Homer fan
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With all the closures at DHS, I don't see how it wouldn't be fast-tracked. At least the pixar place expansion has to be.
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DHS Makeover - What we know so far.....
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Kman101
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I just want Pixar Place expansion to be more than a Toy Story Playland. I know the old rumors had a couple of rides on top of that, so I hope that hasn't changed, or it's increased. I have no issues like some with TSP coming but I don't want that to be the only Pixar expansion. I'd like to see other properties used, like The Incredibles, UP, etc. I mean, Monsters Inc. had a mini-land planned for DCA. Why can't we get that? (Not saying we aren't ... nothing's been hinted at since "plans changed") although we keep hearing the Monsters Coaster is dead. Or maybe not. I'd love it if we got it.
yensidtlaw1969
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If one takes into account the potential scales of each park's projects, I could believe Disneyland might see theirs open first. They have so much less space, and must be considering something smaller than WDW's plan to seemingly transform nearly that whole side of its park. California might get it first simply because Florida's expansion may be bigger and take more time to build.
NoChesterHester
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I hope everyone realizes that even a fast tracked project of this scale would take 36 months. BUT if they wanted to capitalize on the Star Wars fever that is pervasive at the moment sooner is better then later.
Brer Panther
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Dear lord, do I hate that ending.
That was me. I stand by that theory that if Pooh had replaced Snow White, people would be far more accepting of it instead of dumping on it because it had the audacity to replace Mr. Toad. ANY attraction could've replaced Mr. Toad and they would have hated it. And yes, I am aware that there are fans of Mr. Toad who don't hate Pooh.
That's how I feel, too. I'm fine with the Toy Story Playland stuff, but I hope that's not the only thing we're getting.
ToTBellHop
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I can't think of any closures that have been near to the Star Wars addition. Everything that has closed has been for Pixar. Once we have a closure for LMA, SoA, Premier Theatre, and/or Indy, we will know that the commencement of work on the project is imminent. Everything I have seen suggests that Pixar will be added first.
How about we end the Mermaid discussion here. It's been established that Disney still builds dark rides (Mystic Manor?), so the point is moot. Like most jt-generated discussions.
EPCOTCenterLover
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Would anyone here love a Mary Poppins ride in DHS using the trackless system? I sure would!
ToTBellHop
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I'd love a trackless ride that features Mary Poppins, but we've had that since 1989.
Bocabear
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It is all about a sense of staging... Mermaid has beautiful animatronics..but the settings are so tight to the track and so shallow, you barely get a chance to enjoy them. The first setting you only get to hear about 2 words of what Scuttle says because you are moving too fast for the proximirt of the setting. Had the set been deeper and wider there would have been more time to take in the entire scene... That continues in Ariel's Grotto scene and the Ursula scene. The Under The Sea rom is really the only part that allows proper space for the spectacle to unfold. Compare this with Pirates or Haunted Mansion. Neither would have been successful if the figures and setting were crammed tight against the track....Overall idea was great...Settings are beautiful, but the staging makes them much less effective.... So the desire to cram the ride into the smallest footprint actually makes an expensive ride look a lot less so...a longer track/ larger settings would make this ride epic.That's so interesting to me - Mermaid is such a fascinating case study in dark rides because it is so much more lavish than Pan or Toad, and yet seems to register overall as less effective. I don't think anyone bemoans the few great animatronics it showcases, but for all the rest of the trouble they went to it feels like the ride comes up short. That jibes with the multiple retoolings it's undergone since opening at California Adventure four years ago, which have since been matched at WDW.
Someone mentioned in another thread recently that they believed Winnie the Pooh should perhaps have replaced Snow White instead of Mr. Toad, and went on to suggest that Toad probably would have turned into Mermaid then at a later date. Reading that, I couldn't help imagining Mermaid being translated into a ride that would fit that building; in the style of some of the older Fantasyland Dark Rides, blacklight cut-outs and all. It reminded me of this Emporium window display -- I feel like, with so much less, it does so much more to capture the feel of the movie than the ride actually does. Even with its expensive rock work and cheap fish-mobiles (Beautiful queue and Ursula animatronic not withstanding).
I guess what I wonder, then, is what would Disney define as "far less lavish"? Fewer animatronics? Less interior rockwork? Because if it meant scaling back to a style closer to an Emporium window diorama, with all it's inexpensive magic, maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing. I'd love to see them producing more in this style.
Yeah but of late, Robert hasnt been hitting the home runs... just long fly outs.
While I'm hopeful that Star Wars would come before Pixar, I'm not optimistic. I'd love for him to be right, I just havent heard that. Havent heard anything lately.
Could be old dates. Guess its time to ask around....
yensidtlaw1969
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I agree that would have changed it totally. Part of what's amazing about Pirates is, when you come down that drop into the battle scene, the room is so big (and well dressed) you really believe you're outside.
And, to speak at odds with my Emporium Diorama sentiment from before, if they were looking instead to go the route of Pirates and Mansion instead of a Fantasyland Dark Ride (which, by all accounts, they were), I would have loved to see a genuinely convincing illusion of being underwater. Pirates and Mansion are FULL of tricks to make you believe you're somewhere you're not. Give me something new and special that really evokes the look of underwater settings. That ceiling in the Under The Sea room? What a misfire.
That, or at least the convincing illusion of something swimming along. Imagine a swimming Ariel equivalent of Hopping Br'er Rabbit. Would have knocked people's socks off.
It could be done a lot quicker if the inclination was there.
All of EPCOT Center took 36 months. Including the swampy bit at the start.
gmajew
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Sort of like how the highway system was built in a few short years but today a simple job back then is 10 years today.
Rodan75
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I don't know if they jump on bandwagons...they just seem to report all information. I don't think of them as an insider, but as a news aggregator from the various theme park related outlet. He's gathering the gossip, not vetting it to make sure that the gossip makes sense.
Mike S
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I'm really starting to wonder if Disney would ever release videos of other unbuilt rides.
BrerJon
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Current rumours I've read are that the DHS Star Wars expansion is going to be a clone of Shanghai's Star Wars Launch Bay, possibly replacing the Magic of Animation. That doesn't seem like it would take 36 months to build from the concept art, it could be ready within a year.
And that information is atrociously wrong.
ToTBellHop
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Thank goodness. That would be more embarrassing than the plan that the BoD shot down last year. Honestly, it's embarrassing for Shanghai. They should have just left Star Wars and Marvel out until they were ready for a compelling phase 2. Go big or go home.
Star Wars launch bay is a meet and greet.
DHS will be building bigger than that.