Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Vegas Disney Fan

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Remember when a Jungle Cruise Boat sank, the HM doombuggie broke off its axis hold and splash mountain boats sank all within weeks? Right before Iger bailed.

Also the two collisions that Skyliner had.
It’s been a rough couple years for a company that could do no wrong just a few short years ago.

Disney needs term limits, no CEO should stay more than 15 years, that’s when Eisner lost his touch (although Frank Wells death played a huge part of that) and Iger lost his touch right around the 15 year mark also.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
It’s been a rough couple years for a company that could do no wrong just a few short years ago.

Disney needs term limits, no CEO should stay more than 15 years, that’s when Eisner lost his touch (although Frank Wells death played a huge part of that) and Iger lost his touch right around the 15 year mark also.

It is interesting. And the writing was on the wall that the hubris was real before that. Some of the aquisitions only profited due to cheap deals. Some are not really going to make their money back for a long time, if ever.

I think another rule once you leave once, you can't return.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
The overseas box office from this past weekend just got reported today, and Barbie went past the Billion Dollar mark at the global box office sometime this past Sunday afternoon. I do have to wonder if the sequel will focus more on Ken, or if there will be a sequel.

It seems like they'd be best to keep this a one-hit wonder. Both Gosling and Robbie seem just about too old to play their parts, even with editing and computer wizardry. A sequel in '25 won't be flattering. But neither Warners nor Mattel will probably take that advice.

When do we think Disney might have a Billion Dollar movie again? Avatar 3 in January 2026? Or is there some mystery project in the works?
FYI, none of the stars or writer/director have contracts for a sequel on Barbie.

So WBD cannot even talk about a sequel until both strikes are over.

As for the next Disney $Billion movie, if none do it before hand, I could see Deadpool 3 maybe hitting it next summer. A Reynolds/Jackman proper Deadpool/Wolverine team up has been something the entire Marvel fandom has been wanting for a long time.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
This trailer seems very polarizing and I'm curious as to why.

It appears to me, that somebody took the criticism of Captain Marvel's character from the first movie and End Game and through the mash-up with Miss Marvel, are trying to create a sort of odd-couple (trio) scenario where that kind of character can still exist but be used as a straight (wo)man that can be more likable and softened a little through mild comedy and tensino created with an opposite partner/foil.*

To me, the message of the trailer is that this movie is supposed to be fun and not necessarily the same kind of high-stakes end-of-the-universe-as-we-know-it movie the way all the other recent ones have been which I personally kind of welcome, if so.

That said, this ain't my first rodeo and more than once, I've come out of a movie wishing whoever had made the trailer had also been who made the movie so I wouldn't call myself excited to see this, given my feelings on Marvel's recent track record for things without Spiderman.

Anyway, I'm genuinely curious as to what you didn't like.

Not looking to argue or debate it (don't worry about a ten paragraph rebuttal from me if you reply) - just want to know.

It seems like this trailer has pushed the wrong buttons for a lot of people and I'm curious what about it has done that.

Maybe the fact that it looks silly is the problem?

*A little like Tommy Lee and Will Smith's characters from the first MIB... sort of.
I go to the movies A LOT - 16 times so far in 2023. I watch the trailers and in my head (or aloud if I’m with someone) rate them as:
1) It’s a date.
2) Pass.
3) Hard pass.

Both my niece and I dubbed it a hard pass. She’s a big Marvel fan; I am not. I think “silly” pretty much nailed it. Also, at almost 56, I am probably not the target demographic for this movie. The trailer did nothing to sway me to see it.
 

WaltsTreasureChest

Well-Known Member
I don’t necessarily disagree with you…

…but Star Wars created its own “reality” long ago. It doesn’t fit other material. It only fits Star Wars.

Most fan frustration dating back to 1999 - I believe - is rooted in the frustration that Hollywood continues to try and twist away from what it is in an effort to cycle out the fans.

In 1999 you can make the case that was a good idea…maybe even in 2015.

Now we have no doubt…it was dumb. One of the biggest miscalculations in Hollywood history…like worse than Ishtar and Leonard part 6…

I supported Disney trying…still give them a partial pass…

But they just did it with Indy…that is inexcusable.

Clear the decks and get someone with a clue.

Ok…rant over
(Till next time 🤪)
Indy was great
 

WaltsTreasureChest

Well-Known Member
No…and neither was the last Johnson

If that “subverts your expectations…” keep it to yourself

They killed it
They didn’t “kill” anything. Movie was fun and the ending was neat.

The whole “subversion of expectation“ thing is so 2017, like I didn’t like TLJ either but that’s not gonna cloud my judgment on other films. Dial of Destiny is fantastic and a much better final film that deals with his age, adventure and emotional weight that was all in all satisfying. Much better than alot of the previous lucasfilm stuff we’ve gotten
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The majority of the movie going audience really enjoyed this film as compared to TLJ, so no. Dial of Destiny is a great film. Try to see it without thinking about TLJ the whole time. This is Indiana Jones, not Star Wars

I’m gonna take “they killed it” as a good thing, cause I think they truly did a good job. It’s one of the few films that deserves a much higher box office. Too bad it didn’t. Oh well!
Kids…

Nobody saw it.

Just me and a couple of fools

So let’s assume I hit my head and That’s why it looked like a 4-5/10 to me…

that’s actually way worse…it means Disney/LFL’s reputation and/or stock is near repulsive to a worldwide audience.

You best hope there’s no “there” there 😬
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I don't remember anything about Loki being bisexual in the Prose and Poetic Edda, but there was this interesting episode:


I'd think it best if Disney didn't borrow too heavily from the Norse legends.
We probably shouldn't talk about what was going to be the honeymoon is the spell wasn't broken after Tiana and Naveen resigned themselves to forever being frogs...
 
