News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[mkt]

Will DeSantis gets his oversight hands involved in today's incident? Watching Resort TV live stream parks online , Liberty Belle boat at MK broke down on the water and guests were seen being crammed into Tom Sawyer rafts that came to the rescue to Liberty Belle this afternoon. Lets see if any media coverage on this one. LB boat eventually later on made it back to the dock.

He’ll sign a new law, taking responsibility for Disney watercraft as well.

 

[Lilofan]

I just got back from spending a week at WDW. We drove and stoped at the rest area at the Florida line on I95 and one on the opposite side driving back. I’m not sure what type of inspections they do on rest areas but apparently not much of one if any. Both of these are in need of major upgrades. This leaves a bad impression on tourists and is where they should be concentrating their efforts rather than targeting Disney that does a good job with maintenance and inspections.

I stopped visiting that welcome to FL rest stop when the free OJ samples were eliminated.

 

[Nubs70]

No - they had a operator error in the barn and the operating procedures were too lax to catch it or see the symptoms before the collision happened.

They were operating within the SOP - they however were insufficient given the combination of circumstances

In previous descriptions of the event, it was noted that an e-stop needed to be overridden to perform the task. Overriding of e-stops is a safety violation in all circumstance. If this technique is enshrined in the SOP, this is a willful violation on the part of WDW.

 

[Nubs70]

How is monorail inspection any different than elevator inspection from a regulatory perspective?

 

[Trauma]

I stopped visiting that welcome to FL rest stop when the free OJ samples were eliminated.

Lol you can afford a Disney vacation but not orange juice?

 

[Lilofan]

Lol you can afford a Disney vacation but not orange juice?

Free is free , but stayed off property , enjoyed full buffet breakfast included in room rate then enjoyed the parks late morning into late evening.

 

[LittleBuford]

In previous descriptions of the event, it was noted that an e-stop needed to be overridden to perform the task. Overriding of e-stops is a safety violation in all circumstance. If this technique is enshrined in the SOP, this is a willful violation on the part of WDW.

The poster you’re referring to explicitly stated, “Back in the 70s trains were operat[ed] in violation of rules (but with permission of management) to have six trains on exterior beam.” Whether he’s representing the situation accurately or not I don’t know, but the claim itself—that Disney was indeed running the monorail in violation of safety protocols at some point in the ’70s—is unambiguous.

None of this has anything to do with the current situation, of course.

 

[LittleBuford]

How is monorail inspection any different than elevator inspection from a regulatory perspective?

Because it was introduced with the intention to punish Disney.

 

[flynnibus]

In previous descriptions of the event, it was noted that an e-stop needed to be overridden to perform the task. Overriding of e-stops is a safety violation in all circumstance. If this technique is enshrined in the SOP, this is a willful violation on the part of WDW.

No - that’s not accurate

It’s not the e-stop but the automatic blocking system… MAPO as it was called. And operating with MAPO disabled for certain operations is acceptable and was part of the SOP. It’s a technical necessity based on how the system functioned.

The issue in the pink/purple accident was multi layered… but you could simplify things by saying they were literally driving blindfolded and the fact they did that with mapo off without any other set of eyeballs is what caused them to fail to avoid the issue

 

[celluloid]

No - that’s not accurate

It’s not the e-stop but the automatic blocking system… MAPO as it was called. And operating with MAPO disabled for certain operations is acceptable and was part of the SOP. It’s a technical necessity based on how the system functioned.

The issue in the pink/purple accident was multi layered… but you could simplify things by saying they were literally driving blindfolded and the fact they did that with mapo off without any other set of eyeballs is what caused them to fail to avoid the issue

This sums it up well.

I worked in a department where the supervisor(the one who was off property when it happened) was moved to. I worked with him for a few months before I knew The fact that he was not terminated tells you that a lot of the blame of not best practices were unfairly passed to him. He was not the only one out of best practices.

 

[Chi84]

That makes sense. That was my point indeed.

Just because Desantis is despicable does not mean that State inspectors cannot do good with it.

Why aren’t they doing good at Universal?

We have constitutional rights in this country that shouldn’t be overlooked on the justification that something good may come from violating them.

It isn’t possible to these separate issues, which is why you’re getting the answers you’re getting. It’s not that people don’t understand.

 

[celluloid]

So if future governors use knowledge obtained from DeSantis’ retaliation against Disney’s free speech to someday retaliate against Universal by ordering safety inspections because of a law they oppose, how is that not encouraging authoritarianism?

This sounds a bit slippery slope. We can just as easily, if not more realistically seeing this as a safer move for transportation on Walt Disney Property and future private lines.

Desantis claims this is why he is doing it the same way someone tells the officer they were speeding because they are running late to a work meeting.

