News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[Henry Mystic]

Selecting individuals he knows are ideologically aligned with him is not the same thing as directing their every move on an ongoing basis after they've been installed.

Man, you're grasping at straws. Just think about how many hoops you're jumping through to come to that conclusion.

 

[celluloid]

Okay, so he chose people who he knew would act the way he would if he were on the board.

That is usually what someone does when they appoint or hire someone to some degree of trusting they would make a similar choice to you or trust their desicison making skills. It does not mean they are going to just shut the monorail system down. That would be extreme to presume when there is currently no evidence of that and would become obvious rather quickly.

 

[Brian]

“When you lose your way, you've got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” DeSantis said about Disney. “I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”

Okay, so he chose people who he knew would act the way he would if he were on the board.

Man, you're grasping at straws. Just think about how many hoops you're jumping through to come to that conclusion.

How is this (selecting ideologically aligned individuals) different than what any other public sector executive (governor or POTUS) does when making appointments?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

How is this (selecting ideologically aligned individuals) different than what any other public sector executive (governor or POTUS) does when making appointments?

The Governor (typically) or POTUS isn’t making appointments to boards to oversee private corporations that they are in pursuit of punishing. Kind of unique to DeSantis

 

[celluloid]

The Governor (typically) or POTUS isn’t making appointments to boards to oversee private corporations there in pursuit of punishing. Kind of unique to DeSantis

Asking for transportation safety inspections is not the same as punishing. You may believe there is the underlying cause based on his quotes from his book or statements, but that does not mean that is what it has to end up being.

You are jumping through hoops to think that the monorails will be shut down unfairly based on inspections.

 

[Brian]

The Governor (typically) or POTUS isn’t making appointments to boards to oversee private corporations there in pursuit of punishing. Kind of unique to DeSantis

It's an executive appointment. Notwithstanding the morality or legality of the means by which the vacancies came about, would you expect for him to select people at random, or perhaps some members of the Democratic Socialists of America?

If Biden has an opening for an appellate court judge, do you think he's going to go asking around the Heritage Foundation for some ideas?

 

[mkt]

So, does anyone know how many qualified monorail experts the state of Florida has on staff to be able to perform inspections on monorails?

 

[flynnibus]

Exactly. Again, that happened due to ride operator changing things. Not how the ride was designed to be operated by manufacturer as agreed upon by the state.

Ok so you agree with me on what happened. Maintanence screwed up. But know what that doesn't mean? Exactly what you said before...
"That was the Slingshot group ownership lying about how they would operate it."
"Again, the operation had overridden how it was supposed to be operated."

A mistake in maintenance is not those things you said.

Sometime after that opening inspection and four months it changed. Not the state's fault.

No, that's not in the findings - it's not stated WHEN the work happened. So again, you're completely misrepresenting what happened and the state's role.

It is odd that you claim that inspectors miss things so much but will have every infraction against Disney. So the states inspections are not good, but for some sabotage reason against Disney, they are going to be too good every single time.

Uhh.. what? You have a serious problem with accuracy -- because you won't find a single word from me in this thread saying ANY OF THOSE THINGS you just claimed.

 

[Casper Gutman]

asking for transportation safety inspections is not the same as punishing. You may believe there is the underlying cause based on his quotes from his book or statements, but that does not mean that is what it has to end up being.

You are jumping through hoops to think that the monorails will be shut down unfairly based on inspections.

Yes, if we ignore everything the governor, legislators, and board members have said and every action they have taken, we can imagine a scenario that is much more “normal.” But why would we do that?

And again, as in multiple other cases with this administration recently, the entire point is to create a THREAT. That’s the vital part.

 

[Brian]

So, does anyone know how many qualified monorail experts the state of Florida has on staff to be able to perform inspections on monorails?

Likely the closest thing they have now are the folks at FDOT who inspect the APMs at MCO. That doesn't mean they can't hire folks with monorail-specific expertise, if they see the need.

