DHS CARS LAND

[GoofGoof]

Not sure why not. I spent 3 days at Tokyo Disneyland and Disney Sea, went to the Emporer's Palace, saw the tuna auctions in the wee hours of the morning at Tsukiji fish market, visited Hakone National Park, rode a bullet train, watched the Harijuku Girls, and stood half way up Mt. Fuji all on the same trip.

Same with China. I had a full slate of things to see, but made sure to schedule a day on Lantau Island with the Mouse.

Just personal preference. If I want to go to a Disney park I go to WDW. Maybe DL. If I traveled to Japan or China on a regular basis I am sure I would stop in the Disney parks on one of my trips. If I am doing a once in a lifetime trip to China or Japan Disney would not make my list of things to do. I am not putting anyone down who chooses to visit the international parks. This is just my preference. I guess I am just not a big enough fan. To the point of the original post, if they took a ride or show from Japan or Paris and cloned it in WDW I would have no problem with that since it is the only way I will likely see it. The majority of guests are probably in the same boat as me. DL probably has more overlap, but still not significant enough to stop them from doing it. Even if you regularly travel to both DL and WDW if a ride is good (Splash Mountain) why is it bad to have a clone? You always get to ride that ride no matter which park you visit. If the ride is not good then I can see the problem.

 

[doctornick]

I'm just saying that I don't personally don't understand the point of it. Omnimovers, coasters, off the shelf rides make sense cause of the multiple applications for it. TT's ride system is more centralized on giving the sensation that it's a car. It's just not my cup of tea when having two versions of an exclusive ride system that's first incarnation was here at Epcot.

Still don't understand. They are very different rides. In Test Track, the ride system takes you along a series of situations where you experience different environments. In RSR, there is a lot of AAs of characters and you visit the town of Radiator Springs before having a side by side race with another vehicle. You'd really have to be focusing on it to even realize it's the same ride mechanics on the two attractions. They don't feel similar at all because they are used in different ways with different themes.

If you put an unthemed car on the same tract as either one of them and just ran it without scenes, it would be a boring and pointless ride. The ride mechanics are a means to an end, but are not in and of themselves all that interesting. It's no different than an Omnimover.

 

[PurpleRose]

Just personal preference. If I want to go to a Disney park I go to WDW. Maybe DL. If I traveled to Japan or China on a regular basis I am sure I would stop in the Disney parks on one of my trips. If I am doing a once in a lifetime trip to China or Japan Disney would not make my list of things to do. I am not putting anyone down who chooses to visit the international parks. This is just my preference. I guess I am just not a big enough fan. To the point of the original post, if they took a ride or show from Japan or Paris and cloned it in WDW I would have no problem with that since it is the only way I will likely see it. The majority of guests are probably in the same boat as me. DL probably has more overlap, but still not significant enough to stop them from doing it. Even if you regularly travel to both DL and WDW if a ride is good (Splash Mountain) why is it bad to have a clone? You always get to ride that ride no matter which park you visit. If the ride is not good then I can see the problem.

I understand where you are coming from but if I had the opportunity to visit China or Japan, I would try my best to go to the parks. I also want to go to DL badly but the money just isn't there. I can drive to Orlando and a week would cost me around $600 whereas I would have to fly to DL and costs thousands for me. It's doable, of course, with saving and planning, but it's just difficult to justify the extra costs to DH, who isn't as into Disney as I am. He enjoys WDW but doesn't see the point to fly to WDL.

 

[doctornick]

Door coaster and RSR.

Both with gift shops and a few food places.

My educated guess. Not a full blown Carsland. If at all. Things aren't all green and pretty in either park yet.

This is my thought too. Long term, they probably figure they could/will be a Phase two "completing" Pixar Place by removing the Backlot Tour but this plan above is a way to keep the Backlot Tour open and operating while adding rides to the area (losing only LMA). Once the door coaster and RSR are open, then they can close the Backlot Tour and replace it because they'll have more stuff at that point.

Right now, DHS isn't really ready to lose both the Backlot and LMA without something coming online first.

 

[ChrisFL]

If I am doing a once in a lifetime trip to China or Japan Disney would not make my list of things to do. I am not putting anyone down who chooses to visit the international parks. This is just my preference.

