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DHS Makeover - What we know so far.....
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ChrisFL
Premium Member
I was just about to come here and post the same thing. I mean we have separate forums for Avatar and Disney Springs and DHS will be a bigger project than either of those
danlb_2000
Premium Member
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
You are absolutely correct, Would MS&S be appropriate later probably not, But with the massive closures a show like MS&S was always great at night and we always stayed to listen to a couple of sets at least no they were not the greatest band ever but they were FUN and that's why people go to WDW, What irks me is Disney seems to be taking all the FUN elements away so why should I spend my dollars there.
Disney's current target market seems to be the 'One and Done' visitor who has no context as to what the parks USED to be. We spent car type money there every year but now I just no longer see the value. Disney has forgotten that it was the locals and AP holders who saved WDW after 9/11
HauntedMansionFLA
Well-Known Member
DVCOwner
A Long Time DVC Member
I do not think Disney could do anything to make you happy. I see large improvements coming in Animal Kingdom, Disney Springs, and now Hollywood Studios. Now people are saying even more is on the way and you do not believe it. Well you where wrong on so much other stuff that I think you are must likely wrong on this.
wannabeBelle
Well-Known Member
I agree about the locals and AP holders after 9/11. The parks in those days was a ghost town as so many people were afraid to fly. People such as @Master Yoda can tell you better about those days. I do believe bigger and better is on the way but my problem is that they are CRIPPLING the park in the meantime and this will be true for a few YEARS! There is no need to close whatever little attractions you do have open and can be moved around such as Mulch, and the Jedi Academy. It just doesnt seem to make sense to me and even from a newbie perspective, if I visited the park I think I'd be very unhappy in comparison to the other Disney Parks. I realize that you are going to need a lot of area to do the construction and development that is going to be required but either close the gates on the park and re-do it the right way, or leave it open and leave whatever attractions you can save during the construction by moving them, if at all possible. I love Mulch and yes they are FUN. I understand that the Osbourne lights are not an easily moved attraction, but it will be something I miss for sure as well. What is going to be left besides construction walls? Marie
wannabeBelle
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SYRIK2000
Well-Known Member
Construction will take a year? Are they saying for SWL? or just clearing for SWL?
Eoghann
Active Member
It sounds more like this is the prep work before the actual land can be built.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
The attractions around the River of America will be closed for a year (although I have seen some places say 18 months). SWL would take longer, and may start in back stage areas which the ROA work is done.
glvsav37
Well-Known Member
I think the MS&S thing would have a number of reasons why they are closing them down.
I wouldn't doubt it of their contract was up and they were probably looking for a long term deal that would have stretched well into the park referb. And then after the referb, who knows if their style fits into the themeing.
Along with that, I think WDW management is already expecting a large downturn in attendance during construction, and they are most likely looking to shed as much daily operating costs as they can to align with the expected daily revenue—why pay them to play to an empty house.
As for the locals discussion, I cant speak for the parks, but I would argue that the Disney Springs revival is a huge commitment to the local community. Granted, it is geared at getting you to spend your money, but I don't' see how a large retail space, contemporary bowling alley and movie theaters attract guests who are there for a limited time and should really be in the parks. Add in some of the retail that IMO is not something I am spending money on while on vacation. Plus, who needs a parking structure that large when you are pushing your guests to use the magical express? I'd say DS is 80% focused on the locals.
I wouldn't doubt it of their contract was up and they were probably looking for a long term deal that would have stretched well into the park referb. And then after the referb, who knows if their style fits into the themeing.
Along with that, I think WDW management is already expecting a large downturn in attendance during construction, and they are most likely looking to shed as much daily operating costs as they can to align with the expected daily revenue—why pay them to play to an empty house.
As for the locals discussion, I cant speak for the parks, but I would argue that the Disney Springs revival is a huge commitment to the local community. Granted, it is geared at getting you to spend your money, but I don't' see how a large retail space, contemporary bowling alley and movie theaters attract guests who are there for a limited time and should really be in the parks. Add in some of the retail that IMO is not something I am spending money on while on vacation. Plus, who needs a parking structure that large when you are pushing your guests to use the magical express? I'd say DS is 80% focused on the locals.
wannabeBelle
Well-Known Member
I agree about the not fitting in after the refurb, however I think that is at a minimum of two years down the road. In the meantime, the park is getting rid of way too much at one time. I cant speak to Mulch's contract specifically but I believe all of the Entertainment contracts are for a single year at a time and are renewed each year. This one actually does expire on 10/8/2015 which is their 11 year anniversary but they are playing until 10/10/2015, I guess to finish out the week. Between this and the Jedi Training Experience, both of which could be moved and are popular enough, I dont understand these closures at all. Marie
Eoghann
Active Member
Jedi Training Academy isn't being closed permanently just reworked.
wannabeBelle
Well-Known Member
I got that, but with so many other things closed, why now? Can the rework be done off stage? There are a number of other options I can think of besides closing out such a popular attraction. Marie
Eoghann
Active Member
In this case I think that's unlikely since apparently the new show will be in the same location but with a new set.
There may be a legitimate issue with whether MS&S should have been dropped (assuming they are actually a draw of some sort) but I don't think you can put Jedi Training Academy in the same category. They are closing it to upgrade the show, and since we've been asking for upgrades it seems unreasonable to complain about that.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
You do the upgrade in parallel, You build the 'NEW' show while running the old one, At least if you CARE about the guest experience
wannabeBelle
Well-Known Member
If an update to the Jedi Academy was needed, that is fine. I dont have any problem with updating and enhancing the show, that is awesome. Taking the show out now when so many other things are closing just seems like not the best idea anyone has had. I have been saying for a while, if you shut something down to change it or build something else, that is great. Close on Sunday, start moving dirt first thing Monday morning!!! I am aware some things may not be able to be done that quickly due to logistics but at least be headed in that direction!!! I am really honestly looking forward to the park's changes and the new offerings, but they are very far away right now. In the meantime, dont diminish the guest experience to the point where it feels like this was just a wasted day and could have been spent better at another area attraction. Marie
wannabeBelle
Well-Known Member
Well said Ford!!!! That is what I meant about doing the update offstage. Marie
Eoghann
Active Member
For the show that make sense. For the stage that strikes me as rather more challenging. Either way this one is supposed to be back before the end of the year so it's hardly in the same category as removing attractions.