DHS Makeover - What we know so far.....

[Daveeeeed]

Tomorrowland the movie was bad. I only went and almost everyone I know because of the name Tomorrowland. It would have flopped harder if it wouldn't have been for the iconic name Tomorrowland. Tomorrowland needs and overhaul more than any other land in Walt Disney World. The backside is just plain ugly starting from buzz all the way to Space Mountain. The trees in the back, and not having the metallic stuff plus the cool lighting really makes it look bad. I hope before frontierland that gets an update, but they should really do it simultaneously.

 

[Andrew C]

Tomorrowland needs and overhaul more than any other land in Walt Disney World.

I am okay with the current theme of MK's tomorrowland. Maybe they could use an updated attraction or two.

DL's version of tomorrowland is much worse in my opinion. The weakest part of that park to me.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Tomorrowland the movie was bad. I only went and almost everyone I know because of the name Tomorrowland. It would have flopped harder if it wouldn't have been for the iconic name Tomorrowland.

I actually really liked Tomorrowland, but it definitely had a lot of issues, mostly relating to the weak road movie structure and its hesitance to fully embrace the mythology they created for it that was the most compelling thing about it. The whole Plus Ultra thing is this perfect blend of Walt's brand of futurism that was the driving force of the older versions of the park area with the post-Discoveryland/Horizons notions of celebrating visions of the future from the past, especially with the inclusion of Verne. And the Before Tomorrowland tie-in novel that actually featured Tesla and some of the other historical members was a great pulpy adventure that would have itself made for a good movie.

I blame Damon Lindelof for a lot of its issues, especially the latter one seeing as he was saying in interviews that they cut the "Walt Disney was in on it" parts of the lore because quote "It made the movie feel too much like a Disney movie". Plus Lindelof's a bad writer in general.

 

[Mike S]

I actually really liked Tomorrowland, but it definitely had a lot of issues, mostly relating to the weak road movie structure and its hesitance to fully embrace the mythology they created for it that was the most compelling thing about it. The whole Plus Ultra thing is this perfect blend of Walt's brand of futurism that was the driving force of the older versions of the park area with the post-Discoveryland/Horizons notions of celebrating visions of the future from the past, especially with the inclusion of Verne. And the Before Tomorrowland tie-in novel that actually featured Tesla and some of the other historical members was a great pulpy adventure that would have itself made for a good movie.

I blame Damon Lindelof for a lot of its issues, especially the latter one seeing as he was saying in interviews that they cut the "Walt Disney was in on it" parts of the lore because quote "It made the movie feel too much like a Disney movie". Plus Lindelof's a bad writer in general.

The about 5-6 minute section of the girl exploring Tomorrowland should've been the whole movie. Looking back now the trailers felt like a bait and switch.

 

[Daveeeeed]

I was probably the most hyped up person about TOmorrowland on Earth you have no idea, but maybe my disappointment was what made we really not like it, but either way the story like it or not was just okay. Now for tomorrowland. Entrance looks good from Main street, but I swear it freaking sucks in the backside. Not futuristic at all. Just trees. Bland paint on buildings etc. Only thing that saves this land is Space Mountain. Shanghai Disney Resort may have a smaller tomorrowland, but that actually looks like the future. Rides aren't everything, the atmosphere and landscaping is the reason why Epcot has such high attendance. Tomorrowland just needs at least an E ticket, but the entire land, or at least the backside needs at least 100 million put in just on exteriors, landscaping, and numerous non ride additions. Easily the land should have a 500 dollar expansion. Frontierland has two epic etickets. Tomorrowland has 1, but Frontierland isn't lacking a great atmosphere, which Tomorrowland is sadly.

 

[AEfx]

World Showcase is not a people eater...

Are you kidding? It's the grand-daddy of people eaters - what else attracts so many people (and so much $) for offering so little to begin with, and remaining almost entirely stagnant for the past several decades?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Are you kidding? It's the grand-daddy of people eaters - what else attracts so many people (and so much $) for offering so little to begin with, and remaining almost entirely stagnant for the past several decades?

Agreed. It holds probably 30,000 people each night, largely doing nothing other than eating, drinking, and walking aimlessly. And maybe enjoying one low-capacity ride with a duck.

 

[Brian Swan]

So, a couple of people have hinted that some sort of water ride is on the table for DHS (may not be greenlit yet). We know there isn't a boat ride for TSL or Star Wars (the article about one for the latter appears to be a mistake, probably it was in reference to the boat ride for Pandora).

Can anyone suggest what would be the theme of this possible rumored water ride for DHS if it comes to pass? Indiana Jones? Something for Pixar?

A Ratatouille-themed indoor "river rapids" ride going through the storm sewers of Paris. The first time I saw the movie I thought "this would make a really cool ride..."

 

[Brian Swan]

The film as a whole? Yes. However, there are many elements that they will never, ever relegate to obscurity, like Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah, often cited as one of the best Disney songs.

The live action portions of the film are horrible; bad plot, bad writing, bad acting, and bad directing. With one MAJOR exception - James Baskett is brilliant as Uncle Remus, and the transitions into the animated sequences, and the sequences themselves, are classic Disney. I've often wondered why Disney couldn't "re-cut" the film into a series of individual tales introduced by Uncle Remus and pretend the rest of the film didn't exist.

This was my contribution to the "DHS Makeover thread that isn't"...

 

[Chris82]

Agreed. It holds probably 30,000 people each night, largely doing nothing other than eating, drinking, and walking aimlessly. And maybe enjoying one low-capacity ride with a duck.

lol

Imagineer #1: But how can we guarantee that World Showcase stays a sure-thing people eater for all time?
Other Imagineers: Hmmm....
Imagineer #2:

 

[FigmentJedi]

Shanghai Disney Resort may have a smaller tomorrowland, but that actually looks like the future.