I can understand that sentiment, the only reason I disagree is because of the crown jewel called Tokyo DisneySea, which any Disney fan owes it to themselves to see at least once in their lifetime...its that good.

 

[PurpleRose]

I would like to see the Monster's coaster up and running before anything happening with either the Backlot or LMA but of course, that's in a perfect world. *sigh*

 

[Cody5294]

Juicy stuff.

Easy to imagine the Cars/Avatar switcheroo happening. Cars is more proven, kid-friendly, better with the merch and easier to make happen than Avatar. Not sure if I'm reading between the lines on this, but does that mean they see Cars coming no sooner than 2015?

And I was also somewhat surprised that LMA could be on the cutting block. When was the last time a major attraction was up for removal seven years after its debut? If only they could be so quick to correct there mistakes at other parks (Stitch, e.g.).

I would rather have avatar over cars land

 

[Californian Elitist]

No offense but I hear all this clamoring about clones and we forget when DCA needed help and DL too, many WDW rides were sent there. This is nearly payback...other than RSR I cannot think of one ride or attraction in recent years that went from DL to WDW (other than simultaneously planned ones like TSM and LM).

Plus we will be getting whatever comes from Avatar Land (while may not be exciting to some) that will be unique to WDW for now.

Payback? What do you mean by payback? A few rides is not the same as an ENTIRE LAND. That we JUST got by the way. We just got Cars Land and now TDO wants to piggyback off of TDA's ideas and DCA's success. They need to come up with some new, original ideas.

 

[doctornick]

Monsters Inc. can be the dark ride, just clone the ride over at DCA and put it next to TSMM, but not the coaster. And with the Cantina, sounds like its sort of in the air. Finally, with American Idol, I don't think that's going out anytime soon. IMO, anyways.

Without knowing too much detail, the Door Coaster does sound like it would be a height restriction ride, which RSR certainly is. And there does need to be more things for children under 40" to enjoy (or people who don't like thrill rides). Cloning the DHS Monsters Inc ride would work, but I'd like to see TDO bring in Monsters Inc Ride & Go Seek (from Tokyo). Not only would it be a a unique ride in the US, but I think it would be something that would actually create hype and be seen as a peer of TSMM.

 

[spacemt354]

Payback? What do you mean by payback? A few rides is not the same as an ENTIRE LAND. That we JUST got by the way. We just got Cars Land and now TDO wants to piggyback off of TDA's ideas and DCA's success. They need to come up with some new, original ideas.

Over the years, attractions have been imported and exported throughout the parks. And the fundamental ride concept that was used for RSR was used for Test Track in wdw, so I don't feel it's all one sided with TDO simply piggybacking off of TDA's ideas all the time. That's a bit of a generalization to me. We are acting as if a potential RSR move to DHS is the first time this type of move from park to park has ever happened. WDW is not taking any thunder away from DL because A) it probably won't even be built in DHS till 2015, that's three more years of exclusivity in California. B) it's not like Carsland is disappearing from DCA. The people who enjoy it now, can and will, continue to enjoy it. C) By the time RSR is built, DL will already be on its next big concept (Tomorrowland or DCA phase 2), it's not like they are just gonna stop expanding after Carsland and this was their grand finale.

DCA will continue to grow and succeed if these types of ideas evolve in the future. TDO will thrive if they remain faithful to their creative and inventive nature after this shot in the arm RSR will give DHS. Avatar, FLE, Pixar Place Expansion with a Monster's Inc Coaster, and many more in the future.

 

[GoofGoof]

Over the years, attractions have been imported and exported throughout the parks. And the fundamental ride concept that was used for RSR was used for Test Track in wdw, so I don't feel it's all one sided with TDO simply piggybacking off of TDA's ideas all the time. That's a bit of a generalization to me. We are acting as if a potential RSR move to DHS is the first time this type of move from park to park has ever happened. WDW is not taking any thunder away from DL because A) it probably won't even be built in DHS till 2015, that's three more years of exclusivity in California. B) it's not like Carsland is disappearing from DCA. The people who enjoy it now, can and will, continue to enjoy it. C) By the time RSR is built, DL will already be on its next big concept (Tomorrowland or DCA phase 2), it's not like they are just gonna stop expanding after Carsland and this was their grand finale.

