DHS Makeover - What we know so far.....

stretchsje

stretchsje

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PhotoDave219 said:
So after talking with @RSoxNo1, looks like its an Old Podcast being referred to or reposted.

No need to panic. This is old information.
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No, all the information I posted was from a brand new podcast accidentally posted- then removed- yesterday. I explained here.

Right or wrong, he's not confusing. In the new podcast, he specifically responds to the rumor of a $3 billion DHS budget that the BoD just allegedly approved and says no, it's $1.2-$1.4 billion "depending on who you talk to," and segues immediately into the Indy ride rumor. (I think there was a article or something that combined these rumors back in July, and it felt a bit like perhaps he was responding directly to it, hence why $3 billion and Indy seemed like related topics.) Regardless, he clearly knows people inside Disney, says he talked to them, and gave the range of answers he's been given by those insiders. He doesn't say when he talked to them, but Hill was aware of the BoD meeting and that the original Star Wars plans were rejected by the board. One would think he'd thus be taking these things into account before confidently shooting down the $3 billion rumor.

Again, right or wrong, I have no idea. But I wouldn't be so quick to shoot the messenger as he's certainly proven himself before. Plus, this bears repeating, as marni1971 is quite trusted in these parts:
marni1971 said:
That is the figure I heard last fall so there could be validity in it.
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(Please don't shoot this messenger either.)
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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stretchsje said:
No, all the information I posted was from a brand new podcast accidentally posted- then removed- yesterday. I explained here.

Right or wrong, he's not confusing. In the new podcast, he specifically responds to the rumor of a $3 billion DHS budget that the BoD just allegedly approved and says no, it's $1.2-$1.4 billion "depending on who you talk to," and segues immediately into the Indy ride rumor. (I think there was a ***** article or something that combined these rumors back in July, and it felt a bit like perhaps he was responding directly to it, hence why $3 billion and Indy seemed like related topics.) Regardless, he clearly knows people inside Disney, says he talked to them, and gave the range of answers he's been given by those insiders. He doesn't say when he talked to them, but Hill was aware of the BoD meeting and that the original Star Wars plans were rejected by the board. One would think he'd thus be taking these things into account before confidently shooting down the $3 billion rumor.

Again, right or wrong, I have no idea. But I wouldn't be so quick to shoot the messenger as he's certainly proven himself before. Plus, this bears repeating, as marni1971 is quite trusted in these parts:

(Please don't shoot this messenger either.)
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I'm not shooting any messengers.

However I'm putting little faith in Jim Hill.
 
DDLand

DDLand

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PhotoDave219 said:
I'm not shooting any messengers.

However I'm putting little faith in Jim Hill.
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Except this rumor will not die. Starting with Jim back a few months ago, that's when it all started.

At around that time @marni tried to calm everyone down:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...llywood-adventure.901419/page-11#post-6782910

I think it popped up yet again with another individual. Now it's making the rounds in this slash film article from, in their own words "Someone claiming to be in the know." (Twitter user https://mobile.twitter.com/VashSky) The article is http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-13/

Frankly, I find it amusing that everyone is freaking out when several credible sources have said remain calm. It sums up the gulf between here and elsewhere in the Disney news world.

It is of course entirely possible WDI got rejected a second time, but that just sounds insane. You have a board and executives telling you that your ideas weren't big enough, and then you come back with new lame ideas. Does that sound a little unlike WDI?
 
ULPO46

ULPO46

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DDLand said:
Except this rumor will not die. Starting with Jim back a few months ago, that's when it all started.

At around that time @marni tried to calm everyone down:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...llywood-adventure.901419/page-11#post-6782910

I think it popped up yet again with another individual. Now it's making the rounds in this slash film article from, in their own words "Someone claiming to be in the know." (Twitter user https://mobile.twitter.com/VashSky) The article is http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-13/

Frankly, I find it amusing that everyone is freaking out when several credible sources have said remain calm. It sums up the gulf between here and elsewhere in the Disney news world.

It is of course entirely possible WDI got rejected a second time, but that just sounds insane. You have a board and executives telling you that your ideas weren't big enough, and then you come back with new lame ideas. Does that sound a little unlike WDI?
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Well sadly a lot of the good imagineers have gotten fed up with the board and left to Uni, Seas, and Six Flags and others. Its happened before and it get quite annoying because as a young schmuck as me self, tends to remeber a man named walt would never reject ideas. He ask for them to be bolder and better without the use of budget. Let's not forget that Disney almost bankruoted the company when he built Disneyland. Although it be impossible to bankrupt the company on a project of that magnitude, i am getting fed up with the bureaucrats in corporate explaining how it must fall into budget and it needs to have less and less while appealing to the consumer and being dirt cheap to maintain.
 
