News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[Lilofan]

I blame Iger for EVERYTHING.

Board selected him and continues to support him. Where is that long list or any list of external candidates?

 

[celluloid]

Board selected him and continues to support him. Where is that long list or any list of external candidates?

It is easy to support someone who gives you a few million bonus any time they give themselves a ten million bonus.

 

[mkt]

I blame Iger for EVERYTHING.

Same

When I rolled my ankle this morning, I cursed Iger.

 

[celluloid]

I won't celebrate what Desantis did here.

But I am not disatisfied about accountability for safety second checks by inspectors.

May the redundant checks never be necessary. That is always the goal with redundant checks.

 

[mkt]

But I am not disatisfied about accountability for safety second checks by inspectors.

I will be when they're used for political purposes, like what happened with DeSantis's fellow elected partisan in Miami, Joe Carollo.

Or when they staff the new positions with people that are completely unqualified.

 

[StaceyH_SD]

I’d be all for inspections if it was a standard and legitimate reason like they just decided it would be a good idea for periodic state inspections at all theme parks such as WDW. But that’s not why this was done and the ends do not justify the means.

 

[Ayla]

I will be when they're used for political purposes, like what happened with DeSantis's fellow elected partisan in Miami, Joe Carollo.

Or when they staff the new positions with people that are completely unqualified.

Like Gilzean. I hope Classe has his own attorney.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’d be all for inspections if it was a standard and legitimate reason like they just decided it would be a good idea for periodic state inspections at all theme parks such as WDW. But that’s not why this was done and the ends do not justify the means.

You don’t understand. The means aren’t actually bad. If you ignore the original motivation. And you ignore the deliberate targeting of only one system and not a true state-wide regulation. And ignore the lack of any sort of real, related goals. And ignore how other executive departments have recently been willing to “fudge” information to achieve desired outcomes. And ignore the lack of a clear, relevant goal, then you’ve got means that are perfectly fine for an undefined end that will be beneficial and justified.

 

[LSLS]

You don’t understand. The means aren’t actually bad. If you ignore the original motivation. And you ignore the deliberate targeting of only one system and not a true state-wide regulation. And ignore the lack of any sort of real, related goals. And ignore how other executive departments have recently been willing to “fudge” information to achieve desired outcomes. And ignore the lack of a clear, relevant goal, then you’ve got means that are perfectly fine for an undefined end that will be beneficial and justified.

And pretend that no inspections ever occurred before this savior law.

 

[mkt]

Cool.
So again, State inspections, even with a bunch of wasted control reasoning, work for safety.

Now you see why you can despise the reason but not deny an extra set of eyes being safe.
With all the reporting and possibly public info, it would be fair to do a similar correlation being causation if the monorails face less downtime, get updates and feature less incidents of doors falling off, being stuck open in motion or track cracking with panels falling over EPCOT.

I don't disagree with the idea.

But implementation needs to include standards that are public and inspectors that are qualified. Otherwise, why bother?

Now my question, given how we've clearly seen DeSantis acting in bad faith this entire time, and some particular vagueness to the new regulations: do you see these inspections coming forward in good faith?

As they're written, HYPOTHETICALLY, the inspectors could shut down Haunted Mansion or Spaceship Earth for inspection - among many other attractions - since they:

1- Operate in a special district operating in multiple contiguous counties
2- Run on a rail
3- Transport people between two locations: separate load and unload areas.

 

[celluloid]

I don't disagree with the idea.

But implementation needs to include standards that are public and inspectors that are qualified. Otherwise, why bother?

Now my question, given how we've clearly seen DeSantis acting in bad faith this entire time, and some particular vagueness to the new regulations: do you see these inspections coming forward in good faith?

As they're written, HYPOTHETICALLY, the inspectors could shut down Haunted Mansion or Spaceship Earth for inspection - among many other attractions - since they:

1- Operate in a special district operating in multiple contiguous counties
2- Run on a rail
3- Transport people between two locations: separate load and unload areas.

