whole planet…cause these movies are sucking in all countries.
That’s what he’s trying to explain as the fallacy of the argument…along with others.
And some of yinz…repeatedly…keep trying to rephrase it and blame the 5 Angry American guys…over and over again.
The ole “last person talking wins” trick.
I know…because I wasn’t talking about it.
You think that’s what sunk it?
I saw the movie in pleasure island…and while I actually appreciated the story…I knew right then why it flopped.
Maybe I’ll try this it Latin?
How do you say: “the movie wasn’t right for buzz lightyear…it was too long and didn’t fit the character developed over 25 years”…in Latin?
You consistently refuse to read or understand what other posters are saying. You also change your position constantly - sometimes the controversy is not a factor at all, sometimes Disney needs to massively slow down diversity or hide it (somehow) because its impacting their films.
And you're rude.
And if you think the forces driving the war against Disney are confined to the USA, you really, REALLY need to read the news more frequently.
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Casper Gutman
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No one knowledgeable thought Batman had been broken by Schumacher. That's utter fannish hyperbole.Exactly, that's why I used Batman as a comparison. Not many people thought it had a real chance after the ungodly dumpster fire that was Batman and Robin. I mean the dialogue alone in that movie makes Lucas prequel writing seem like Shakespeare. I hate sand, it's course....
LittleBuford
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You are being deliberately obtuse. As I have already told you, I was responding sarcastically to characterisations made by another poster. I have never said anything negative about American cinema-goers. Why would I? I chose to make this country my home. I live here, work here, and pay taxes here. My partner of over a decade is American. And if all that weren't enough, the US has my undying appreciation for giving the world Disney.
Your brand of trolling is especially insidious, because it's couched in eloquence and wit. But at the end of the day, when you continue to lie about another poster despite having repeatedly been corrected, you are just a troll, even if a genteel one.
Advisable Joseph
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Thinking about overseas markets, isn't Wish performing much better where it is not competing with Trolls?
TP2000
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Uh.... Is this an Estonia question?
Advisable Joseph
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For instance, Wish is opening well in France and Germany?
This is really the wrong thread, but it is where the post I was referring to was.
This is really the wrong thread, but it is where the post I was referring to was.
TP2000
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No, this is the perfect thread for box office data.
France, and Germany debuted Wish this past weekend. Their box office is included in the $39 Million total overseas box office reported in this thread earlier today.
Breaking it down by country, the French seem to like Wish better than the Germans for some reason. Without Googling, I remember France has about 68 Million citizens, or almost twice the population of California, and Germany has ten million more or so. Which means Frenchmen liked Wish more than Germans. Why, who knows?
Box Office for Wish as of December 4th, 2023:
France = $4.3 Million
Germany = $3.2 Million
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Wish (2023) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Wish (2023) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
www.the-numbers.com
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BrianLo
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Sorry, I was forward looking. My thoughts from one paragraph spilled into the next.
It's tracking to be Illuminations' worst ever opening weekend, by a wide margin. We can wait to see what shade of bad it is, but that wasn't really my point. Theatrical original animation is struggling and it is studio agnostic.
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