News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[mkt]

The same can go back to shutting down someone's vehicle for their livelyhood because the mechanic the state said they had to take it to be inspected shut them down. There would need to be at the very least documented reasoning.

All the concerns can be found with state vehicle inspections of millions of individuals. This being a major company does not change that fact.

Not comparable. Vehicle inspections have published standards, clear definitions, defined timelines, and a variety of providers.

The new monorail safety inspections have none of that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It has to be worded that way as if there is an accident like, let's say a panel falling off into a parking lot or guest area, they would have to come in and inspect it rather than "oh well it was just fiberglass that fell so we won't shut it down to inspect."The Department of Agriculture often has similar wording.

So if this is the part you take issue with you can relax a little bit.

No, it doesn’t have to be worded that way. You can give authority to close following incidents until there is a subsequent inspection. Ride inspections aren’t usually set up to only impact one facility as punishment.

 

[flynnibus]

The new monorail safety inspections have none of that.

No that's not fair.

They have 'none of that' YET. The law is for the DOT to create such standards (like they do for everything else) - The law empowering them is not going to define the standards.

 

[celluloid]

No, it doesn’t have to be worded that way. You can give authority to close following incidents until there is a subsequent inspection. Ride inspections aren’t usually set up to only impact one facility as punishment.

They certainly are bias towards numbers. Or is that only ok when it works in Disney's favor? Fun Spot faces different and more strict inspections than Disney has.

 

[flynnibus]

You missed the point. The 10 year old would be acting against the law of the state(authority)that says that must hold an appropriate liscense and active vehicle insurance to legally operate.

The point of inspections isn't to be 'inside the law' or not - It's to improve safety. The entire reference under discussion was the improvement of safety DUE TO INSPECTIONS -- not stats on legal compliance.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They certainly are bias towards numbers. Or is that only ok when it works in Disney's favor? Fun Spot faces different and more strict inspections than Disney has.

The inspection laws weren’t written to just create stricter rules for Fun Spot. Nor do they only exempt Disney.

 

[celluloid]

The point of inspections isn't to be 'inside the law' or not - It's to improve safety. The entire reference under discussion was the improvement of safety DUE TO INSPECTIONS -- not stats on legal compliance.

No. I brought the state inspection on how it is a lose lose argument either way. It is an authoritarian reach of authority even if it does work. (Many studies show it does not)You can have a car.you plan on not driving at all. Like legally you set yourseld up to not have it anywhere but your land, but you still must register it and have it inspected many states with that practice.

Saying it is ok because it works is the "But the trains were on time" argument again I keep seeing people post about comparing DeSantis to wicked Dictators. The guy does not have any of my vote no matter what office, but yeah.

 

[mkt]

No that's not fair.

They have 'none of that' YET. The law is for the DOT to create such standards (like they do for everything else) - The law empowering them is not going to define the standards.

No.

Their existence as an executive branch agency subject to the whims of the governor will.

Stop thinking that Florida is a place run by technocrats and laws. If you haven't noticed, laws are now subject to the governor's whims and clearly unqualified people can get appointments.

 

[flynnibus]

No.

Their existence as an executive branch agency subject to the whims of the governor will.

Stop thinking that Florida is a place run by technocrats and laws. If you haven't noticed, laws are now subject to the governor's whims and clearly unqualified people can get appointments.

You literally were damning the standards for not existing - which is not fair at all because they literally haven't had the opportunity, or responsibility to be created yet.

Full stop.

 

[celluloid]

You literally were damning the standards for not existing - which is not fair at all because they literally haven't had the opportunity, or responsibility to be created yet.

Full stop.

Yeah. I know we disagree but I thank you for pointing out the disingenuous nature there.

We have no idea what standards will be written.

 

[Dranth]

So it's only authoritarianism if it is retaliation? That is misinformed. Not mutually exclusive.

Using the government for silencing or punishing those that disagree is 100% authoritarian. That was the point of the analogy, not that nothing else could be.

 

[mkt]

You literally were damning the standards for not existing - which is not fair at all because they literally haven't had the opportunity, or responsibility to be created yet.

Full stop.