DCA will continue to grow and succeed if these types of ideas evolve in the future. TDO will thrive if they remain faithful to their creative and inventive nature after this shot in the arm RSR will give DHS. Avatar, FLE, Pixar Place Expansion with a Monster's Inc Coaster, and many more in the future.

D) Most people visit WDW or DL (not both) so for them there will not be an overlap. We do hear from some on this board that they regularly attend both, but this is a Disney fan sight and I bet still less than half the people regularly visit both. I have been to DL, but I probably won't be back for many years still. Building this is FL will allow me to enjoy it. I know that I am not alone.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Over the years, attractions have been imported and exported throughout the parks. And the fundamental ride concept that was used for RSR was used for Test Track in wdw, so I don't feel it's all one sided with TDO simply piggybacking off of TDA's ideas all the time. That's a bit of a generalization to me. We are acting as if a potential RSR move to DHS is the first time this type of move from park to park has ever happened. WDW is not taking any thunder away from DL because A) it probably won't even be built in DHS till 2015, that's three more years of exclusivity in California. B) it's not like Carsland is disappearing from DCA. The people who enjoy it now, can and will, continue to enjoy it. C) By the time RSR is built, DL will already be on its next big concept (Tomorrowland or DCA phase 2), it's not like they are just gonna stop expanding after Carsland and this was their grand finale.

DCA will continue to grow and succeed if these types of ideas evolve in the future. TDO will thrive if they remain faithful to their creative and inventive nature after this shot in the arm RSR will give DHS. Avatar, FLE, Pixar Place Expansion with a Monster's Inc Coaster, and many more in the future.

Just because the ride system is the same doesn't mean the rides that share that system are the same. If that were the case, we'd be able to say Mansion and Mermaid are the same ride. They're not, though. It's all about concept. You probably won't understand how I'm feeling, because we're coming from different perspectives.

This is not TDO being creative, and I didn't say TDO piggybacks off of TDA all the time. If Cars Land happens, which I'm hoping it doesn't, they will definitely be piggybacking off TDA. Can't deny that. I'm saying they need to sit down, stop being lazy, and come up with some really cool, new ideas, instead of looking at the other resort and wanting to copy what they came up with.

 

[GoofGoof]

Just because the ride system is the same doesn't mean the rides that share that system are the same. If that were the case, we'd be able to say Mansion and Mermaid are the same ride. They're not, though. It's all about concept. You probably won't understand how I'm feeling, because we're coming from different perspectives.

This is not TDO being creative, and I didn't say TDO piggybacks off of TDA all the time. If Cars Land happens, which I'm hoping it doesn't, they will definitely be piggybacking off TDA. Can't deny that. I'm saying they need to sit down, stop being lazy, and come up with some really cool, new ideas, instead of looking at the other resort and wanting to copy what they came up with.

We love to kill TDO on here, but I think this one is over their heads. This is coming down from the top.

 

[Californian Elitist]

We love to kill TDO on here, but I think this one is over their heads. This is coming down from the top.

I have a hard time believing that. They need to think of something new. How does Cars Land even fit the theme of the park?

 

[spacemt354]

Just because the ride system is the same doesn't mean the rides that share that system are the same. If that were the case, we'd be able to say Mansion and Mermaid are the same ride. They're not, though. It's all about concept. You probably won't understand how I'm feeling, because we're coming from different perspectives.

This is not TDO being creative, and I didn't say TDO piggybacks off of TDA all the time. If Cars Land happens, which I'm hoping it doesn't, they will definitely be piggybacking off TDA. Can't deny that. I'm saying they need to sit down, stop being lazy, and come up with some really cool, new ideas, instead of looking at the other resort and wanting to copy what they came up with.

I see what you're saying but hypothetical situation, let's say Avatar becomes a huge success in AK and TDA wants to replace Autopia with Avatar on the west coast.

Well it was TDO idea, but for me, I wouldn't mind the addition in DL because for the people who may not have the means or time to travel across the country to see something in WDW, this now gives them an opportunity to experience it in DL.

