Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Willmark]

Can we not do the sequel argument nonsense?

Why? People are freely sharing their commentary about (paraphrasing) “how the sequels are so much better than prequels.”

I’m guessing you liked TLJ?

Regardless, people in this thread don’t get to lob verbal hand grenades with no rebuttal.

Fact is outside of cadre of exceptionally vocal defenders of TLJ (Twitter is rife with them, especially on the anniversary of the movie's release date) in some sort of attempt to somehow convince the rest of us we’re wrong about its failings; it’s not well received. It split the fan base asunder. My objections to the crappy film have nothing to do with “woke”, it’s simply to me the worst movie of all time. Plan 9 from Outer Space is a better movie.

TLJ was responsible for the damage done to the SW franchise which RoS attempted to repair. The sad part is they actually could have done some very good things even in the framework of the movie but choose to go the route of “subverting expectations” non-sense.

And this Isn’t some old man “get off my lawn moment”. TFA and RoS while having flaws were at least recognizable as SW movies. TLJ in my opinion ranks lower than The Holiday Special and Ewoks: Battle for Endor.

 

[erasure fan1]

Can we not do the sequel argument nonsense?

To be fair, someone gave their opinion about star wars and "so now what happens", the topic of the thread. And then it became star wars fans hate everything. Then you jumped in with a right hook to the prequels. You had to know that was going to bring on a debate.

 

[Jedijax719]

Now, Inside Out 2 becomes the "glimmer of hope". Keep kicking that hope down the line is what Disney is having to do.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They don't have to limit content, just delay the Disney+ debut until other sources of revenue are exhausted.

If they adjust the release pattern, Disney+ will still have new content on a consistent basis. I suspect most people won't unsubscribe if The Little Mermaid debuts in December instead of September. Just give some people that little push to buy the disc or digital copy so they don't have to wait.

It doesn't help that Disney+ is the better option for a lot of movies. They have making-of specials exclusive to Disney+ while discs come with minimal extras. The IMAX versions of MCU movies are exclusive to D+. If I pay $30 for a movie I should get a superior experience versus streamers, but the opposite is true.

The excuse that nobody is going to theaters cause they LOVE Disney+ means that they’re REALLY screwed…
Because Disney plus is a Model that will never make much money.

So you’re saying people will go to theaters if they delay release AND keep a subscription with increasing prices in the interim?

…well…that’s “creative”…for sure

 

[DKampy]

Why? People are freely sharing their commentary about (paraphrasing) “how the sequels are so much better than prequels.”

I’m guessing you liked TLJ?

Regardless, people in this thread don’t get to lob verbal hand grenades with no rebuttal.

Fact is outside of cadre of exceptionally vocal defenders of TLJ (Twitter is rife with them, especially on the anniversary of the movie's release date) in some sort of attempt to somehow convince the rest of us we’re wrong about its failings; it’s not well received. It split the fan base asunder. My objections to the crappy film have nothing to do with “woke”, it’s simply to me the worst movie of all time. Plan 9 from Outer Space is a better movie.

TLJ was responsible for the damage done to the SW franchise which RoS attempted to repair. The sad part is they actually could have done some very good things even in the framework of the movie but choose to go the route of “subverting expectations” non-sense.

And this Isn’t some old man “get off my lawn moment”. TFA and RoS while having flaws were at least recognizable as SW movies. TLJ in my opinion ranks lower than The Holiday Special and Ewoks: Battle for Endor.

So people are wrong for not sharing your opinion… I get why some people did not care for TLJ… I am a Rian Johnson fan and I knew going in he would not give the fans the story they made up in their own brains… and so predictable they could not handle it.

I am also at a point where I view each film on it’s own merits… I don’t watch to see how it’s all
connected… TPM and AotC are unwatchable to me… although I thought RotS was ok

I actually would of liked to have seen what Rian Johnson would have done with his own trilogy separate from the Skywalker saga and wish they would have gone that direction from the get go

 

[Casper Gutman]

So people are wrong for not sharing your opinion… I get why some people did not care for TLJ… I am a Rian Johnson fan and I knew going in he would not give the fans the story they made up in their own brains… and so predictable they could not handle it.

I am also at a point where I view each film on it’s own merits… I don’t watch to see how it’s all
connected… TPM and AotC are unwatchable to me… although I thought RotS was ok

I actually would of liked to have seen what Rian Johnson would have done with his own trilogy separate from the Skywalker saga and wish they would have gone that direction from the get go

Its really not going to do any good to argue with them about TLJ. Best to let it go.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Its really not going to do any good to argue with them about TLJ. Best to let it go.

…a lot of fans with money to spend did JUST that

 

[Tha Realest]

Its really not going to do any good to argue with them about TLJ. Best to let it go.

Yes. So back to current box office, which is the topic here.

What do you and @DKampy make of the 73% second weekend drop for The Marvels? I know at least one of you noted how FNAF’s similar drop was one of the worst things you’ve seen.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Yes. So back to current box office, which is the topic here.

What do you and @DKampy make of the 73% second weekend drop for The Marvels? I know at least one of you noted how FNAF’s similar drop was one of the worst things you’ve seen.