No one should really believe it, but the person knows it makes them look good for their audience. The safety issues can easily justify it. The claim of retaliation makes him a egotistical bozo, like many. It does not mean that is actually what justified it. He only needs sadly a bunch of voters to agree that is what he made happen.

 

[Chi84]

This sounds a bit slippery slope. We can just as easily, if not more realistically seeing this as a safer move for transportation on Walt Disney Property.

Desantis claims this is why he is doing it the same way someone tells the officer they were speeding because they are running late to a work meeting.

No one really believes it, but the person knows it makes them look good for their audience.

The speeder shouldn’t get away with it; nor should DeSantis.

There’s a reason it’s so difficult to analogize to what happened here.

 

[celluloid]

The speeder shouldn’t get away with it; nor should DeSantis.

Agreed again.
The reason for the speeder analogy even if he claims the reasoning was being late to work, it is the ego of a lead foot, most speed increases won't really save you much time in modern work commutes. Just as the legality of it all knows they could have been having safety regulations ready to go and politically this image of a dog fight sounds really good to the voting audience.

So realistically, so we think lawyers are ready to make a case for it then and act pretty quickly?
Or will The Disney company back down again?

FL has plenty of good lawyers, that can build a case quite fast with the sort of funding in it for them here.

 

[celluloid]

So your argument is that it’s a coincidence that this legislation happened now, years into the administration? Despite the statements of the governor and legislators? Despite the incredibly clear pattern of behavior? Despite no particular recent issue to inspire the legislation?

Look, just admit the governors actions aren’t a dealbreaker for you. You’re absolutely within your rights to do so. Just stop with the absurd spin.

It is that campaigners know how to make the razzle dazzle of this exchange the sound of retaliation because they know much of their audience are suckers who want a dog fight.

Again, you must gloss over my posts because I don't condone any of what is being done.

That goes for Disney company leadership too, who backed down on this like we don't want anyone to and here we are.

 

[Chi84]

Agreed again.
The reason for the speeder analogy even if he claims the reasoning was being late to work, it is the ego of a lead foot, most speed increases won't really save you much time in modern work commutes. Just as the legality of it all knows they could have been having safety regulations ready to go and politically this image of a dog fight sounds really good to the voting audience.

So realistically, so we think lawyers are ready to make a case for it then and act pretty quickly?
Or will The Disney company back down again?

FL has plenty of good lawyers, that can build a case quite fast with the sort of funding in it for them here.

We keep adding to our posts after the other one has replied lol.

Lawyers don’t work quickly unless there’s a reason. If there is, the justice system should be able to handle it by way of temporary restraining orders, preliminary injunctions or other emergency proceedings.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This sounds a bit slippery slope. We can just as easily, if not more realistically seeing this as a safer move for transportation on Walt Disney Property and future private lines.

What other private lines? The law was specifically written to encompass only one system and the odds of another meeting its criteria are incredibly small. That you keep distorting all sorts of things to justify supporting this move is a big part of why you keep getting called out.

 

[Rich Brownn]

In previous descriptions of the event, it was noted that an e-stop needed to be overridden to perform the task. Overriding of e-stops is a safety violation in all circumstance. If this technique is enshrined in the SOP, this is a willful violation on the part of WDW.

You cannot moved across switch tracks with the E-stop engaged. When the switch is opened to move trains, the E-stop (WaBCO) automatically engages across all tracks. In theory this is to prevent driving off an open beam, but it also prevents any train from moving across the switch. Since it would literally make monorail operations impossible, overriding the WaBCO is a necessary part of bringing trains on and off lines. In this particular case, it has to be SOP or the monorail system would not work at all. Blame Alweg for that design - its a case of being over-protective, when I heard about the fatal accident, I knew immediately it had to be while they were trying to switch tracks as its the only time the WaBCO is overridden by SOP. It's also why there's supposed to be visual confirmation of the switch being engaged.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I stated for future private lines. I never stated that there were other private lines. It was in response to something being a slippery slope concept of what could happen, good or bad, not how I actually feel. Nothing out of fact was posted. It is a dumb game for obvious reasons. Not something to waste time to get me on.

What are the other reasons since you are saying this is the big part?

What future lines? What other special district that existing within multiple counties might even consider adding fixed guideway transit? That’s the specific criteria that has to be met. A Universal monorail between the north and south campuses would not fall under state inspections. Just claiming there are other potential future systems that might be part of this is you distorting the truth because the chances of one meeting the very narrow criteria is incredibly low.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It means something happened and it should be covered.if happens again. If a private guiderail system of any sort be it monorail or odd team this thing would be covered. This is not unique to the situation. Framed by the Governor as if he is winning or not. Laws are.always carefully worded. Annoyingly so for this reason.

Again, you are distorting the criteria. There are only a handful of places where the criteria could be met. It would not just be any future private fixed guideway transit system. Presenting future systems as a real possibility is a distortion.