Decent to great animation attempts at stories are the only things that can save them....hmmm... History repeats I guess.
If it does well Bob gets to say "I did it" ....again.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Decent to great animation attempts at stories are the only things that can save them....hmmm... History repeats I guess.
If it does well Bob gets to say "I did it" ....again.
Disney Irish
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Sure 2023 is going to be the highest since the pandemic. But it will not be as high or higher than 2019 looking at the rest of the calendar, even with your beloved Trolls (which already started releasing) and new love Migration. Heck as much as I think Wish and Marvels might do well I don't even think it'll be enough to turn around this years box office. If it wasn't for a handful of movies this year would have been worse than last year. Which shows how much the BO landscape has changed permanently.
Its becoming increasingly clear that we may not see another BO year like 2018/2019, maybe ever....
Eh. Its pretty down close to 2019 again and like it or not there are more theaters doing business in the world(internationally speaking)
The only thing certain that we can say for this year, even if Wish and Marvels do decently to great is that Disney's ROI was so low, and next year is not looking great either.
That is what the mouse should worry about. The less revenue in the billions would have played differently if Disney would have had their hits for the first 10 months of the year.
As you said, highest grossing year since Pandemic. And who has the sad trombones? Really Disney followed by Paramount. WB, Universal and Sony are happy to have such a group of ROI pictures.
If Marvel's movies did better this year as Disney wished and Elemental broke the 300 mark to boost all of the total revenue to at or beyond 2019's numbers. THe biased would be saying "wow. all the other studios have an issue." Funny how that goes. But since Disney's numbers just were not there for their tent poles nor their moderates, its got to be everyone else's problem at the same level. pfft.
But many will go back to their old mantra. If Disney is hurting, all box office must.
Disney's biggest hope next year is finishing that Deadpool 3 fan service film.
Disney Irish
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Not sure how you can say ending ~15% lower on the year as being "close to 2019 again". And if you look at just 2023 calendar releases, its worse (something like ~25% lower if tracking holds).
We've all said here that Disney has had a rough time of it this year, (will likely lose ~$650M-$750M, maybe more, on the year) no one is disputing that. But the change in BO landscape overall cannot be discounted, no matter how badly Disney is doing compared to its peers.
As for 2024 and beyond, with things being adjusted by all studios not sure it'll be any better than this year especially with a diminishing BO overall. For Disney, Deadpool 3 will hopefully be a hit, maybe Eilo too, a few 20th Century films might do well too. So its not a lost year just yet for Disney, we'll see....
That wouldn't change much. We'd still be talking about how the BO is down overall, just that Disney had done better similar to how some are doing the same for other studios now.
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Indy_UK
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After the autumn box office flops of A Haunting In Venice and The Creator, and now the alarmingly low pre-sales box office figures for The Marvels next month heading into Thanksgiving....
Wish is the last and final hope that one of Disney's flagship mega-budget studios might have a big hit this year.
Imagine that? Disney with a profitable tentpole mega-budget movie!?! Don't tease us. Stop. Don't.
Even if Wish is a Barbie-level hit, Disney will have lost $700 Million at the box office in 2023. $700 Million could have built an E Ticket for WDW, and a night parade each for Disneyland and Magic Kingdom. Sad, but true.
On the other hand, if The Marvels and Wish are both big money losers, Disney will lose $1 Billion+ at the box office this year.
$1 Billion would have been an E Ticket each for WDW and DLR, plus a new night parade for Disneyland and Magic Kingdom. And at least a half dozen refurbished and upgraded break rooms for the CM's, just for fun.
Parks will always loose out. Profit from parks fund a loss making Disney+.
Disney having making mega hit movies like Force Awakens and End game hasn’t given anything back to the parks
The box office is only down overall for the studios that has their major eggs in baskets flop to meh.
Disney being the worse situation and Taylor Swifts production company and Angel Studios probably being the best as a whole roi of their only pitches.
WB and Universal were saved by their hits.
Next year is full of fan service and sequel saturation.
It's only a major problem for the studios that did not have enough hits to megahits to compensate for their budgets.
