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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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This. And it is sandwhiched between a different sort of, but loyal fanbase that has built across ages for nearly a decade now. Five Nights at Freddy's will be a solid moderate hit even if you are conservative in prediction.
Then Trolls 3 has a family market on the way with the boy and return of N'sync that appeals. (I am not saying Trolls 3 will have a higher box office, however it is another market share that will hurt the way Marvels holds attention.
The Marvels to break 250-300 domestically will take some pretty amazing resonating right now.
Hey, at least Disney didn't release Killers of the Flower Moon.
That one had a Disney-esque $200 Million production budget and yet is a massive flop.
Paramount is going to lose at least $250 Million on that turkey!
Paramount didn't finance the film.
BrianLo
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It's proprietary, but there seems to be a function of box office and streaming success that determines the payment size. Part of what the strikes are about is the lack of transparency and payment.
The trades will eventually be privy to this behind the curtains dollar figure as residuals are determined. Spring of next year we'll see something like 120-150 million paid out to Elemental. Lightyear did 100, so I sure as heck think Elemental will be paid more.
BrianLo
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In its defence, I think Hulu in isolation is actually currently profitable. So taking a bigger share is what it is.
Studios are a separate line item and accounted for separately. Unless you mean the very real destruction of Box Office potential by Chapek's past streaming decision. Totally, that is an indirect consequence of D+.
It is undeniably costly... but at the end of the day there will be a dollar figure and that dollar figure is what it cost for Disney to essentially build their own streamer from scratch rather than acquire one. Well acquire a worldwide streamer at least, they did buy a US one. Not that they could have afforded Netflix per say, but more in theory.
They built their own mini-Netflix and it was capital intensive, but we are seemingly approaching the end of that true cost as we shift to a break even+ scenario in 1-2 quarters (this or next, not the last one that hasn't been reported on yet).
TP2000
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It's murky, to say the least. And yet quarter after quarter, for its entire existence, Disney+ has done nothing but lose hundreds of millions of dollars every 90 days. That can't continue.
I do wonder what sort of reporting or corporate governance changes regarding streaming financials come out of this ongoing actor's strike? It seems as though the actors want a quantifiable and reportable slice of the pie from streaming viewership, and yet streaming mostly loses the studios money.
Might the strike resolution create a union contract that has far more visible and trackable dollar amounts tied to each individual movie or show on a streaming network? That could certainly clear out the current mystery and murk.
Dang, as a Ghostbusters fan who enjoyed the sequel "Afterlife", I am really glad that movie had finished filming and is coming out in Spring next year.
Deadpool 3 rescheduling is imminent.
The SAG Halloween costume guidelines concept is a little insane-o in my eyes.
Deadpool 3 rescheduling is imminent.
The SAG Halloween costume guidelines concept is a little insane-o in my eyes.
Tha Realest
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An existential challenge to their way of life presents itself and they’re worried about costumes. Imbeciles.
Tha Realest
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It is one of my favorite films of all time, but it’s tough to compare to more modern films.
And, if you want to see next level stop motion animation, watch del Toro’s Pinocchio. Impossibly beautiful.
Phroobar
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Del Toro’s Pinocchio was groundbreaking.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
I hope this is wrong.
‘Captain Marvel' Sequel Could Bring In Half Of Original Amid ‘Superhero Fatigue’—Here Are The Best And Worst Performing Films Of The Genre
“The Marvels” is projected to make just more than half of what "Captain Marvel" made when it first premiered in 2019.www.forbes.com
The first one had an inflated box office due to a strategic release schedule.
It came out a month before Endgame so the unspoken message was that you have to see this in the theater to keep up with the story in order to fully appreciate what is sure to be the biggest Marvel movie to date.
It's hard to say how much money it would have made on its' own merits and therefore hard to evaluate how well the second one ultimately does in comparison.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think the confusing Kang plot has turned a lot of people off Marvel. Thanos was a much easier story to follow and get invested in, the Kang plot is simply confusing and the tie in to all the D+ shows makes it even more confusing for those not staying up to date with all the D+ shows.
We've tried to disabuse you of the idea that a theatrical net loss means a total net loss in the following pay-windows.
And yet, you keep up claiming this falsehood over and over again.
I'm not saying that all the big theatrical BO losers are going to eventually make a profit... but most will.
But, go ahead and keep ignoring that and making your false claims. I know I'm not going to convince you, but it will help our dear readers put your cinematic analysis in its proper context.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
From Disney+?
Disney+ hasn't made a profit since it was launched. Including the most recent quarter when Disney+ lost $512 Million, Disney+ has now lost just over $11 Billion for the Walt Disney Company.
"Disney’s streaming operation lost $512 million in the most-recent quarter, the company said, bringing total streaming losses since 2019, when Disney+ was introduced, to more than $11 billion. Disney+ lost roughly 11.7 million subscribers worldwide in the three months that ended July 1, for a new total of 146.1 million."
How? DVD sales?
I will keep not counting Disney+ losses against these already money losing movies, and will simply keep updating the box office data as it is released. How about that?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
When D+ eventually turns a profit then what are you going to harp on.....From Disney+?
Disney+ hasn't made a profit since it was launched. Including the most recent quarter when Disney+ lost $512 Million, Disney+ has now lost just over $11 Billion for the Walt Disney Company.
"Disney’s streaming operation lost $512 million in the most-recent quarter, the company said, bringing total streaming losses since 2019, when Disney+ was introduced, to more than $11 billion. Disney+ lost roughly 11.7 million subscribers worldwide in the three months that ended July 1, for a new total of 146.1 million."
How? DVD sales?
I will keep not counting Disney+ losses against these already money losing movies, and will simply keep updating the box office data as it is released. How about that?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
If that ever happens, I will then be able to go back to discussing all the new lands and rides and shows they are suddenly able to invest in and build in the American parks. That will be a good day. Until then...
TP2000
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So the box office pre-sales tracking and forecasts have been updated today by Box Office Pro. It's not good news for Disney.
The Marvels had its box office forecasts lowered by 9% today, and now is tracking at only a $45 to $67 Million opening weekend. The production budget is reported to be $220 Million, after a $50 Million subsidy from British taxpayers.
Meanwhile, the first box office projection for Disney's Wish is out, and it's horrible. The production budget for WIsh was reported to be $200 Million.
www.boxofficepro.com
The Marvels had its box office forecasts lowered by 9% today, and now is tracking at only a $45 to $67 Million opening weekend. The production budget is reported to be $220 Million, after a $50 Million subsidy from British taxpayers.
Meanwhile, the first box office projection for Disney's Wish is out, and it's horrible. The production budget for WIsh was reported to be $200 Million.
Long Range Box Office Forecast: Disney's WISH and Ridley Scott's NAPOLEON
This year's Thanksgiving weekend could be a welcome feast for exhibition after a string of modest-to-underperforming openers during the holiday corridor in recent post-pandemic years.
www.boxofficepro.com