deleted

[TwilightZone]

Same.

 

[mickEblu]

DLP is hosting a sold-out, after hours ToT party soon. I'm not sure if they feel spending any money on MB is worth it when there's so much else to do with the park.

Could be. But you have to think that if MB would have been a huge success they would probably clone it. Especially when considering they re spending 2.5 billion on the rest of the park.

 

[britain]

Could be. But you have to think that if MB would have been a huge success they would probably clone it. Especially when considering they re spending 2.5 billion on the rest of the park.

It's possible that they don't want a whiff of complaint about losing ToT, they want the focus on the new additions. The whole thing is coming in phases. It would be really easy in a couple of years to say, "Coming next year, Mission: Breakout!" like they did at DCA.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

It’s getting offensive at this point. To crap on the most loyal fans. The ones that consistently bring in the most revenue year round and bail out the other parks when they re underperforming.

I'm with you, but why would they when its a guarantee that DL will be bursting at the seams when SW:GE opens next year? In fact it already is! There is literally zero incentive for Disney to invest in a new Tomorrowland right now. DSP, on the other hand, needs this expansion. Badly.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Wow!!!
Massive expansion to WDSP, much larger than the DCA remake.
What I take away from this is that Disney is tired of how difficult it is to do business in California and has decided to shift its focus
on areas that appreciate the huge economic benefit.
After Star Wars, which let’s face it Disney has no choice but to add it to Anaheim as well as Orlando, it looks like DLR is being virtually abandoned in terms of any major expansion
and development.
Whether it’s Squaw Valley trying to expand or
other ski resort expansions being completely axed, or Disney canceling planned parking and entrance changes/expansion, California
has become a terrible climate to do business.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the entertainment studios move more than just their production out of the state in the future.
So sad.

What?

 

[dweezil78]

All this new stuff and Disneyland still doesn't get a decent Tomorrowland.

Well yeah... but in order to get a new Tomorrowland you have to first shut down old Tomorrowland. No way in hell is that happening before Star Wars opens and they add some much needed capacity to the park. Even then, they'd still need to find a way to do it in phases because you couldn't just close Space Mountain, