Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

This isn't that new at this point, but thought I would post it.

Disney is releasing another low budget movie, $39M, via 20th Century this year called The Bikeriders on Dec 1st.

Jeff Nichols’ ‘The Bikeriders’ Gets Release Date; Austin Butler, Tom Hardy, Jodie Comer, Michael Shannon, Norman Reedus & Others Star

'Bikeriders' Tom Hardy ensemble movie dated for December 2023

deadline.com

Its a film based on the book of the same name that follows a motorcycle club for a decade during the 60s.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Andor was great. Took me until the third episode to warm up to it, but what a payoff.

It also doesn’t appear to have attracted many viewers and doesn’t move the needle in terms of selling merch.

From a pure storytelling perspective? It’s great.

I actually appreciate that they made it. I think the “sci-fi/space fantasy” genre was built on the long narrative series…

And though 10 episodes/2 years isn’t as deep as the 3 standard bearers: TNG, DS9 and BSG - it’s totally necessary.

They have to produce long narrative to develop long term fans.

And that’s Disney: fans that don’t go away until there’s a certificate filled out. That is the whole economic engine.

They need more of this…just might have to tweak it?

Paramount/CBS is finding success going back to this formula. It’s no coincindence.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

Saw the new TMNT the other day, it's really well done. Reminds me of the Spider verse films. I think this has a chance to overtake Elemental box office too

 

[celluloid]

Saw the new TMNT the other day, it's really well done. Reminds me of the Spider verse films. I think this has a chance to overtake Elemental box office too

I don't think likely due to school starting back. But I think word of mouth on the quality and the release time of being something that family's that are done or have no interest in Barbie can want to check out.

I see it maybe doing pretty well overseas too for similar reasons.

Good knews for all three and whatever scraps Last Voyage of The Demeter can pick up this weekend, as Gran Turismo got scared of Barbie and Oppenheimer and moved its release to next week.

In the next to weeks besides a few hundred thousands, as Haunted Mansion leaves theaters, Disney is out of the big box office game for a while.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disneys box office record this year is astoundingly bad…

And they even got a little relief on Elemental.

Wow…can’t wait for the call. Very hard to find enough lipstick for this pig.

 

[celluloid]

Disneys box office record this year is astoundingly bad…

And they even got a little relief on Elemental.

Wow…can’t wait for the call. Very hard to find enough lipstick for this pig.

I am sure he will find a way to brag that the new theme parks are coming! wait...

I am sure he will find a way to make sure to mention the new cruise ship in the works will...wait.

Disney Plus? Nope.

He can't even say what they are releasing in 2024 in good conscience due to the writer's strike.

Not sure if the investors are really hopeful on Inside Out 2 or Muffasa spin off movie.

Maybe the Deadpool wolverine movie will get moved to Thanksgiving.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I am sure he will find a way to brag that the new theme parks are coming! wait...

I am sure he will find a way to make sure to mention the new cruise ship in the works will...wait.

Disney Plus? Nope.

He can't even say what they are releasing in 2024 in good conscience due to the writer's strike.

Not sure if the investors are really hopeful on Inside Out 2 or Muffasa spin off movie.

Maybe the Deadpool wolverine movie will get moved to Thanksgiving.

They only thing - my guess - they’ll claim is that people in the parks are throwing money at them…even though there’s less of them

Which is why I started ranting 15 years ago on discussion such as these to STOP buying repackaged goods at higher prices…

Which is genie…and “after hours”…and holiday tickets 3 months before a holiday.

We’d have a new ceo by now…

All yinz fault…not mine….listen to me from now on so I can do everyone a favor and RETIRE from here

 

[celluloid]

They only thing - my guess - they’ll claim is that people in the parks are throwing money at them…even though there’s less of them

Which is why I started ranting 15 years ago on discussion such as these to STOP buying repackaged goods at higher prices…

Which is genie…and “after hours”…and holiday tickets 3 months before a holiday.

We’d have a new ceo by now…

All yinz fault…not mine….listen to me from now on so I can do everyone a favor and RETIRE from here

"Our after hours events are selling out"

"Our extra ticketed special events..."

