Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The stockholders, the management, the retail partners, the advertisers
…you know…the “little”
People
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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…you know…the “little”
People
doctornick
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I literally made a multi paragraph post about such issues last week earlier in this thread.
Jedijax719
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Yeah, well, we're not them. And the poster was talking about marketing of the content, not the amount it brings in. In other words, take that up with "management. Meanwhile the rest of us normal people just want to be entertained.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You won’t be entertained at all if they don’t make money…because it won’t get made anymore
And we are back to mermaid…so let’s pass go and collect $200
Casper Gutman
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If I recall, it was full of identity issues - for instance, that Loki is bi (as he is in the comics, as he is in the Norse myths). I’m curious about “preachy” moments, “forced” moments, because those are supposedly the real issues, not just minority representation. I’ll spot you the Proud Family bit - that’s “preachy,” though I believe it’s also well within the tone of the show and thus not likely to upset most regular viewers. What are the two or three other big, “preachy” moments that give offense?
Heppenheimer
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Wow, file that with great "what-ifs" that I would love to have seen. He would have been the perfect director.
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Heppenheimer
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I don't remember anything about Loki being bisexual in the Prose and Poetic Edda, but there was this interesting episode:
Svaðilfari - Wikipedia
I'd think it best if Disney didn't borrow too heavily from the Norse legends.
Jedijax719
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Let's worry about that when/if it happens. Meanwhile, we don't need every post about content to be trolled by a "but, but, but money, and profit, and stuff". It gets repetitive and annoying. It must be miserable to only worry about that.You won’t be entertained at all if they don’t make money…because it won’t get made anymore
And we are back to mermaid…so let’s pass go and collect $200
Midwest Elitist
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You're damn right. But, it's very simple to remedy the hate: have things MAKE SENSE
All the videogames and alt universe endeavors from the early 2000s respected the universe that was created in the original Star Wars.
The prequels were meh, but are still accepted as canon to fans.
The sequels? Lol. NO.
MrPromey
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This trailer seems very polarizing and I'm curious as to why.
It appears to me, somebody took the criticism of Captain Marvel's character from the first movie and End Game and through the mash-up with Miss Marvel, are trying to create a sort of odd-couple (trio) scenario where that kind of character can still exist but be used as a straight (wo)man that can be more likable and softened a little through mild comedy and tensino created with an opposite partner/foil.*
To me, the message of the trailer is that this movie is supposed to be fun and not necessarily the same kind of high-stakes end-of-the-universe-as-we-know-it movie the way all the other recent ones have been which I personally kind of welcome, if so.
That said, this ain't my first rodeo and more than once, I've come out of a movie wishing whoever had made the trailer had also been who made the movie so I wouldn't call myself excited to see this, given my feelings on Marvel's recent track record for things without Spiderman.
Anyway, I'm genuinely curious as to what you didn't like.
Not looking to argue or debate it (don't worry about a ten paragraph rebuttal from me if you reply) - just want to know.
It seems like this trailer has pushed the wrong buttons for a lot of people and I'm curious what about it has done that.
Maybe the fact that it looks silly is the problem?
*A little like Tommy Lee and Will Smith's characters from the first MIB... sort of.
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TP2000
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Exactly. Even if they had lowered their bloated budgets this year, some of these tentpoles are so far in the red they wouldn't even break even if you shaved $75 Million off their $200+ Million budgets.
The audience delivered their verdict loud and clear, as audiences so often do with vote-by-wallet communication.
I've been saying in the Disneyland forums for the past few years that it's now obvious to me that the Parks are being run by senior executives who don't use their own products, or even like their own products. Thus, the problems we've seen with the Parks lately.
I think you could now expand that to the senior execs running the Studio divisions. Or if there are a few creative execs that still get it, they are being overruled and drowned out on movie making decisions by a battalion of execs that don't get it.
Whatever the reason for it, Disney's flagship studio divisions can't keep going like they have in 2023. Losing $600+ Million on six movies all in one spring/summer just isn't sustainable. Next up.... The Marvels and Wish.
