DHS Soundstage 1 Renovation - Toy Storia Mania expansion

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
If I may ask, what would you like to see in a DHS expansion?
Hat move
Rationalised road, entry and exit system and parking lot fix / garage
GMR top drawer refurb
Purpose built stage area not in front of GMR
TOT fixed
Fant updated
D ticket on Sunset
TSMM track 3
Monsters coaster
Proper Pixar expansion with 2/3 C/Ds and an anchor E - MI could be the E if funds are stretched (as if...)
Another C or D in Backlot Theatre
Properly funded Star Wars expansion with D and anchor E behind Indy
Family friendly audio and visual shows in the Suparstar and Sound Studio theatres

Should cost what.... Say 1.7 billion?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I don't differentiate between rides and attractions. The point was it sounds as if there is absolutely nothing to do except Toy Story. There is plenty to do and most of them are much more rewarding then standing in line for an hour to get a 4 minute ride. That was my only meaning. I know kids like it. Well, there were a lot of things that my kids "liked" that they never got to experience because I knew it's value and also knew that other things had more value for the time spent. They lived and prospered.

Scared? Yup, I keep forgetting the generation of wimps that are currently in the system. All supported by people that think if a kid cries for a few seconds it is out and out cruelty. Somewhere and sometime in this world they are going to have to face 'scary' things and must learn to face their fears and overcome them. What safer place to learn that then in a Disney Theme Park.

To each their own. Bringing a 2 year old into a place that scares the heck out of them is not my idea of a great family vacation. I don't see the point. It's easy enough to just skip that stuff. We didn't even go to DHS when my kids were really little. We mostly stuck with MK and AK.
 

mahnamahna101

Well-Known Member
Hat move
Rationalised road, entry and exit system and parking lot fix / garage
GMR top drawer refurb
Purpose built stage area not in front of GMR
TOT fixed
Fant updated
D ticket on Sunset
TSMM track 3
Monsters coaster
Proper Pixar expansion with 2/3 C/Ds and an anchor E - MI could be the E if funds are stretched (as if...)
Another C or D in Backlot Theatre
Properly funded Star Wars expansion with D and anchor E behind Indy
Family friendly audio and visual shows in the Suparstar and Sound Studio theatres

Should cost what.... Say 1.7 billion?
Something tells me this might just be what we're getting.... :cool:

Add in a Muppets mini-land and DHS becomes my 2nd favorite theme park of all-time. Islands of Adventure will always be first.
 

DinoInstitute

Well-Known Member
Something tells me this might just be what we're getting.... :cool:
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Seriously though, I'd love it too, but theres no way:(
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
To each their own. Bringing a 2 year old into a place that scares the heck out of them is not my idea of a great family vacation. I don't see the point. It's easy enough to just skip that stuff. We didn't even go to DHS when my kids were really little. We mostly stuck with MK and AK.
I guess it does depend on age. I never took my kids until the youngest was 6 years old. I never talked up an attraction mainly because I didn't know anything about them until we rode or saw it. I never felt that there was anything to be scared of and maybe that transferred to them in some way. I don't really know. What I do know is constant sheltering, even though protecting is part of a parents job, is not doing them any favors. As a parent I always felt that the largest part of my responsibility was to teach them how to cope with the "real" world. Overcoming illogical fears was one of those jobs. I would never have thrown a kid in a parachute out of an airplane, but, a Disney park is hardly a highly dangerous place to be. That was my attitude going in and I think that it helped to not pre-panic a kid before hand.

One thing I did discover, many years later, is my youngest told me that when we rode the Haunted Mansion she had her eyes closed the whole time. She never uttered a peep or a whine or anything, just figured her own way to cope with the situation. The next time she went, the first thing she wanted to see was HM. That to me is a solid step in overcoming fear of things that shouldn't be fear filled.
 
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GoofGoof

Premium Member
I guess it does depend on age. I never took my kids until the youngest was 6 years old. I never talked up an attraction mainly because I didn't know anything about them until we rode or saw it. I never felt that there was anything to be scared of and maybe that transferred to them in some way. I don't really know. What I do know is constant sheltering, even though protecting is part of a parents job, is not doing them any favors. As a parent I always felt that the largest part of my responsibility was to teach them how to cope with the "real" world. Overcoming illogical fears was one of those jobs. I would never have thrown a kid in a parachute out of an airplane, but, a Disney park is hardly a highly dangerous place to be. That was my attitude going in and I think that it helped to not pre-panic a kid before hand.

One thing I did discover, many years later, is my youngest told me that when we rode the Haunted Mansion she had her eyes closed the whole time. She never uttered a peep or a whine or anything, just figured her own way to cope with the situation. The next time she went, the first thing she wanted to see was HM. That to me is a solid step in overcoming fear of things that shouldn't be fear filled.
There's a big difference between an elementary school kid and a 2 year old. My 6 year old wasn't afraid of any rides at WDW. He did ToT, HM, Space Mountain with no problems.

