Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Cool, now comes the part when we valorize the sexual predator. I assume you remember the wild success of Luck?

Pixar's success was based on a brain trust of which, yes, Lasseter was a part, but only a part. Since he left, they've released Soul, Luca, and Turning Red, all of which have been very good. I haven't seen Elemental, but it seems to be rebuilding Pixar's theatrical rep quite nicely.

You can't say that the studio didn't change for the worse after he left. The reason he left has nothing to do with it.

Artists are weird…and ALWAYS have been

You aware of some of the weird/sick crap da Vinci, Van Gogh, Monet did?

Edgar Allen Poe?
Dickens?

How about Elvis?

To say nothing of this guy:

The concept of separating the “art from
The artist” is not a new idea.

Nobody has to condone lasseter being “Mr drunky touchy”

 

[ppete1975]

Cool, now comes the part when we valorize the sexual predator. I assume you remember the wild success of Luck?

Pixar's success was based on a brain trust of which, yes, Lasseter was a part, but only a part. Since he left, they've released Soul, Luca, and Turning Red, all of which have been very good. I haven't seen Elemental, but it seems to be rebuilding Pixar's theatrical rep quite nicely.

I liked Fat Albert and the cosby show- I dont condone bill cosby
OJ simpson was an amazing football player- he murdered 2 people
Michael jackson was an amazing creative artist- his childhood or lack of one created an odd individual- how much depends on who you ask
I really liked the flash movie- i knew nothing about ezra miller but now despise him.. still liked the movie though
Kang is an amazing character and jonathon majors is a great actor- we will wait and see how his trial goes to see if he has a career.

You see I learned years ago to separate people from their characters, I can still enjoy michael jacksons music, fat albert, the flash movie and everything kang did (plus creed 3 and devotion). That doesn't mean i condone the people that portray those characters or the artistry they provide.

That is also why I have always thought the parks should never have an ellen, eric idle, judi dench (examples of real life people in attractions, not based on actions) or the bust of bill cosby, or any other recognizable voice or character in the parks. It takes one action to turn a billion dollar ride into controversy. And yes that includes GOTG. I have always believed they stay with animated characters over real life people, because donald duck will not be caught being pee wee herman.

 

[Casper Gutman]

There is a big difference between saying, “Michael Jackson was a sexual predator but also an amazing performer,” and “John Lasseter is a sexual predator, but I credit him as the key figure in the success of dozens of films produced using Hollywood’s most collaborative development process, including films with which he was almost totally uninvolved, and blame what I perceive as the decline in quality of subsequent films on his forced departure.” The second statement is going to extreme lengths to credit Lasseter with other people’s work and erases hundreds of creators for his benefit. It’s bending over backwards to give him accolades he doesn’t deserve, and it’s fair to ask why.

John Lasseter is a sexual predator but also a skilled animation director and part of a creative team that produced many great films, though his subsequent work makes clear how important that collaborative process was.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There is a big difference between saying, “Michael Jackson was a sexual predator but also an amazing performer,” and “John Lasseter is a sexual predator, but I credit him as the key figure in the success of dozens of films produced using Hollywood’s most collaborative development process, including films with which he was almost totally uninvolved, and blame what I perceive as the decline in quality of subsequent films on his forced departure.” The second statement is going to extreme lengths to credit Lasseter with other people’s work and erases hundreds of creators for his benefit. It’s bending over backwards to give him accolades he doesn’t deserve, and it’s fair to ask why.

John Lasseter is a sexual predator but also a skilled animation director and part of a creative team that produced many great films, though his subsequent work makes clear how important that collaborative process was.

So are you agreeing with your point or completely disputing it?

Having a hard time keeping up with this one?

 

[TP2000]

I liked Fat Albert and the cosby show- I dont condone bill cosby
OJ simpson was an amazing football player- he murdered 2 people
Michael jackson was an amazing creative artist- his childhood or lack of one created an odd individual- how much depends on who you ask
I really liked the flash movie- i knew nothing about ezra miller but now despise him.. still liked the movie though
Kang is an amazing character and jonathon majors is a great actor- we will wait and see how his trial goes to see if he has a career.