TP2000
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Which is funny because Disney owned the rights to Sound Of Freedom outright, but for whatever reason refused to release it under one of it's niche studio banners. So it spent some time with the lawyers, and finally Angel Studios got ownership of it.
And then Angel Studios proceeded to sell $184 Million of tickets at the domestic box office with it.
Not that $184 Million would've erased all of Disney's various mega-budget mistakes in 2023. But it at least would have helped.
Disney Irish
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Not quite how the overall box office works as its a combined enterprise for all studios, not just a few. You could postulate that had Disney done better it would have helped, but ticket sales would still be down overall. So it still wouldn't have changed the landscape as much as you think it would.
Either way 2023 is not likely to end up close to 2019, only hope is it'll end up close to 2007/2008 levels.
Dranth
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Really? What was keeping the company afloat during the shut downs or previous economic downturns? How about after 9/11? You don't think the previous success of the studios played into the success of the parks?
People need to stop acting like a bad year at the box office somehow erases the rest of history. It happened before and it will happen again. Walt had nightmare years at the box office that nearly caused the whole company to go bankrupt but without the money the studio produced we don't have Disney parks to being with.
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Animaniac93-98
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Both Nightmare Before Christmas and Hocus Pocus were in the top 10 at the box office yesterday at #4 and #10.
TP2000
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On Friday, Nightmare Before Christmas at #4 sold $1.45 Million in tickets domestically, and Hocus Pocus at #10 sold $200,000 in tickets.
I think it would be fun to do a 2023 Box Office Round-Up! on on New Year's Day 2024 (after I watch the Rose Parade and rehydrate a bit) in this thread to see how well all of Disney's studios and movies did financially at the global box office in '23.
We'll have to remember to add the box office from these two re-releases to the 2023 tally.
So far, since Hocus Pocus was re-released in theaters on October 6th, it has done $3,889,240 in box office domestically. Or roughly $2.3 Million in box office take for Disney (60% take of domestic ticket sales).
Vegas Disney Fan
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Nightmare before Christmas is one movie I’d love to see get a remake, I love the music but am not a huge stop animation fan and would love to see this made with modern CG.
LittleBuford
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I on the other hand would hate this. The whole charm of the film lies in its use of stop-motion animation.
erasure fan1
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No argument there. If they made this movie in modern CG it would just look like a cheap imitation. And if they used the spiderverse, TMNT, puss and boots style that looks like stop motion, there'd be no purpose. The art style and animation was just a perfect storm of awesomeness. It can't be improved in my opinion.
Tony the Tigger
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I love stop motion, Rankin-Bass, etc. but I never got this movie.
LittleBuford
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I would give it another shot. Once you get it, you really get it.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’ve watched it dozens of times, it’s a great movie but the style has never grown on me, I still enjoy the Christmas movies though so maybe it’s a length thing, by the end of the film my eyes hurt from how much it stutters.
LittleBuford
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I don't see any stuttering! The animation looks very smooth and well done to me.
erasure fan1
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You aren't the only one. Just about all my friends and family thought I was nuts for loving it so much. But like @LittleBuford said, once you get it, you really get it. That's why it's grown into such a classic. It wasn't all that successful when originally released. But as people watched it, it grew to be extraordinarily popular.
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TP2000
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I didn't get Nightmare Before Christmas either. Then Disneyland opened its Haunted Mansion Holiday for the first time in October, 2001 and I loved that overlay. So I would rent the VHS when babysitting my young nephews in the early 00's, and I liked the movie much more a decade after it came out. I still think the Nightmare overlay's in both Anaheim and Tokyo are fantastic, and love how they tweak them a bit every year.
Weekend box office is now in, and still belongs to Miss Swift. The Creator and Haunting in Venice have both officially bombed, they have no legs, and are headed for a combined loss of $100+ Million for Disney's 20th Century Studios.
Nightmare Before Christmas re-release did $4.1 Million, and Hocus Pocus did $600,000.
Weekend box office is now in, and still belongs to Miss Swift. The Creator and Haunting in Venice have both officially bombed, they have no legs, and are headed for a combined loss of $100+ Million for Disney's 20th Century Studios.
Nightmare Before Christmas re-release did $4.1 Million, and Hocus Pocus did $600,000.