Shhhh! TP2000 was supposed to respond with that so we could actually know. That was the test within the ruse.
We already knew you're Gold Star.
Oh darn. Now what?
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Shhhh! TP2000 was supposed to respond with that so we could actually know. That was the test within the ruse.
We already knew you're Gold Star.
Oh darn. Now what?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You are way off the grid here…
Stop worrying about critics and audience scores that are nothing more than fan straw polls
Yes…they CAN jive with how mass audiences will receive the material…or they can be bogged down in their own echo chamber
Especially with Star Wars.
The “scores” for the Disney movies were just out of whack…not understanding anything about how Star Wars should feel…worried about Hollywood politics and marketing analysis.
Those are not hitting home.
So please, stop telling the audience what it should like…
And hey, Disney…do some GD homework and try to make things the audiences will like.
It’s entertainment…not the camp David accords.
As far as andor goes. It’s slow…its probably too slow.
Well made…expands on the one Disney made movie that has any repeat viewing qualities…
But maybe too slow for mass consumption?
Mass media company. Today…tomorrow…forever
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
Andor is like watching the 70's Incredible Hulk but the Hulk never appears.
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
Andor is considerably faster paced then most prestige television.
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Hmmm…good point.
I kinda put it in the realm -
Sorta - of TNG.
Was the best character show of its kind (likely)…but a lot of times you wanted them to push the damn button and not talk or engineer their way out of things
An Ida Lupino reference.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don’t necessarily disagree with you…
…but Star Wars created its own “reality” long ago. It doesn’t fit other material. It only fits Star Wars.
Most fan frustration dating back to 1999 - I believe - is rooted in the frustration that Hollywood continues to try and twist away from what it is in an effort to cycle out the fans.
In 1999 you can make the case that was a good idea…maybe even in 2015.
Now we have no doubt…it was dumb. One of the biggest miscalculations in Hollywood history…like worse than Ishtar and Leonard part 6…
I supported Disney trying…still give them a partial pass…
But they just did it with Indy…that is inexcusable.
Clear the decks and get someone with a clue.
Ok…rant over
(Till next time
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Willmark
Well-Known Member
Answering only for me, I liked the prequels. PM has the best Jedi lightsaber duel of them all. Clones was bad, but Revenge not bad at all outside of the “Noooooo!” with Vader. In fact I have RoS higher than Jedi in the rankings.I don’t necessarily disagree with you…
…but Star Wars created its own “reality” long ago. It doesn’t fit other material. It only fits Star Wars.
Most fan frustration dating back to 1999 - I believe - is rooted in the frustration that Hollywood continues to try and twist away from what it is in an effort to cycle out the fans.
In 1999 you can make the case that was a good idea…maybe even in 2015.
Now we have no doubt…it was dumb. One of the biggest miscalculations in Hollywood history…like worse than Ishtar and Leonard part 6…
I supported Disney trying…still give them a partial pass…
But they just did it with Indy…that is inexcusable.
Clear the decks and get someone with a clue.
Ok…rant over
(Till next time
Then there are the sequels, it really starts and stops with TLJ. Thats not my or anyone else who disliked it fault.
That is Disney’s fault.
That’s not “Disney ruined my childhood”, that’s not disliking more representation, that’s not “culture war nonsense “ as one poster in particular keeps going on about. Finn’s character got hosed, Rose? They could have done a lot better with her than what they did.
That‘s about not only putting out a bad Star Wars movie but a bad movie in general. And IMO the movie I hold up as my worst movie of all time.
The movie is nonsensical and does sit well (as in at all) with the universe created.
For me as a viewer, I wanted a fun romp one last time with some awesome heroes, that’s not what we got. So is anyone surprised when some of us said we‘ll pass on their latest offerings? That we don’t trust what they’ll do and in fact ended up doing with Indy?
I’ve caught some of Mandolorian and kept some tabs on Disney Star Wars but not much more than that.
Best part is the Blu Ray discs and DVDs of the series works just fine to watch the eight movies of the trilogy if I were so inclined. I say eight because one can skip TLJ and nothing is missed. The fact the RoSW retroconned it bears out that very premise.
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doctornick
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Not really. Depends on what you like.
I wouldn't call it the worse SW show or anything - Book of Boba Fett exists - but it was pretty boring and lacked action and took too long for the story it told. I'd probably say I liked Obi-Wan better (even though I'd happily admit that Andor was a "better made" show). It's no where near as good as The Mandalorian and I'd prefer many of the recent cartoons (Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch) to Andor.
Feel kind of the same way about Secret Invasion. And I'm one of those people who generally really enjoyed Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk, so it's more of a "you like what you like" kind of thing.
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doctornick
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It's absolutely crazy, because I was meh on The Marvels, but after that trailer, I was like "wow this looks like so much fun and awesome". It really sold me on the film looking like a ton of fun, so I find it interesting how others were turned off so completed by it. But as I say may times, I like my movies to be lighthearted and fun and the body switching and interactions between the characters I think will help make this more distinct than other MCU films.
I also think people discount how popular the first Captain Marvel movie was and just dismiss it due to the Endgame buildup (despite the fact that Ant-Man 2 in the same period didn't do anywhere remotely as well). I firmly believe this movie will do just fine and I have it pegged for about $750-800M world wide.
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Robbiem
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I didn’t like Andor at all either but does not mean I’m not excited for Ashoka and the other new Star Wars shows
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I absolutely love the idea and characters going into the Ashoka show…
But I’m afraid the trailer looks too dumbed down…similar to obi wan (which I did mostly like)
Vegas Disney Fan
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I have no idea how to predict films anymore, mainly because of the international market.
Thor love and thunder did about 90% of the box office of the previous Thor, but actually did better domestically, the loss was all international (about 25% lower than Ragnarok), AntMan Quantomania did about 80% of the previous AntMan but that was with nearly identical domestic numbers but a 40% drop internationally. What’s alarming is TLM was a 70% drop internationally from BatB.
Capt Marvel did $425 million domestically so it’s probably a safe bet The Marvels will do $300-350 million domestically, the huge unknown is what it’ll do overseas, if it can match Thors 25% international drop it could be in the $900 million range ($350 domestic, $525 intl) however if it suffers the same fate as TLM it may struggle to break $500 million ($300 dom, $200 intl).
All that just to say I wouldn’t be surprised to see it do $400 million total or $1 billion total with the current uncertainty in the movie business.
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
The Ashoka show is just a continuation of live action Rebels and it feels so far pretty good.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Yeah…I don’t need any kid a baby yoda/baby Leia type stuff
Rebels had kinda a “weight” to it…
After Jedi, I hope it’s about not going backwards and Ashoka trying to clean up what wasn’t done by Ewoks
I’ll be tuned in
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
Wouldn't the Ewoks be wiped out by the falling nuclear debris from the Death Star?
doctornick
Well-Known Member
This. I'm super excited about Ahsoka. And I'm very excited about Loki despite being meh on Secret Invasion. The interesting thing about the different shows on D+ is that they do in fact do a decent job on making them distinct with different qualities which can appeal to different folks.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…let’s just say I wouldn’t drink that water
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The problem is they’re buried on stream and that’s not building franchise moment at all.
There’s also no money in it.
Jedijax719
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And who really gives a @#$%The problem is they’re buried on stream and that’s not building franchise moment at all.
There’s also no money in it.