A good crowd barometer is at the end of Spaceship Earth, when you can see where everyone is from in the world. With the few people who like to be funny saying they are from Antarctica, the globe at the end of the attraction puts in persepctive where the guests are coming from. A majority of that map is taken up by the northeast, florida, and the UK. Although there are some from California, it for sure isn't as many guests as the others listed.

What that shows me is what GoofGoof said earlier. It's rare people travel to both DL and WDW. Most are either one or the other. While I do understand that the hype around Carsland has made some decide to travel from the east coast the west coast for a trip, I highly doubt that would be a reoccurring thing for those guests. More often they will choose the closer and more cost-effective method of travel, even if Carsland was exclusively on the west coast. Again, just my opinion, maybe I'm wrong, but that is how I see it.

 

[unkadug]

I have a hard time believing that. They need to think of something new. How does Cars Land even fit the theme of the park?

What exactly IS the theme of the park?

 

[spacemt354]

I have a hard time believing that. They need to think of something new. How does Cars Land even fit the theme of the park?

From what I have been able to disect from reading this thread, it sounds to me like it won't include all of Carsland, just RSR and maybe some food services.

In the Back left corner of DHS there is "Pixar Place" I put that in quotes because there is only one ride there, so I don't really consider it a land yet. RSR will fit with this theme. DHS does have an identity crisis, but I think making Pixar Place an officialy land with RSR, maybe a monster's inc coaster, and the official removal of the backlot, will help mold Pixar as the contributor to the back left corner of the studios.

Hollywood Boulevard, Sunset Boulevard in the front, Lucas themed area with Indy and Star Tours, The Animation Courtyard with TLM show and Magic of Disney Animation tour, Muppets in its own area, and now an official Pixar Place.

It might not be perfect, but it is definitely a step in the right direction!

 

[Rasvar]

My biggest issue with RSR in WDW is that I am not sure how well that attraction would hold up in the Central Florida climate. A lot of the attraction is outdoors to allow for the proper feel. I am pretty sure more than Test Track. An indoor RSR just won't have the right feel to it. Plus, it will have a lot more downtime in the high volume summer months than its DCA counterpart. So I still have to wonder how successfully the attraction can be transplanted into DHS.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I see what you're saying but hypothetical situation, let's say Avatar becomes a huge success in AK and TDA wants to replace Autopia with Avatar on the west coast.

Well it was TDO idea, but for me, I wouldn't mind the addition in DL because for the people who may not have the means or time to travel across the country to see something in WDW, this now gives them an opportunity to experience it in DL.

A good crowd barometer is at the end of Spaceship Earth, when you can see where everyone is from in the world. With the few people who like to be funny saying they are from Antarctica, the globe at the end of the attraction puts in persepctive where the guests are coming from. A majority of that map is taken up by the northeast, florida, and the UK. Although there are some from California, it for sure isn't as many guests as the others listed.

What that shows me is what GoofGoof said earlier. It's rare people travel to both DL and WDW. Most are either one or the other. While I do understand that the hype around Carsland has made some decide to travel from the east coast the west coast for a trip, I highly doubt that would be a reoccurring thing for those guests. More often they will choose the closer and more cost-effective method of travel, even if Carsland was exclusively on the west coast. Again, just my opinion, maybe I'm wrong, but that is how I see it.

Exactly, though I feel slightly different. If Californians want to see the future Avatar Land, they need to save and hop on a plane. Same for Floridians who want to see Cars Land. The whole "can't go to the other coast" excuse just doesn't make sense to me. In that case, Epcot, DAK, and DHS should be built in California and DCA should be built in Florida, since everyone "can't travel" and deserve to see everything offered on both coasts.

 

[wm49rs]

This is not TDO being creative, and I didn't say TDO piggybacks off of TDA all the time. If Cars Land happens, which I'm hoping it doesn't, they will definitely be piggybacking off TDA. Can't deny that. I'm saying they need to sit down, stop being lazy, and come up with some really cool, new ideas, instead of looking at the other resort and wanting to copy what they came up with.

Which they very well may be able to do with Avatar. But by bringing components of CL to DHS they've eliminated the costs of ride design and testing, and I would imagine more on the construction side as well. Which hopefully would result in having more capital to spend elsewhere. Unfortunately, CL at DCA was a victim of its own success in this instance.