The same can go back to shutting down someone's vehicle for their livelyhood because the mechanic the state said they had to take it to be inspected shut them down. There would need to be at the very least documented reasoning.

All the concerns can be found with state vehicle inspections of millions of individuals. This being a major company does not change that fact.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The same can go back to shutting down someone's vehicle for their livelyhood because the mechanic the state said they had to take it to be inspected shut them down. There would need to be at the very least documented reasoning.

All the concerns can be found with state vehicle inspections of millions of individuals. This being a major company does not change that fact.

The state is allowed to shut down the system at any time, of its choosing, to conduct unspecified inspections for as long as it deems necessary (and the publicly stated purpose for this authority is to cause disruptions). That’s not the same as people getting to schedule when an inspection takes place.

 

[flynnibus]

Cool.
So again, State inspections, even with a bunch of wasted control reasoning, have public studies that they are proven to work for safety.

Now even in your profession, you see why you can despise the reason but not deny an extra set of eyes being safe.
With all the reporting and possibly public info, it would be fair to do a similar correlation being causation if the monorails face less downtime, get updates and feature less incidents of doors falling off, being stuck open in motion or track cracking with panels falling over EPCOT.

But connecting dots between systems that operate under completely different conditions and expectations - is horrible form and logic.

Monorails are not put on the beam by anyone and not operated without any procedures or required upkeep.

 

[celluloid]

The state is allowed to shut down the system at any time, of its choosing, to conduct unspecified inspections for as long as it deems necessary (and the publicly stated purpose for this authority is to cause disruptions). That’s not the same as people getting to schedule when an inspection takes place.

It has to be worded that way as if there is an accident like, let's say a panel falling off into a parking lot or guest area, they would have to come in and inspect it rather than "oh well it was just fiberglass that fell so we won't shut it down to inspect."The Department of Agriculture often has similar wording.

So if this is the part you take issue with you can relax a little bit.

 

[celluloid]

But connecting dots between systems that operate under completely different conditions and expectations - is horrible form and logic.

Monorails are not put on the beam by anyone and not operated without any procedures or required upkeep.

Just because you keep your car registered, with licensed drivers and insured and a clean driving record does not exempt you from state car inspections.

 

[mkt]

The same can go back to shutting down someone's vehicle for their livelyhood because the mechanic the state said they had to take it to be inspected shut them down. There would need to be at the very least documented reasoning.

All the concerns can be found with state vehicle inspections of millions of individuals. This being a major company does not change that fact.

Not comparable. Vehicle inspections have published standards, clear definitions, defined timelines, and a variety of providers.

The new monorail safety inspections have none of that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It has to be worded that way as if there is an accident like, let's say a panel falling off into a parking lot or guest area, they would have to come in and inspect it rather than "oh well it was just fiberglass that fell so we won't shut it down to inspect."The Department of Agriculture often has similar wording.

So if this is the part you take issue with you can relax a little bit.

No, it doesn’t have to be worded that way. You can give authority to close following incidents until there is a subsequent inspection. Ride inspections aren’t usually set up to only impact one facility as punishment.

 

[flynnibus]

The new monorail safety inspections have none of that.

No that's not fair.

They have 'none of that' YET. The law is for the DOT to create such standards (like they do for everything else) - The law empowering them is not going to define the standards.

 

[celluloid]

No, it doesn’t have to be worded that way. You can give authority to close following incidents until there is a subsequent inspection. Ride inspections aren’t usually set up to only impact one facility as punishment.

They certainly are bias towards numbers. Or is that only ok when it works in Disney's favor? Fun Spot faces different and more strict inspections than Disney has.

 

[flynnibus]

You missed the point. The 10 year old would be acting against the law of the state(authority)that says that must hold an appropriate liscense and active vehicle insurance to legally operate.

The point of inspections isn't to be 'inside the law' or not - It's to improve safety. The entire reference under discussion was the improvement of safety DUE TO INSPECTIONS -- not stats on legal compliance.