You asked the question about why people say there isn't anything for kids in DHS. I was just trying to point out that it depends on what age the kids are. If it's the toddler crowd then it's a pretty true statement. Very young kids do get scared on some rides. They aren't wimps or sheltered, just little kids. Once you hit preschool age and definitely by elementary school age pretty much all of the attractions at the park are an option.
 

Jon81uk

Well-Known Member
I guess it does depend on age. I never took my kids until the youngest was 6 years old. I never talked up an attraction mainly because I didn't know anything about them until we rode or saw it. I never felt that there was anything to be scared of and maybe that transferred to them in some way. I don't really know. What I do know is constant sheltering, even though protecting is part of a parents job, is not doing them any favors. As a parent I always felt that the largest part of my responsibility was to teach them how to cope with the "real" world. Overcoming illogical fears was one of those jobs. I would never have thrown a kid in a parachute out of an airplane, but, a Disney park is hardly a highly dangerous place to be. That was my attitude going in and I think that it helped to not pre-panic a kid before hand.

One thing I did discover, many years later, is my youngest told me that when we rode the Haunted Mansion she had her eyes closed the whole time. She never uttered a peep or a whine or anything, just figured her own way to cope with the situation. The next time she went, the first thing she wanted to see was HM. That to me is a solid step in overcoming fear of things that shouldn't be fear filled.

Yep, if you are scared then of course your child will be scared. We took our niece to a theme park here in the UK and because her Mum told her not to be scared of the big scary rides, she went on them and was scared and hated it. When we took her on a wild mouse coaster (higher height restriction) shoe loved it as she had relaxed and learnt what she likes, not what she had been told to like or be scared of.

Approaching everything eith an open mind can work very well.
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
There's a big difference between an elementary school kid and a 2 year old. My 6 year old wasn't afraid of any rides at WDW. He did ToT, HM, Space Mountain with no problems.

You asked the question about why people say there isn't anything for kids in DHS. I was just trying to point out that it depends on what age the kids are. If it's the toddler crowd then it's a pretty true statement. Very young kids do get scared on some rides. They aren't wimps or sheltered, just little kids. Once you hit preschool age and definitely by elementary school age pretty much all of the attractions at the park are an option.
All of the rides (except TNRC) are pretty much an option by Kindergarten age, as my sister has been able to go on everything and is 2 inches away from RNRC now being in first grade. The main thing is building the kid up to not be scared to go on the ride. And at such a young age, if you scare them on that ride, it could be hard to get them to go back on (or others of similar thrill level).
 

BrerJon

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Hat move
Rationalised road, entry and exit system and parking lot fix / garage
GMR top drawer refurb
Purpose built stage area not in front of GMR
TOT fixed
Fant updated
D ticket on Sunset
TSMM track 3
Monsters coaster
Proper Pixar expansion with 2/3 C/Ds and an anchor E - MI could be the E if funds are stretched (as if...)
Another C or D in Backlot Theatre
Properly funded Star Wars expansion with D and anchor E behind Indy
Family friendly audio and visual shows in the Suparstar and Sound Studio theatres

Should cost what.... Say 1.7 billion?

Perfect. Only thing I'd also want would be to revitalise the empty Animation M&G area by going back to its roots but modernised - a faux-studio demonstrating CGI modelling and animating, motion capture, green-screen etc., all promoting the latest WDFA hit, with real animators on hand and facilities to let guests have a go - you already have the small exhibit room and the Animation Academy, so the seeds are there, it just needs a bit of a rethink.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
All of the rides (except TNRC) are pretty much an option by Kindergarten age, as my sister has been able to go on everything and is 2 inches away from RNRC now being in first grade. The main thing is building the kid up to not be scared to go on the ride. And at such a young age, if you scare them on that ride, it could be hard to get them to go back on (or others of similar thrill level).
Yep. We waited until my youngest was almost 4 to go to DHS. He was technically tall enough for ToT but we didn't think he was ready for it. Other than that and RNRC he did it all. It's tough to get a kid under 4 to sit still for too many shows, but he did love Indy. It was the highlight of his day.

I think when people talk about DHS not being good for kids they really do mean the toddler crowd.
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
Hat move
Rationalised road, entry and exit system and parking lot fix / garage
GMR top drawer refurb
Purpose built stage area not in front of GMR
TOT fixed
Fant updated
D ticket on Sunset
TSMM track 3
Monsters coaster
Proper Pixar expansion with 2/3 C/Ds and an anchor E - MI could be the E if funds are stretched (as if...)
Another C or D in Backlot Theatre
Properly funded Star Wars expansion with D and anchor E behind Indy
Family friendly audio and visual shows in the Suparstar and Sound Studio theatres

Should cost what.... Say 1.7 billion?

This is WDI Mr. Smith that would cost them $3.4b unless they actually want to price correctly.
 

mahnamahna101

Well-Known Member
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Seriously though, I'd love it too, but theres no way:(
It's more the fact that a 3rd track for TSMM (who actively has that on their wishlist? I'd take a new ride any day) and $1.7 billion figure. It's more than DCA's $1.2 billion... without it being too abnormally high. Plus, I don't think there'll be as much rockwork for DHS makeover.

