Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disstevefan1

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Putting this here since budgets have been discussed, Secret Invasion’s budget is $212m:
If my math is right that’s $35m per episode for a show that’s not exactly setting the world on fire.
WOW! She Hulk was 25M per episode. She Hulk got cheated. I say D+ should give She Hulk another season as reparations.
 

Ghost93

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Putting this here since budgets have been discussed, Secret Invasion’s budget is $212m:
If my math is right that’s $35m per episode for a show that’s not exactly setting the world on fire.
I don't know where the money is being spent, because the show seems pretty low-budget. Not at all comparable to shows like Game of Thrones, Stranger Things and Andor.
 

TalkingHead

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I don't know where the money is being spent, because the show seems pretty low-budget. Not at all comparable to shows like Game of Thrones, Stranger Things and Andor.
Guessing a good chunk is spent on cast. Personally think spending that amount on a streaming series is a worse decision than any of the theatrical budgets that have been scrutinized the last couple months.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Guessing a good chunk is spent on cast. Personally think spending that amount on a streaming series is a worse decision than any of the theatrical budgets that have been scrutinized the last couple months.
From all the sources I can find, it appears that between $40M-50M of it is just main cast, with Jackson getting $20M alone.
 

Tha Realest

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From all the sources I can find, it appears that between $40M-50M of it is just main cast, with Jackson getting $20M alone.
Yes. Unlike films where they could hopefully get back end profits, the big actors demand a premium up front for their time, since that’s the only check they’ll get
 

Robbiem

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Hollywood is in a catch 22 moment

Big budget spectaculars are they way the studios are trying to drive people back to theatres but now a sizeable chunk of people wait to watch on streaming. With a few big movies a year people will pick and mix when they shell out so a family’s cinema revenue becomes one months streaming subs

streaming needs premiers to keep subscribers from cord cutting this would drive you to make more smaller movies so you can advertise new content. Smaller movies won’t drive people back to theatres so……

Realistically I’m not sure how you can operate a streaming and cinema model unless you separate them out into different products with different budgets
 

BuddyThomas

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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Putting this here since budgets have been discussed, Secret Invasion’s budget is $212m:
If my math is right that’s $35m per episode for a show that’s not exactly setting the world on fire.
More failed strategy inbound…
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yes. Unlike films where they could hopefully get back end profits, the big actors demand a premium up front for their time, since that’s the only check they’ll get
Actually this has changed, actors get residuals now for streaming programs. I believe the current contract for SAG-AFTRA had residuals kicking in 90 days after original release of the show. This might be something renegotiated as part of the new contract.
 

Disney Analyst

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Original Poster
I can't support Tom or his films because of the horrible cult he is a member of, that actively harms families across America and the globe, using him and his fame as their proxy.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Mission: Impossible is probably my favorite ongoing film series.

Not a single film in the series has ever broken 800 million.
I saw it last night. It was good, but just more of the same.

Tom gets mission, Tom glares, Tom runs, Tom fights some bad guys, more Tom running, helps girl who always seems to get into trouble (a trope they make a joke of in the movie), more Tom running, Tom rides a motorcycle, end Part One.

So yeah I think it'll do well but I'm not seeing over $800M, which is breakeven I think, but we'll see.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Actually this has changed, actors get residuals now for streaming programs. I believe the current contract for SAG-AFTRA had residuals kicking in 90 days after original release of the show. This might be something renegotiated as part of the new contract.
They’re pathetically low…the streams guard their numbers (cause they got a lot to hide)…and the talent want “per clicks”…which is never gonna happen

This stuff isn’t tied to ads anymore. That’s the problem.

espn has an empty office, a houseplant and Stephen A Smith left

…same problem…ads paid the bills
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Putting this here since budgets have been discussed, Secret Invasion’s budget is $212m:
If my math is right that’s $35m per episode for a show that’s not exactly setting the world on fire.
But the merch alone…

Just wait until the DVD sales start rolling in.

Speaking of merchandise sales, today I added to my Prime Day shopping cart two different official Ken costumes to wear this Halloween and in a few weeks. I've got a group of 6 other people going with me to see Barbie at the fabulous Del Mar Cinepolis, and while they are rounding up their purses and phones to move to the car, I'm going to come out into the driveway wearing a Rollerblade Ken costume and pretend I'm going as Rollerblade Ken to the theater. Just to scare the crap out of them, as I don't really have the guts to wear that in public. Too creepy.

But my Cowboy Ken costume I also bought will be put into the dinner party rotation this October. I can't wait. 🤣
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
They’re pathetically low…the streams guard their numbers (cause they got a lot to hide)…and the talent want “per clicks”…which is never gonna happen

This stuff isn’t tied to ads anymore. That’s the problem.

espn has an empty office, a houseplant and Stephen A Smith left

…same problem…ads paid the bills
Which is where the ad tier comes in, which at launch last winter had just over 25% of the subs for D+. That's potentially a lot of cheddar coming into the mouse....
 

TP2000

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Which is 90s cable…and people hated it and have been weened off ads for 20 years

Easy to cancel…one swipe…

Doesn’t require being home on a Tuesday for the Comcast guy to climb a pole

I just love that with one push of a button on my TV remote and I can instantly cancel the service for months at a time. Then push one button on my remote TV, and I sign back up for another month or two. Then... goodbye.

That's the one big mistake I think they all made with streaming. I believe the first streaming services like Netflix and Prime did it to get away from paying banks of phone operators to hassle with you for 20+ minutes at a time if you want to cancel after being on hold for half an hour. It was cheaper and saved labor to make it instant service options online, but now they're screwed. No going back, either.

I will never, never, never get it through my pea-sized and gin-addled brain how Disney+ was ever supposed to make money for them.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Which is 90s cable…and people hated it and have been weened off ads for 20 years

Easy to cancel…one swipe…

Doesn’t require being home on a Tuesday for the Comcast guy to climb a pole

I watch D+ a lot but the price is already reaching my breaking point, I’m on a combo plan with D+ (no commercials), ESPN+ and Hulu (with commercials) and I think I’m at $15, if they offer that again I’ll renew but if they make me switch to the current no commercial plan ($20) it’s going to be 50/50 whether I cancel or not.

The ironic thing is I watch a ton of old stuff on D+ (as background while cleaning, working on the computer, etc) and I own 90% of it on Blu-ray and DVD, I’m paying for the convenience more than anything, at $20 a month I’ll get up and put in a bluray.
 

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