You see I learned years ago to separate people from their characters, I can still enjoy michael jacksons music, fat albert, the flash movie and everything kang did (plus creed 3 and devotion). That doesn't mean i condone the people that portray those characters or the artistry they provide.

That is also why I have always thought the parks should never have an ellen, eric idle, judi dench (examples of real life people in attractions, not based on actions) or the bust of bill cosby, or any other recognizable voice or character in the parks. It takes one action to turn a billion dollar ride into controversy. And yes that includes GOTG. I have always believed they stay with animated characters over real life people, because donald duck will not be caught being pee wee herman.

Brilliant assessment, I couldn't agree more.

On vacations I often rent a car from Hertz, and when I see the Hertz logo at the airport I still think of OJ running through the airport in the old TV commercials, and then I also think about the two innocent people he murdered 15 years later. Hertz must hate that, but it's just human nature. But I still reliably rent from Hertz when I'm on vacation. I like Hertz. They put me in the driver's seat.

But putting real life "celebs" into the parks is a minefield, because so many "celebs" are weirdos and nutjobs and criminal cases just waiting to happen. Especially in this current social media and Post-Me Too age. Parks audiences are not dumb people, they can separate the celeb from their crimes and latest creepiness, but Parks audiences shouldn't have to do that. Best to let a boat ride be hosted by Donald Duck rather than a celebrity that may eventually be shown in handcuffs on TMZ.

 

[DKampy]

The budget for Dominion was only 185mil as far as I've seen. Mermaid was 250. Fast x has taken its share of lumps for budget and performance, just like mermaid. We still have to wait and see if M:I pays off.

you must of seen a misprint somewhere cause the reports I had seen on Dominion had a 2 in front of that 85

 

[BrianLo]

Can’t wait to see how they spin more subscriber loss?

I thought you were smarter than that. The obsession with subscriber counts caused this whole problem to begin with. It never made a lick of sense other than maybe the shock that Disney was able to get up to scale so quickly. But it’s the money that matters.

Iger is perfectly capable of paying ten billion in cricket rights to goose the Indian subscriber count again… but that didn’t work out so hot for Chapek.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I thought you were smarter than that. The obsession with subscriber counts caused this whole problem to begin with. It never made a lick of sense other than maybe the shock that Disney was able to get up to scale so quickly. But it’s the money that matters.

Iger is perfectly capable of paying ten billion in cricket rights to goose the Indian subscriber count again… but that didn’t work out so hot for Chapek.

It’s one part of a bigger picture

You are allowed to consider more than one thing.

Instead of trying desperately to claim “victory” on one detail

Like mermaid’s domestic gross…which isn’t that hot anyway. But that didn’t stop that angle either…

 

[BrianLo]

It’s one part of a bigger picture

You are allowed to consider more than one thing.

Instead of trying desperately to claim “victory” on one destail

Like mermaid’s domestic gross…which isn’t that hot anyway. But that didn’t stop that angle either…

Lol, pot meet kettle. The whole problem with this sub forum is people being incapable of considering more than one detail. Like those who have a melt down at the suggestion TLM is both disappointing and made money. Didn’t make it in the box office but did in the back end. Did good domestically and failed hard in some foreign markets. Was middling critically but surprisingly well regarded with domestic audiences.

It’s ok to hold all those concepts in your head… or wait, do we not actually care about the bigger picture after all?

Back to subscribers, yes if there is significant core subscriber shed, revenue shrinks or they fail to start cost containment, those are all certainly problems. Losing another few million out of India isn’t.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Lol, pot meet kettle. The whole problem with this sub forum is people being incapable of considering more than one detail. Like those who have a melt down at the suggestion TLM is both disappointing and made money. Didn’t make it in the box office but did in the back end. Did good domestically and failed hard in some foreign markets. Was middling critically but surprisingly well regarded with domestic audiences.