Since they have the new hollywood holiday one, that would be probably exactly what it is spun to.

 

[DisneyHead123]

"Our after hours events are selling out"

"Our extra ticketed special events..."

Since they have the new hollywood holiday one, that would be probably exactly what it is spun to.

I think that approach would actually work out well enough for them if it weren’t for the resorts. But based on recent discounts, even if per person spending is up in parks, the decreased numbers overall are impacting resort attendance.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think that approach would actually work out well enough for them if it weren’t for the resorts. But based on recent discounts, even if per person spending is up in parks, the decreased numbers overall are impacting resort attendance.

There is a common fallacy amongst fans they can make more profit with less people

It’s impossible. That’s not the model.

They make their money off the masses. Which is why they have the resorts in the first place.

“Less people means less overhead…more money for them”

When actually it’s:

“Less people means less revenue…less money for them in the margins”

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[Mmoore29]

I always had a feeling it would make it. TLM also is still playing in a lot of countries overseas, as they have even longer theatrical windows than what it got here in North America (which was over 100 days, hard to believe these days, apparently!). So it's still gonna be racking up money even as we stream it here. And some people will want to own Blu-rays as well, preferring it that way.

Getting a lot harder to make the "flop" narrative stick, people. Stay mad.

 

[Jedijax719]

I may be naive, but if a movie makes $1 more than the entire budget, wouldn't that equate to a $1 profit?

If I spend $5000 total to create a business and that business brings in $5100 total, haven't I made a $100 profit? I have $100 more than I had before.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is fascinating - in what market overseas is TLM currently doing big business?

Japan was one of the last to open and it will do only about $100K this weekend before it disappears.

…it’s not gonna cover…or come close

This is the 1,001 th attempt to suggest it will make money when it won’t.

Day ending in “y”

 

[Magenta Panther]

This is fascinating - in what market overseas is TLM currently doing big business?

Japan was one of the last to open and it will do only about $100K this weekend before it disappears.

Looks like the "flop" narrative is sticking...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The lead here is apparently some Disney spokespeople are reading the stupidity of our threads and running with it:

Saying that profit in the theaters is not how movies “profit”

Which is stupid.

Money off a movie after the fact in rights and product is where the company makes just that: easy profit

It’s not meant to cover budgets.

A huge company needs tons of easy money to convince people to buy its bloated stock shares.

It has no interest in “covering”
Losses for its studios

 

[Disstevefan1]

I always had a feeling it would make it. TLM also is still playing in a lot of countries overseas, as they have even longer theatrical windows than what it got here in North America (which was over 100 days, hard to believe these days, apparently!). So it's still gonna be racking up money even as we stream it here. And some people will want to own Blu-rays as well, preferring it that way.

Getting a lot harder to make the "flop" narrative stick, people. Stay mad.

Profit from the box office alone?

Its at 425,243,716,

It cost 200m to make and lets really low ball it for marketing and say 50m that 250x2 = 500m at the box office to break even.

Not there yet.

 

[erasure fan1]

I may be naive, but if a movie makes $1 more than the entire budget, wouldn't that equate to a $1 profit?

If I spend $5000 total to create a business and that business brings in $5100 total, haven't I made a $100 profit? I have $100 more than I had before.

Yes, you are correct. But is that one dollar what you told wall street you would make in profit? Or was the expected profit to be in the tens of millions plus.

 

[Disney Irish]

The lead here is apparently some Disney spokespeople are reading the stupidity of our threads and running with it:

Saying that profit in the theaters is not how movies “profit”

Which is stupid.

Money off a movie after the fact in rights and product is where the company makes just that: easy profit

It’s not meant to cover budgets.

A huge company needs tons of easy money to convince people to buy its bloated stock shares.

It has no interest in “covering”
Losses for its studios

Since none of us here have the "real" numbers for these movies budgets and marketing I would trust the math of a Disney executive over the math of some of random posters on a Disney Fan Forum, sorry.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yes, you are correct. But is that one dollar what you told wall street you would make in profit? Or was the expected profit to be in the tens of millions plus.

I wish they made $1 on the movies instead of losing 100m on each.