Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’m sure Bud Light would have said the same thing after 40 years in business.

Fortunately for Disney they still have the theme parks, they are unique enough to be much harder to boycott than movies or beer.

There’s a hundred equal (or better) alternatives for BL, not quite so easy to replace the parks.

 

[TP2000]

If you swapped frozen with wish in this time period…frozen would still be packing them in and wish still would be “tepid” at best

Wish sucks…period.

I had forgotten that both Frozen movies were Thanksgiving releases, just like Wish. The differences in box office are shocking. Especially when you see that both Frozen movies had overseas box office that was more than double the already huge domestic box office for both movies. And then you look at the overseas box office for Wish.

File this one under How The Mighty Have Fallen!....

Or, perhaps file this one under Foreigners Are More American Than Actual Americans!...

 

[LittleBuford]

Yes, exactly.

I don't mean to pick on @LittleBuford, as he is not the only one to use that inaccurate line of attack against American moviegoing habits, but the comment he just posted was perfect for this topic.

This is not an American box office problem, it's a global box office problem. And for most of these flops from Disney, Americans are paying for movie tickets at a higher rate than foreigners are. Why is that? Why do foreign cultures dislike these movies more than Americans?

I don't know what you're talking about. I have never once framed this as an American issue, much less attacked "American moviegoing habits". Please refrain from lying about me again in your future posts.

 

[LittleBuford]

Politico-nonsense aside…the plot didn’t work for buzz Lightyear…it retconned him…
He wasn’t beloved as a sad, tragic figure and there was about 2 hours of film on that.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the lesbian kiss.

 

[TP2000]

I don't know what you're talking about. I have never once framed this as an American issue, much less attacked "American moviegoing habits". Please refrain from lying about me again in your future posts.

What did you mean by this then? I get that your post quoted below was sarcastic, which I actually enjoy, but if it's not sarcastic I'm genuinely confused which country you were criticizing for not spending more money on tickets to Strange World and Lightyear? You were referring to America here, right?

The rollout was too extreme! A blink-and-you’d-miss-it lesbian kiss isn’t incremental enough, and a sweet, non-explicit romance between two teenage boys is an outrageous thing to portray in a country where gay marriage has been legal for ten years!

 

[LittleBuford]

What did you mean by this then? I get that your post quoted below was sarcastic, which I actually enjoy, but if it's not sarcastic I'm genuinely confused which country you were criticizing for not spending more money on tickets to Strange World and Lightyear? You were referring to America here, right?

I wasn't criticising or referring to any country. I was responding sarcastically to @Sirwalterraleigh's claim that Disney has mishandled its rollout of "minority characters".

 

[TP2000]

I wasn't criticising or referring to any country.

Oh.

...an outrageous thing to portray in a country where gay marriage has been legal for ten years!

 

[CinematicFusion]

Nothing is ever completely dead. It probably won't change under Kennedy. But if Batman can come back after what Schumacher did to the franchise, Star wars can as well. It's just going to take a Nolan to come along and create something great.

I’m exaggerating of course but I don’t see Star Wars ever returning to its former glory on the big screen. But .. another vision, reboots… who knows

 

[LittleBuford]

Oh.

It’s a sarcastic response to @Sirwalterraleigh, not a criticism of the US. You’re clever enough to see that.

 

[TP2000]

It’s a sarcastic response to @Sirwalterraleigh, not a criticism of the US. You’re clever enough to see that.

Apparently, I'm not.

 

[flynnibus]

I think a substantial portion of the population (not a huge portion, but a significant one,) is straight up boycotting Disney and all of their movies at the moment. I’m not saying that’s fair - I don’t think it is - but I think that’s the reality.

I think you over estimate the fortitude of the sheep. They just wander where the Shepard herds them.. they aren't actually smart enough to dig in themselves and actually commit to abstaining from something.

 

[erasure fan1]

I’m exaggerating of course but I don’t see Star Wars ever returning to its former glory on the big screen. But .. another vision, reboots… who knows

I don't see it happening under this current Disney. As long as Iger and Kennedy walk the halls, it would be a miracle if theatrical star wars hits big.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't know what you're talking about. I have never once framed this as an American issue, much less attacked "American moviegoing habits". Please refrain from lying about me again in your future posts.