TP2000
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It's alarming how badly some of Disney's big movies have done overseas lately.
Haunted Mansion is now the latest, and perhaps most glaring example, of that. Even worse percentage-wise than Mermaid.
The overseas box office came in today for Haunted Mansion's second weekend, and it's awful.
Domestic Box Office = $43.5 Million
Overseas Box Office = $17.6 Million
In its defense, Haunted Mansion hasn't opened yet in the UK, Australia, and Japan, but the numbers are so bad in the 35 other counties where it has opened that it's not going to matter much.
Maybe it will be big in Japan when it opens there in September? That's at least a country where there is actually a 40 year old Haunted Mansion ride to provide context for the audience, and with a better post-summer release date?
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think you just revert back to what worked for Tentpole IPs…It's alarming how badly some of Disney's big movies have done overseas lately.
Haunted Mansion is now the latest, and perhaps most glaring example, of that. Even worse percentage-wise than Mermaid.
The overseas box office came in today for Haunted Mansion's second weekend, and it's awful.
Domestic Box Office = $43.5 Million
Overseas Box Office = $17.6 Million
In its defense, Haunted Mansion hasn't opened yet in the UK, Australia, and Japan, but the numbers are so bad in the 35 other counties that it has opened in that it's not going to matter much.
Maybe it will be big in Japan when it opens there in September? That's at least a country where there is actually a 40 year old Haunted Mansion ride to provide context for the audience, and with a better post-summer release date?
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Make it for the NATO audience - frankly - and let the chips fall on the international box office
It’s kinda silly to think you can serve both.
I would say the outlier was maybe the MCU/Pixar dominated climate for the last 10 years…and now that the spectacle is finished…we’re heading back to center.
In other words: heroes and villains
All kinds
Jedijax719
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Problem is that NOBODY knows (until after the fact) what audiences will or will not like. And even if they did "do homework" for alleged "likes", they (like anyone else) get accused of catering and pandering with fan service too much.
They can't win. Give people what they liked a couple of years ago and suddenly things have changed. There was no real gradual decline since COVID yanked the cord out of the wall.
They can't win. Give people what they liked a couple of years ago and suddenly things have changed. There was no real gradual decline since COVID yanked the cord out of the wall.
TP2000
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Agreed that's probably best. Also, I love the phrase "NATO audience". I'm going to steal that one, if I may.
BuddyThomas
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Breaking news. The sequel’s been announced.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Ohhh that is so not true…
100% for sure? No
But I tell you what won’t work outside of a focus group: replacing long established icons for facsimiles simply to “modernize” them
A third grader could see that wouldn’t work
And indeed…it has not
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TP2000
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The overseas box office from this past weekend just got reported today, and Barbie went past the Billion Dollar mark at the global box office sometime this past Sunday afternoon. I do have to wonder if the sequel will focus more on Ken, or if there will be a sequel.
It seems like they'd be best to keep this a one-hit wonder. Both Gosling and Robbie seem just about too old to play their parts, even with editing and computer wizardry. A sequel in '25 won't be flattering. But neither Warners nor Mattel will probably take that advice.
When do we think Disney might have a Billion Dollar movie again? Avatar 3 in January 2026? Or is there some mystery project in the works?
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’m alarmed by nearly everything that’s happened to Disney the last couple years.
If someone told me in 2019 Disney would have to shut their parks for 1-4 years (depending on the park) I’d have said they were insane.
If they’d told me last year that the post Covid parks boom would crash so bad this year they’d be closing buildings at resorts I’d have said they were insane.
If they’d told me Iger would be back… insane.
If they’d told me Pixar, Marvel, Lucas, and Disney animation would all struggle to find audiences this year… insane.
If they’d told me Reedy Creek would be gone from a political fight… insane.
This company is off the edge of the map.
Remember when a Jungle Cruise Boat sank, the HM doombuggie broke off its axis hold and splash mountain boats sank all within weeks? Right before Iger bailed.
Also the two collisions that Skyliner had.