Kids…

Nobody saw it.

Just me and a couple of fools

So let’s assume I hit my head and That’s why it looked like a 4-5/10 to me…

that’s actually way worse…it means Disney/LFL’s reputation and/or stock is near repulsive to a worldwide audience.

You best hope there’s no “there” there 😬
It sucks cause it should’ve made more since it was one of the few good Disney movies of this year imo. Though I doubt it’ll really hurt much of the Indy side of things. This is meant to be the last one, and Disney never really touches the Indy franchise for anything

I wish it would’ve made more but what can you do. I think Star Wars dealing with a potential flop or etc is a bigger deal since there’s more plans and focus dedicated to it. It’s Iger baby. Disney’s just decided to not breath any life into the Indy franchise. Out of the 11 years all we got was a film now, but we never got merch, video games, books, comics, additions to the parks and etc for the past years. Nada. They need to utilize their properties properly, cause if they forget about them, so will the audience.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It sucks cause it should’ve made more since it was one of the few good Disney movies of this year imo. Though I doubt it’ll really hurt much of the Indy side of things. This is meant to be the last one, and Disney never really touches the Indy franchise for anything

I wish it would’ve made more but what can you do. I think Star Wars dealing with a potential flop or etc is a bigger deal since there’s more plans and focus dedicated to it. It’s Iger baby. Disney’s just decided to not breath any life into the Indy franchise. Out of the 11 years all we got was a film now, but we never got merch, video games, books, comics, additions to the parks and etc for the past years. Nada. They need to utilize their properties properly, cause if they forget about them, so will the audience.
They’re just mishandled the whole studio…to be honest

Indy was gonna be hard…they already did an unnecessary sequel and he’s ancient.

I’d have rather they not touched it.


But it didn’t need a couple of hundred million dollar loss - for sure. Who does that serve?
 
They’re just mishandled the whole studio…to be honest

Indy was gonna be hard…they already did an unnecessary sequel and he’s ancient.

I’d have rather they not touched it.


But it didn’t need a couple of hundred million dollar loss - for sure. Who does that serve?
It’s the bloated budget for sure, which was mostly due to Harrison’s injury, and shooting in real locations which cough up a lot of money. I was happy with the end result but I know Bobs gotta be disgruntled in general. That and haunted mansions loss. And then whatever else flops for the rest of the years, who knows. I thought Dial was one of the better projects released from Lucasfilm. I think they dealt with the story a lot better than skull, about his age, post retirement, one last adventure and all, which makes it unique. But with Indys case, I don’t think they had any plans beyond this. Their lack of interest to it shows. It probably would’ve done better if it had marketing similar to Crystal Skulls and if it would’ve landed it’s original release date, which was in 2019 (which was a different world compared to now)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It’s the bloated budget for sure, which was mostly due to Harrison’s injury, and shooting in real locations which cough up a lot of money. I was happy with the end result but I know Bobs gotta be disgruntled in general. That and haunted mansions loss. And then whatever else flops for the rest of the years, who knows. I thought Dial was one of the better projects released from Lucasfilm. I think they dealt with the story a lot better than skull, about his age, post retirement, one last adventure and all, which makes it unique. But with Indys case, I don’t think they had any plans beyond this. Their lack of interest to it shows. It probably would’ve done better if it had marketing similar to Crystal Skulls and if it would’ve landed it’s original release date, which was in 2019 (which was a different world compared to now)
The problem is the bar for LFL is so low…which is a huge eyesore for Disney and by extension bobs ego.

That is likely why kennedy is still there…she provides a “Twitter shield” for Bob…

3 of the 5 Disney Star Wars movies were hot garbage…and the other 2 are no gems either. Nothing that sticks to the audience ribs even to the level of Jedi…

Disney has studio problems across the board now. I think LFL is in the most dire straights

You bought some of the biggest IP ever that commanded a merchandising mega empire to shutter the movie studio and make 12 steaming episodes a year?

…really?
 
The problem is the bar for LFL is so low…which is a huge eyesore for Disney and by extension bobs ego.

That is likely why kennedy is still there…she provides a “Twitter shield” for Bob…

3 of the 5 Disney Star Wars movies were hot garbage…and the other 2 are no gems either. Nothing that sticks to the audience ribs even to the level of Jedi…

Disney has studio problems across the board now. I think LFL is in the most dire straights

You bought some of the biggest IP ever that commanded a merchandising mega empire to shutter the movie studio and make 12 steaming episodes a year?

…really?
See I agree with you there, im also of the opinion that we need new leadership from top to bottom. Not just at lucasfilm, but a new Disney ceo who knows how to steer the ship in a better direction.

I think the biggest Star Wars success, despite what anyone thinks, were Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Mandalorian. But that’s about it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
See I agree with you there, im also of the opinion that we need new leadership from top to bottom. Not just at lucasfilm, but a new Disney ceo who knows how to steer the ship in a better direction.

I think the biggest Star Wars success, despite what anyone thinks, were Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Mandalorian. But that’s about it.
…oh don’t get me started/all hot and bothered…

…I just MIGHT have called for the same thing a couple (thousand) times round here before 🤓
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
No…and neither was the last Johnson

If that “subverts your expectations…” keep it to yourself

They killed it
Indy was great for some of us. Also, for me, TLJ was the best of all the SW movies. I saw it at the theatre seven times, I believe. I also unapologetically liked Book of Boba Fett. Shrug.

You can’t just say “No” as if that’s the end of the discussion. That’s just your opinion. Others may agree or disagree.
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
So tell me again why Bob Iger invested Billions into building a Disneyland for Shanghai? Why are they even bothering with Communist China?
It’s a sad statement on how fast that relationship shifted, I think. Not so many years ago I think China was seen largely as an emerging market of consumers.
 

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