ULPO46

ULPO46

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Bairstow said:
Wait, what?! In all his time managing his studios Walt Disney never once rejected an idea?
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Sarcasm... he did reject some plans but not all. His original class of imagineers he hand picked because he knew what they were capable of. He was full of passion and desire to make the best damn theme park in the world while also being the head of a highlt sucessful film movie and animation studio. I think disney has become too big that it doesnt know how to control all of its divisions. Case in point look at the merger of Stanely Works with Black and Decker what a nightmare. Or AOL Time Warner. Eventuallt i think if they want to suceed they will have to sell of something so they can focus on what there brand stands for. Because this money making machine honestly is making even its die hard fans go to other places for better quality at lower prices. Plus to get back to what i truly meant is Walt never cared how much it cost. If it could be built he signed off for it. Tell me if Iger or any one below his jurisdiction can do that?
 
jt04

jt04

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Disneyhead'71 said:
The way I look at it is a lot of insiders are getting a lot of partial info. All of it needs to be processed through the "Facts Assimilator Machine" into useful info.
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You called?

They are not spending around 3 billion in one park for content. If the price includes new infrastructure, roads, cast support facilities, parking garages etc. then that number makes sense. Expect something closer to DCA 2.0 rather than a DisneySea scale makeover.

IMO.
 
Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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jt04 said:
You called?

They are not spending around 3 billion in one park for content. If the price includes new infrastructure, roads, cast support facilities, parking garages etc. then that number makes sense. Expect something closer to DCA 2.0 rather than a DisneySea scale makeover.

IMO.
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See, that is what I'm thinking is going on. $2.8 Billion resort wide. $1.8 Billion for DHS in-park, the rest goes roadways, parking garages, and various infrastructure upgrades and, of course, the smaller Epcot and MK upgrades..
 
Matt_Black

Matt_Black

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FettFan said:
Considering it's a running theme of the movie, and was previously alluded to by Dash and Helen ("Everyone's special" "That means no one is"), I'd say it's a valid point.
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No, it's not. It's said by a petulant child and THE VILLAIN OF THE MOVIE (who was, essentially, a petulant child grown up).
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

Premium Member
jt04 said:
You called?

They are not spending around 3 billion in one park for content. If the price includes new infrastructure, roads, cast support facilities, parking garages etc. then that number makes sense. Expect something closer to DCA 2.0 rather than a DisneySea scale makeover.

IMO.
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$1.7 billion would buy a LOT of infrastructure, far more then would be needed for DHS. If that much is going to infrastructure it's for much more then just DHS.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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DDLand said:
Except this rumor will not die. Starting with Jim back a few months ago, that's when it all started.

At around that time @marni tried to calm everyone down:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...llywood-adventure.901419/page-11#post-6782910

I think it popped up yet again with another individual. Now it's making the rounds in this slash film article from, in their own words "Someone claiming to be in the know." (Twitter user https://mobile.twitter.com/VashSky) The article is http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-13/

Frankly, I find it amusing that everyone is freaking out when several credible sources have said remain calm. It sums up the gulf between here and elsewhere in the Disney news world.

It is of course entirely possible WDI got rejected a second time, but that just sounds insane. You have a board and executives telling you that your ideas weren't big enough, and then you come back with new lame ideas. Does that sound a little unlike WDI?
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No it just sounds like corporate Politricks - generate lots of positive Buzz by giving a planning division an ambitious project and then keep sending it back saying 'not enough bang' - allows the finance guys to say we are going to do something awesome, the planning department confirms they are working on 'Awesome Project' - yet nothing actually gets built and the bonus train keeps rolling as the 'Street rewards management for fooling the public and not spending any money.
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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Disneyhead'71 said:
See, that is what I'm thinking is going on. $2.8 Billion resort wide. $1.8 Billion for DHS in-park, the rest goes roadways, parking garages, and various infrastructure upgrades and, of course, the smaller Epcot and MK upgrades..
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I can see that.

Edit: also.... I trust the people around this forum more. Proven track record and then some.

People who depend on page clicks for advertising or downloads for their podcasts? They haven't faired so well.
 
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