They've clearly and on record said the intention is to punish Disney. And just based by the vague parts of the law, I expect the standards to be unreasonable and unrealistic as to the point of being punitive, and the enforcement to be arbitrary.

Stop assuming you're dealing with American politicians: this is third world crap.

 

[Nubs70]

The state is allowed to shut down the system at any time, of its choosing, to conduct unspecified inspections for as long as it deems necessary (and the publicly stated purpose for this authority is to cause disruptions). That’s not the same as people getting to schedule when an inspection takes place.

Once an inspection takes place, WDW would have standing to challenge the inspection. At this point, WDW does not have standing.

 

[flynnibus]

They've clearly and on record said the intention is to punish Disney. And just based by the vague parts of the law, I expect the standards to be unreasonable and unrealistic as to the point of being punitive, and the enforcement to be arbitrary.

The language that instructions the DOT to create the standards and on what basis those would be created was not modified from before. What was modified what systems would be in scope and added language about explictly including structural inspections for raised elements and shutdowns for inspector safety. The DOT is going to have to create standards for these new systems, and be site specific... and written considering:

"Standards must be site-specific for fixed-guideway transportation systems and shall be developed jointly by the department and representatives of the affected systems, giving full consideration to nationwide industry safety norms relating to the development and operation of fixed guideway transportation systems."

Yes, the points about the potential for government abuse are there (and always have been) -- but gripes about 'vague' laws or non-existent standards are hand waving and not really valid arguments.

 

[mkt]

Yes, the points about the potential for government abuse are there (and always have been)

There is no potential for government abuse in thise case, because the entire premise for it was as a result of government abuse. Therefore there is no reason to assume that the standards - when implemented - will be done in good faith.

And read the law, it is vague.

 

[celluloid]

The language that instructions the DOT to create the standards and on what basis those would be created was not modified from before. What was modified what systems would be in scope and added language about explictly including structural inspections for raised elements and shutdowns for inspector safety. The DOT is going to have to create standards for these new systems, and be site specific... and written considering:

"Standards must be site-specific for fixed-guideway transportation systems and shall be developed jointly by the department and representatives of the affected systems, giving full consideration to nationwide industry safety norms relating to the development and operation of fixed guideway transportation systems."

Yes, the points about the potential for government abuse are there (and always have been) -- but gripes about 'vague' laws or non-existent standards are hand waving and not really valid arguments.

Thank you. It does not take much, but you have way more tact and a clear communication on what I was trying to say in this respect than I have. The wording of the law is always vague and offers abuse. I am glad we are all on the look out for the abuse that can always happen, but the bolded point you have there remains true.

 

[flynnibus]

There is no potential for government abuse in thise case, because the entire premise for it was as a result of government abuse. Therefore there is no reason to assume that the standards - when implemented - will be done in good faith.

And read the law, it is vague.

The quote is from the law about the standards to be created. And the potential for gov abuse always exists in any oversight/regulation. Again, the law did not add a new regulatory body - it changed what the existing DOT would be responsible to cover.

 

[DCBaker]

The Governor has signed HB 1305, the transportation bill that also authorizes the Florida Department of Transportation to inspect Walt Disney World’s monorail system. The bill goes into effect July 1, 2023.

Governor DeSantis Signs Thirty-Seven Bills

flgov.com

 

[Surferboy567]

The Governor has signed HB 1305, the transportation bill that also authorizes the Florida Department of Transportation to inspect Walt Disney World’s monorail system. The bill goes into effect July 1, 2023.

Governor DeSantis Signs Thirty-Seven Bills

flgov.com

He just can’t help himself, arming Disney with more ammo for the lawsuit.

Gotta love the quick turnaround date on anything Disney related. Everything else seems to move much slower. They need an injunction.

 

[JohnD]

He just can’t help himself, arming Disney with more ammo for the lawsuit.

Gotta love the quick turnaround date on anything Disney related. Everything else seems to move much slower. They need an injunction.

He signed 37 bills at the same time which means this one was signed without fanfare as was SB 1604 which revoked the RCID development agreement. The bill containing the inspections was an "omnibus" transportation bill with an amendment regarding the inspections added on late in the process.