It's a bad drop. You know it's a bad drop. Everyone knows its a bad drop. What do you win?

It was quite a bad weekend overall. Moviegoing habits have changed dramatically. But I understand that the last thing some folks here want to discuss is context.

 

[Willmark]

So people are wrong for not sharing your opinion… I get why some people did not care for TLJ… I am a Rian Johnson fan and I knew going in he would not give the fans the story they made up in their own brains… and so predictable they could not handle it.

I am also at a point where I view each film on it’s own merits… I don’t watch to see how it’s all
connected… TPM and AotC are unwatchable to me… although I thought RotS was ok

I actually would of liked to have seen what Rian Johnson would have done with his own trilogy separate from the Skywalker saga and wish they would have gone that direction from the get go

I said people were wrong for not sharing my opinion? People can have any opinion that they want and brace yourself… so can I.

I stated I disliked the movie and categorically reject anyone telling me what I saw with my own eyes was not what I saw.

Like what you want, that’s my stance. At the same time I 100% reject the the notion I’m somehow “wrong” for my own opinion.

I’ll pass on your implications you’re trying to ascribe to those of us who dislike the movie as you say with “made up in their own brains” and “predictable”, so noted.

The fact that it was bad had nothing to do with the fans. That’s on Rian Johnson giving us such a crappy movie. That’s his fault, no one else’s. It’s telling that his movie resulted in the current state of Disney SW. It’s also telling they (being Disney) realized the disaster he created, reversed course with RoS and canceled his planned/rumored trilogy.

I’ve rather have a root canal with no anesthesia conducted by an individual who is blind, missing fingers, 200 years old and never graduated to get his degree in dentistry or let alone attended school than ever watch TLJ again. /obvious hyperbole

 

[Chi84]

It seems Disney went back to the old formula with Wish and that’s not doing all that well.

 

[erasure fan1]

I am a Rian Johnson fan and I knew going in he would not give the fans the story they made up in their own brains… and so predictable they could not handle it.

This is so far off the mark, but a totally expected statement. Like most of the back and forth on here. It all goes very predictably around here. Queue discussion topic, then when someone doesn't toe the line, it always boils down to bad fans and how they hate everything, are toxic, or they're lying to hide their "true" feelings. The why's of how Disney fractured the fan base have been discussed. And lots of good reasons and criticism have been argued. But in the end it's always angry fanboys! There's no chance maybe they took a wrong turn at Albuquerque? I'm just glad I've been able to enjoy all of this cinematic star wars since ep9. Oh wait... Nevermind.

 

[TalkingHead]

It seems Disney went back to the old formula with Wish and that’s not doing all that well.

Sounds like they frankensteined classic tropes with more modern sensibilities and failed to create a satisfying blend. Not sure a meta fairy tale for the fans is what general audiences want.

 

[Tha Realest]

It's a bad drop. You know it's a bad drop. Everyone knows its a bad drop. What do you win?

It was quite a bad weekend overall. Moviegoing habits have changed dramatically. But I understand that the last thing some folks here want to discuss is context.

Kampy seemed shocked at the 78% drop, noting it’s the worst he’s ever seen. I predicted Marvels would have a similar drop, and as usual, that concern was hand-waved away (much like you’re doing here).

Incidentally, more updated numbers are out, and…Marvels dropped even worse than FNAF. 79% as of now.

All I’m asking for is intellectual honesty when these concerns and predictions are brought forth, and an ownership on bad past takes that don’t bear out.

 

[DKampy]

Its really not going to do any good to argue with them about TLJ. Best to let it go.

You are probably right… we just go in circles

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's a bad drop. You know it's a bad drop. Everyone knows its a bad drop. What do you win?

It was quite a bad weekend overall. Moviegoing habits have changed dramatically. But I understand that the last thing some folks here want to discuss is context.

So they’re underperforming the other studios too…
Nothing to take from that, huh?

It seems Disney went back to the old formula with Wish and that’s not doing all that well.

That doesn’t appear to be the case

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

…so after all the soapboxing about “elevating the conversation”…we’re back to “all Disney critics are wrong”?

…which I coulda prop bet that

 

[Casper Gutman]

Kampy seemed shocked at the 78% drop, noting it’s the worst he’s ever seen. I predicted Marvels would have a similar drop, and as usual, that concern was hand-waved away (much like you’re doing here).

Incidentally, more updated numbers are out, and…Marvels dropped even worse than FNAF. 79% as of now.

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All I’m asking for is intellectual honesty when these concerns and predictions are brought forth, and an ownership on bad past takes that don’t bear out.

No one is slighting you. FNAF had a very bad drop. This is also very bad. No one that I’ve seen has denied that, no one is hand-waving anything. It seems very important to you to “win.” You seem to take personal umbrage at any attempt at nuance and context.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Is Disney really down to 3 movies in all of 2024?

Deadpool 3, Inside Out 2, and Mufasa?

On the plus side they should be profitable next year with that lineup.

 

[Andrew C]

Is Disney really down to 3 movies in all of 2024?

Deadpool 3, Inside Out 2, and Mufasa?

On the plus side they should be profitable next year with that lineup.

Nothing under the touchstone label?