That said, I have a feeling many around here would take issue with there being full-time monorail inspectors on the state of Florida's payroll, considering WDW's is the only system they'd be tasked to inspect.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's an executive appointment. Notwithstanding the morality or legality of the means by which the vacancies came about, would you expect for him to select people at random, or perhaps some members of the Democratic Socialists of America?

If Biden has an opening for an appellate court judge, do you think he's going to go asking around the Heritage Foundation for some ideas?

Generally, some relevant qualifications and a degree of experience are usually sought, along with idealogical agreement.

But again, when good faith is viewed as weakness, the whole system shakes.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

That said, I have a feeling many around here would take issue with there being full-time monorail inspectors on the state of Florida's payroll, considering WDW's is the only system they'd be tasked to inspect.

As a FL tax payer, yes I’d be annoyed that we are paying for monorail inspectors, but I can’t be mad at anyone beside DeSantis and his legislature, just another expense they’ve brought upon Florida. Just another short sighted decision

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Have we gotten any clarification about how the bill mischaracterized the “special district”? If the wording is wrong, how can this even go into effect?

 

[Figgy1]

So, does anyone know how many qualified monorail experts the state of Florida has on staff to be able to perform inspections on monorails?

One inspector to inspect the entire system while it's shut down

Only with the bad guys

 

[Trauma]

As a FL tax payer, yes I’d be annoyed that we are paying for monorail inspectors, but I can’t be mad at anyone beside DeSantis and his legislature, just another expense they’ve brought upon Florida. Just another short sighted decision

Mason Dixon found that 59% of Florida voters approve of DeSantis, up from 55% in September. The poll of registered voters was conducted from March 27 to March 30. It has a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points for the GOP presidential primary question.



Floridians seem really upset with all this.

 

[Brian]

As a FL tax payer, yes I’d be annoyed that we are paying for monorail inspectors, but I can’t be mad at anyone beside DeSantis and his legislature, just another expense they’ve brought upon Florida. Just another short sighted decision

I'd likewise be upset if the inspections turn out to be politically-motivated hit jobs against Disney, which, to be clear, I believe is a distinct possibility. If they turn out to be non-political and everything is handled according to basic moral and industry standards, I wouldn't necessarily mind it. There's enough government waste that a handful of extra FDOT salaries wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Mason Dixon found that 59% of Florida voters approve of DeSantis, up from 55% in September. The poll of registered voters was conducted from March 27 to March 30. It has a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points for the GOP presidential primary question.



Floridians seem really upset with all this.

I don’t see how other Floridians feel changes my opinion? Also there’s a difference between liking DeSantis and supporting this Disney feud, for those who were polled. Not like the GOP has many options, one of their candidates just got indicted on 34 different counts and the other is fighting with a mouse.

 

[maxairmike]

Have we gotten any clarification about how the bill mischaracterized the “special district”? If the wording is wrong, how can this even go into effect?

The screw up with the wording won't stop it going into effect, it just won't apply to the WDW monorail and will have no teeth until such time as a special district that covers two counties created by local act builds a monorail, or they call a special session (I believe that's what would be needed to amend it) in great embarrassment to correct the wording of the bill or write a superseding one, making the targeted nature of the legislation even clearer. At least, that's my understanding. Hopefully no one points out the deficiency as written until after the session adjourns so that they have yet more egg on their face after rushing into targeted legislation.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'd likewise be upset if the inspections turn out to be politically-motivated hit jobs against Disney, which, to be clear, I believe is a distinct possibility. If they turn out to be non-political and everything is handled according to basic moral and industry standards, I wouldn't necessarily mind it. There's enough government waste that a handful of extra FDOT salaries wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.

The bill is retaliation. There is no legitimate question about that.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

The screw up with the wording won't stop it going into effect, it just won't apply to the WDW monorail and will have no teeth until such time as a special district that covers two counties created by local act builds a monorail, or they call a special session (I believe that's what would be needed to amend it) in great embarrassment to correct the wording of the bill or write a superseding one, making the targeted nature of the legislation even clearer. At least, that's my understanding. Hopefully no one points out the deficiency as written until after the session adjourns so that they have yet more egg on their face after rushing into targeted legislation.

Makes sense. I figured as much.