Some of the stuff mentioned seems too technical to just be pure speculation. Plus they all sound like they could be done on a budget and improve DHS relatively quickly (half of them anyways. fixing the parking lot and all of that will take 3-5 years)
Hat move
Rationalised road, entry and exit system and parking lot fix / garage
GMR top drawer refurb
Purpose built stage area not in front of GMR
TOT fixed
Fant updated
TSMM track 3
Family friendly audio and visual shows in the Suparstar and Sound Studio theatres


Everything in bold seems pretty likely or feasible.
  1. D ticket on Sunset - 2% chance, unless Roger Rabbit gets a sequel/reboot that's successful, I don't see Sunset getting anything new
  2. Monsters coaster - 30% chance, it's been on the drawing boards for a while so they could start prep work pretty quickly... but Cars and Incredibles are both getting films within the next 5 years. If it does come, it's probably the anchor E, or a complementary D to TSMM.
  3. Proper Pixar expansion - 65% chance, can't imagine all the big-wigs would come to DHS just for a 3rd track... I'd expect a flat ride or two just to increase attraction count, rethemed play area, and then a D and an E. Monsters, Cars and Incredibles are the three most likely. If budget's cut, then probably 2 flat rides and one E.
  4. Another C or D in Backlot Theatre - 5% chance, unless Muppets gets a mini-land, I don't see SoA getting another attraction.
  5. Properly funded Star Wars expansion - 65% chance, I don't see two new big rides coming. I'd say the spinner, expanded Jedi, updates to Star Tours, Mos Eisley Cantina, possibly a walkthrough Milennium Falcon and some kind of D/E behind Indy. So a B and an anchor E. With Star Tours becoming a D-ticket. I'd love to see a coaster and family dark ride for Star Wars though.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
If anything, DHS is still a one day park to do everything. And you'd be pushed to see all daytime shows thanks to some devious scheduling.

Would that mean fifteen years ago though it was a one and a half day park?
Kind of a trick question there Marni. 15 years ago was pretty much on the transition line from no longer being considered a working studio to "just a theme park". It was just about that time that major attractions were added, but there was a gap in there where the backlot was somewhat cut back and not a lot to replace it. Over the next 5 or six years they added major attractions and based on that I think it is about the same. Years ago the Backlot tour took up 3 hours, since then ToT, RcRC, and TSMM was added with wait times equaling about the same amount of time.

The problem, I think, with most of our thinking is that we, as a group have been multiple times and know what we want to see and what we don't. We don't do everything because of that. So when an attraction is down we find ourselves with what we perceive as nothing to do. That's the thing with avid fans, we fail to see things from any eyes other then our own. I think to most new people, it is still a full day park especially if you have to wait for TSMM or either of the other two. Fant. takes up even more of the end of the day. Indiana Jones takes quite a bit of time as does LMA. Personally, I don't always do them all, sometimes none of them, that leaves me out of there by noon. But, we must remember that doesn't mean that they aren't there to do, we just don't do them.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
In each park? Well that's very easy to do in DHS because there's only 5 options.

TSMM isn't even featured on WDW TV Must Do Disney, shown in the resort hotel rooms. Would you say Buzz is a top attraction in Magic Kingdom? I wouldn't. However, if placed in an environment where Buzz is one of the few attractions in a park, it would become by default a top attraction in that park because there's less surrounding it.

Edit: I like both of these attractions (TSMM and Buzz) Not condescending either but trying to put in perspective an environmental factor for these long lines and seemingly unbridled popularity that is supposedly "causing" these lines.

But even in DCA were there are 20+ rides including arguably 6 e-tickets TSMM often has the 2nd longest line in the entire park, 2nd only to RSR. I don't think it's on the same theme level as the other rides mentioned but the simple fact it consistently has longer lines than hugely popular e-tickets like ToT and Soarin at DCA (that both have similar capacities) seems to prove it's equally as popular and is viewed by most visitors as being on the same level.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Superstar Limo or Rocket Redd's have to be worse, don't they?
IMHO Antarctica is actually worse than Superstar Limo. I'm not 100%sure, but I think the big problem with Superstar Limo is the budget got slashed and they went with animated figures and cardboard cutouts instead of actual AAs. Plus the story was pretty lame. It was still kinda fun even though it was cheesey and much better now with MI overlay.

With Antarctica I was actually wishing for a few animated cardboard cutouts. There was one decent show scene integrating screens, wind and the movement of the ride vehicle. The rest of the ride was just a bizarre spin around a strange environment with flashing psychadelic lighting. I think maybe you have to be high or something to get it. The trackless ride system is cool, but mostly wasted on such a lame ride. Plus it cost a ton to build making it an even larger failure.

I don't know what Rocket Redd's is. I tried looking it up and all I got was the Pizza place in Tomorrowland at DL. If it's like most pizza on Disney property it's probably between average and borderline terrible. I can't say I've ever eaten there.
 

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