I actually feel like Shanghai's Tomorrowland is aesthetically the worst Tomorrowland they've ever done. It's just a giant steel ribbon tent with some Disney sci-fi attractions inside with a Jetpack and Rocket garden. Where's the architectural variety?

 

[JRR1118]

Bored and in the ER all day today, I found these forums and have gotten an absolute kick out of reading the "spirited discussion" regarding just about everything. Although, the oxycodone may have helped too.

Anyway, I think it would be good for Disney to self-impose a standard saying, "Once every five/ten years, a scene is replaced in the Great Movie Ride." I'll admit that it will be hard on some people due to pure nostalgia, but I believe that that ride really is the spirit of the park. Refreshing it would help newer generations identify with it more and would be a treat for repeat visitors.

I really like the name Disney's Hollywood Adventure. It acknowledges the park's Hollywood themed foundation while the "adventure" aspect addresses the new, large scale, single-IP based lands for Guests to explore.

I work in park operations and HR at a Six Flags park, and even though we don't have as big of a focus on theming, a lot of the same emotions of Guests are evoked at both parks. Disney's Hollywood Adventure implies more of an active/interactive park experience vs a passive one (like rides like Ellen's...even though I'm a millennial who loves it).

Finally, remember that we're all on her for fun to discuss an industry of fun. Even though I sometimes might feel the same way, try to take a step back whenever users get into passive aggressive "fights" sometimes. Because we all have so much passion for the park's, that's what we need to remember when disagreements come up. But let me end this with again thanking everyone with an enthralling way to distract myself today.

-Josh

EDIT: Please excuse any typos and some confusing sentence structure. I'm a bit foggy from the meds I was given.

 

[danlb_2000]

Bored and in the ER all day today, I found these forums and have gotten an absolute kick out of reading the "spirited discussion" regarding just about everything. Although, the oxycodone may have helped too.

Anyway, I think it would be good for Disney to self-impose a standard saying, "Once every five/ten years, a scene is replaced in the Great Movie Ride." I'll admit that it will be hard on some people due to pure nostalgia, but I believe that that ride really is the spirit of the park. Refreshing it would help newer generations identify with it more and would be a treat for repeat visitors.

I really like the name Disney's Hollywood Adventure. It acknowledges the park's Hollywood themed foundation while the "adventure" aspect addresses the new, large scale, single-IP based lands for Guests to explore.

I work in park operations and HR at a Six Flags park, and even though we don't have as big of a focus on theming, a lot of the same emotions of Guests are evoked at both parks. Disney's Hollywood Adventure implies more of an active/interactive park experience vs a passive one (like rides like Ellen's...even though I'm a millennial who loves it).

Finally, remember that we're all on her for fun to discuss an industry of fun. Even though I sometimes might feel the same way, try to take a step back whenever users get into passive aggressive "fights" sometimes. Because we all have so much passion for the park's, that's what we need to remember when disagreements come up. But let me end this with again thanking everyone with an enthralling way to distract myself today.

-Josh

EDIT: Please excuse any typos and some confusing sentence structure. I'm a bit foggy from the meds I was given.

I think everyone should take oxycodone before reading the spirit threads.

Refreshing things more often would solve a lot of the nostalgia problems. There are people that would hate to see the BatB show go from DHS, but if they swapped it out with a new quality show every 5 years or so people wouldn't be so upset with it changing.

 

[JRR1118]

I think everyone should take oxycodone before reading the spirit threads.

Refreshing things more often would solve a lot of the nostalgia problems. There are people that would hate to see the BatB show go from DHS, but if they swapped it out with a new quality show every 5 years or so people would be so upset with it changing.

I actually never thought of it that way. If change was a regular thing, people would get used to it and love the parks even more. Because when you don't change something for 30+ years or whatever, a whole generation becomes attached to whatever it is, even if it's something pretty crappy/dilapidated/boring.

 

[Mike S]

I actually never thought of it that way. If change was a regular thing, people would get used to it and love the parks even more. Because when you don't change something for 30+ years or whatever, a whole generation becomes attached to whatever it is, even if it's something pretty crappy/dilapidated/boring.

Case and point: the Main Street Electrical Parade.

 

[Pam Hates Penguins]

Meanwhile, back to DHS... I think they should move Fantasmic to a different park (maybe move it to the Magic Kingdom?) and put in another show. Fantasmic just doesn't seem to belong there to me... What kind of show would all of you like?

 

[roj2323]

Meanwhile, back to DHS... I think they should move Fantasmic to a different park (maybe move it to the Magic Kingdom?) and put in another show. Fantasmic just doesn't seem to belong there to me... What kind of show would all of you like?

Why not just set up the theater so they can run a different daytime show? Pirates or something perhaps.

 

[Pam Hates Penguins]

Why not just set up the theater so they can run a different daytime show? Pirates or something perhaps.

What I am about to say sounds like a bad idea, but this just popped into my mind. A Cars 2 type of stunt show with Finn McMissle, Mater, and Holly Shiftwell . Similar to Lights Motors Action (which will be closing).

 

[Pam Hates Penguins]

Well you didn't have to go into detail with the picture, but OK.

 

[roj2323]

What I am about to say sounds like a bad idea, but this just popped into my mind. A Cars 2 type of stunt show with Finn McMissle, Mater, and Holly Shiftwell . Similar to Lights Motors Action (which will be closing).

umm, No.