News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[celluloid]

No, they screwed up. Note not all the seats had incorrectly adjusted sensors - only 2. At some point work was done and done incorrectly. Neither the operator, nor an of the state's oversight processes identified the mistake.

Exactly. Again, that happened due to ride operator changing things. Not how the ride was designed to be operated by manufacturer as agreed upon by the state. Sometime after that opening inspection and four months it changed. Not the state's fault. The operators made the mistake that cost a life. The Slingshot group, notoriously known for being poor in operations and safety infractions.

It is odd that you claim that inspectors miss things so much but will have every infraction against Disney. So the states inspections are not good, but for some sabotage reason against Disney, they are going to be too good every single time.

Touch grass.

I hope this goes onto the Skyliner next if they keep having collisions and errors at the rate they do for its short amount of years of operation.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

You do realize that legislatures can for one, pass laws that are unconstitutional or otherwise authoritarian like in this case where it's retribution for exercising free speech, and two, gerrymandered to an extreme that I'd hardly even call democratic.

The gerrymandered supermajority in Florida is not even worth discussing here. We could go on forever.

 

[Trauma]

Do we not think DeSantis himself is instructing the board to do what they are doing?

Why is it unrealistic to think that the governor won't be appointing the inspectors? Why is it unrealistic to think he won't demand they "take their time" on these inspections, and that they "do frequent inspections"?

Well then I guess you better get used to the busses.




But we both know that everything will be fine and the monorails will be running as usual, unless there truly is a massive safety issue Disney has not addressed.

 

[Disone]

Every action he has taken thus far has been passed through the legislature. In other words, through the normal democratic process.

Meddling in the inspections is not the normal democratic process. It would require navigating through multiple layers of state bureaucracy, creating a public records paper trail along the way, and likely violating the law as well. Directing public officials to commit acts of malfeasance is way different than signing a law the legislature passed.

Plus, it would give Disney another instance of retaliation to add to their complaint.

They already do. In any public transportation system in the state of Florida, they don't shut down the public transportation system to inspect it.

 

[Casper Gutman]

You do realize that state legislatures have a history in America of trampling rights with supermajority margins in states with one-party rule.

Legislatures can for one, pass laws that are unconstitutional or otherwise authoritarian like in this case where it's retribution for exercising free speech, and two, gerrymandered to an extreme that I'd hardly even call the legislature democratic.

And if those laws are ruled unconstitutional, the executive can simply ignore the ruling, as Florida has recently done. We have found, over the last decade, how much of our mode of government and, particularly, it’s checks and balances, depend on some degree of good faith. When bad faith is not only allowed but applauded, the system begins to fall apart very quickly.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Well then I guess you better get used to the busses.




But we both know that everything will be fine and the monorails will be running as usual, unless there truly is a massive safety issue Disney has not addressed.

Don't speak for me, because I don't personally feel that "everything will be fine and the monorails will be running as usual". So we will find out in time.

 

[Brian]

Do we not think DeSantis himself is instructing the board to do what they are doing?

No, because every major media outlet in the state of Florida and nationally (save for Fox News) is routinely searching through public records for any evidence of DeSantis doing just that. Some editors would kill a man for a chance to write a headline like: "Puppet Master: DeSantis Caught Redhanded Directing Disney Special District Board"

 

[Casper Gutman]

Don't speak for me, because I don't personally feel that "everything will be fine and the monorails will be running as usual". So we will find out in time.

That’s just because you aren’t willing to pretend the last three years in Florida and ten years nationally haven’t happened. If you simply imagine it’s still 2011 or so, it’s pleasantly easy to pretend everything is “normal.”

 

[MagicHappens1971]

No, because every major media outlet in the state of Florida and nationally (save for Fox News) is routinely searching through public records for any evidence of DeSantis doing just that. Some editors would kill a man for a chance to write a headline like: "Puppet Master: DeSantis Caught Redhanded Directing Disney Special District Board"

So then why didn’t the Puppet Master randomly selected the board? Instead of installing his cronies?

 

[Casper Gutman]

No, because every major media outlet in the state of Florida and nationally (save for Fox News) is routinely searching through public records for any evidence of DeSantis doing just that. Some editors would kill a man for a chance to write a headline like: "Puppet Master: DeSantis Caught Redhanded Directing Disney Special District Board"

His administration was just caught falsifying a significant medical report. How much air time did that get, and how much did it hurt him?

Again, it ain’t 2011.

 

[celluloid]

So then why didn’t the Puppet Master randomly selected the board? Instead of installing his cronies?

Because the thing about conspiracy theorists, is they are never satisfied. They would then question how random anything is.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Because the thing about conspiracy theorists, is they are never satisfied. They would then question how random anything is.

What?

 

[Stripes]

No, because every major media outlet in the state of Florida and nationally (save for Fox News) is routinely searching through public records for any evidence of DeSantis doing just that. Some editors would kill a man for a chance to write a headline like: "Puppet Master: DeSantis Caught Redhanded Directing Disney Special District Board"

I submitted a public records request over 2 weeks ago and haven’t heard back whatsoever.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Because the thing about conspiracy theorists, is they are never satisfied. They would then question how random anything is.

It’s not a conspiracy.
Bridget Zeigler and her husband have both made donations to DeSantis’ campaign, and her husband is the leader of the FL Republican Party.
Martin Garcia donated $50,000 to DeSantis campaign, and serves on the board.

I could go on, it doesn’t need to be a conspiracy, DeSantis openly stated he is doing all of this to punish Disney, so of course he would choose his cronies. Especially one like Zeigler who is an advocate for the Dont Say Gay bill and other causes, like book banning.

 

[Brian]

So then why didn’t the Puppet Master randomly selected the board? Instead of installing his cronies?

Selecting individuals he knows are ideologically aligned with him is not the same thing as directing their every move on an ongoing basis after they've been installed. The former is what every public sector executive in the country does.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Selecting individuals he knows are ideologically aligned with him is not the same thing as directing their every move on an ongoing basis after they've been installed.

“When you lose your way, you've got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” DeSantis said about Disney. “I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”

Okay, so he chose people who he knew would act the way he would if he were on the board.

 

[celluloid]

Okay, so he chose people who he knew would act the way he would if he were on the board.

That is usually what someone does when they appoint or hire someone to some degree of trusting they would make a similar choice to you or trust their desicison making skills. It does not mean they are going to just shut the monorail system down. That would be extreme to presume when there is currently no evidence of that and would become obvious rather quickly.

 

[Brian]

“When you lose your way, you've got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” DeSantis said about Disney. “I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”

Okay, so he chose people who he knew would act the way he would if he were on the board.

Man, you're grasping at straws. Just think about how many hoops you're jumping through to come to that conclusion.

How is this (selecting ideologically aligned individuals) different than what any other public sector executive (governor or POTUS) does when making appointments?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

How is this (selecting ideologically aligned individuals) different than what any other public sector executive (governor or POTUS) does when making appointments?

The Governor (typically) or POTUS isn’t making appointments to boards to oversee private corporations that they are in pursuit of punishing. Kind of unique to DeSantis

 

[celluloid]

The Governor (typically) or POTUS isn’t making appointments to boards to oversee private corporations there in pursuit of punishing. Kind of unique to DeSantis

Asking for transportation safety inspections is not the same as punishing. You may believe there is the underlying cause based on his quotes from his book or statements, but that does not mean that is what it has to end up being.

You are jumping through hoops to think that the monorails will be shut down unfairly based on inspections.