It’s ok to hold all those concepts in your head… or wait, do we not actually care about the bigger picture after all?

Back to subscribers, yes if there is significant core subscriber shed, revenue shrinks or they fail to start cost containment, those are all certainly problems. Losing another few million out of India isn’t.

This entire box office charade has been pretty clear.

Excuses for Disney when something doesn’t go well…your side…followed by exaggeration on the business end of a hammer…my side

The saying is the “truth is somewhere where in the middle”?

It is…just not at the halfway point.

They really did mess up here and it’s been a slow roll unfolding. On many business planes.
And it’s a business…it’s not art for creativity’s sake.

If these movies were hits…and if they were selling out lightning lanes and nonsense upsells all over Disney parks…the sides would flip 180 degrees.

It sucks there’s always “sides”…but that’s how the e-lords designed the internet.

Don’t think bankruptcy or a breakup is on deck…but real problems that need real solutions.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Did you like anything at all about TLM? What about Halle Bailey? I heard she was good but I haven’t been able to see the movie yet.

I thought the acting was decent, the story was just weak.

 

[Chi84]

I thought the acting was decent, the story was just weak.

I haven’t been able to see it yet. What made the story weak? I know there’s something about Ursula people didn’t like.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I thought the acting was decent, the story was just weak.

Lost in all this…and the remakes…is that the little mermaid was not a good story. Short and too obvious. Even more than some of the others. It makes beauty and the beast look like citizen Kane.

It came along at the right time when Disney was gaining momentum…that’s why it holds a cultural spot.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I haven’t been able to see it yet. What made the story weak? I know there’s something about Ursula people didn’t like.

I can tell what made Indy weak

 

[DKampy]

Also, smaller movies aren’t faring better than blockbusters, as this weekend’s Joyride demonstrates.

which is a shame since Joyride was great…it was raunchy and hilarious, but also a lot of heart and I was invested in the characters…funny how you don ‘t see people running with any narratives like some people did with Bros….despite both being comparative with what was made opening weekend and both being original r rated comedies…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

which is a shame since Joyride was great…it was raunchy and hilarious, but also a lot of heart and I was invested in the characters…funny how you don ‘t see people running with any narratives like some people did with Bros….despite both being comparative with what was made opening weekend and both being original r rated comedies…

Comedy is being abandoned under the NWO…

Many of the writers/directors from the best comedies from the last 30 years have publicly stated that you can’t do anything anymore because comedy thrives when it “searches for the line”…

It’s a shame too people used to make fun of themselves, laugh and move on

 

[Bullseye1967]

I haven’t been able to see it yet. What made the story weak? I know there’s something about Ursula people didn’t like.

It is hard to put into words. You could shorten the movie by an hour and still have the same movie.

 

[Chi84]

It is hard to put into words. You could shorten the movie by an hour and still have the same movie.

You and I have the same attention span

 

[TalkingHead]

Putting this here since budgets have been discussed, Secret Invasion’s budget is $212m:

Disney Shells Out $212 Million On Marvel’s ‘Secret Invasion’

Disney has revealed that its super hero spy drama 'Secret Invasion' is expected to be over budget as its costs have ballooned to $211.6 million (£166.2 million.)

www.forbes.com

If my math is right that’s $35m per episode for a show that’s not exactly setting the world on fire.

 

[Tha Realest]

Putting this here since budgets have been discussed, Secret Invasion’s budget is $212m:

Disney Shells Out $212 Million On Marvel’s ‘Secret Invasion’

Disney has revealed that its super hero spy drama 'Secret Invasion' is expected to be over budget as its costs have ballooned to $211.6 million (£166.2 million.)

www.forbes.com

If my math is right that’s $35m per episode for a show that’s not exactly setting the world on fire.

But the merch alone…