Nobody’s lying about you.

Here’s what wrong with: “bigots and trolls in America downed (insert Disney 2023 flop title here)”

It covers the whole planet…cause these movies are sucking in all countries.

That’s what he’s trying to explain as the fallacy of the argument…along with others.

And some of yinz…repeatedly…keep trying to rephrase it and blame the 5 Angry American guys…over and over again.

The ole “last person talking wins” trick.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the lesbian kiss.

I know…because I wasn’t talking about it.

You think that’s what sunk it?
I saw the movie in pleasure island…and while I actually appreciated the story…I knew right then why it flopped.
Maybe I’ll try this it Latin?

How do you say: “the movie wasn’t right for buzz lightyear…it was too long and didn’t fit the character developed over 25 years”…in Latin?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think a substantial portion of the population (not a huge portion, but a significant one,) is straight up boycotting Disney and all of their movies at the moment. I’m not saying that’s fair - I don’t think it is - but I think that’s the reality.

A substantial portion of the population is rejecting forgettable, bad idea efforts

That’s the take away beyond the shiny light statements and bravado

 

[LittleBuford]

Here’s what wrong with: “bigots and trolls in America downed (insert Disney 2023 flop title here)”

Not my position. I've repeatedly responded with scorn to the idea that a fleeting gay kiss would keep droves of cinema-goers, American or otherwise, from Lightyear. It failed because it's boring, as I've noted multiple times.

That said, I have acknowledged in recent weeks that some of this Culture War stuff does appear to be a contributing factor to Disney's recent troubles. This is by no means an issue limited to the US, and I have never suggested it is. As a Briton, I'm all too aware of how widespread these developments are.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m exaggerating of course but I don’t see Star Wars ever returning to its former glory on the big screen. But .. another vision, reboots… who knows

I don't see it happening under this current Disney. As long as Iger and Kennedy walk the halls, it would be a miracle if theatrical star wars hits big.

It’s not going away…but I think the glory is over this time.

That’s the one inexcusable mistake I put wholly on Disney.
They HAD the knowledge of the prequel mistakes…and managed to make bigger ones…

There’s more bad film with labels on it than good now.
And bob’s theory of labels is crashing down like Harrison ford on his way for his next cash grab in California from the ranch.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not my position. I've repeatedly responded with scorn to the idea that a fleeting gay kiss would keep droves of cinema-goers, American or otherwise, from Lightyear. It failed because it's boring, as I've said repeatedly.

I've also acknowledged that some of this Culture War does appear to be a contributing factor to Disney's recent troubles. That is by no means an issue limited to the US, and I have never said anything to suggest such.

No…it’s that the movie sucked

So don’t try to be cute with the “what’s that have to do with the mom’s” attempt at wit…

Homie ain’t playing

 

[LittleBuford]

No…it’s that the movie sucked

That's what I said anyway. Look again at my actual words:

"I've repeatedly responded with scorn to the idea that a fleeting gay kiss would keep droves of cinema-goers, American or otherwise, from Lightyear. It failed because it's boring, as I've said repeatedly."

Perhaps if you actually bothered reading my posts, you wouldn't waste so much time muddling your responses to them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Nothing is ever completely dead. It probably won't change under Kennedy. But if Batman can come back after what Schumacher did to the franchise, Star wars can as well. It's just going to take a Nolan to come along and create something great.

Batman came back because of the nolan brothers and Warner having nowhere to go but up with it

Disney is far too arrogant to be that pragmatic

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's what I said anyway. Look again at my actual words:

"I've repeatedly responded with scorn to the idea that a fleeting gay kiss would keep droves of cinema-goers, American or otherwise, from Lightyear. It failed because it's boring, as I've said repeatedly."

Perhaps if you actually bothered reading my posts, you wouldn't waste so much time muddling your responses to them.

Yeah…what a clinic

Thankfully this isn’t off the rails like that musk/Twitter thread, huh?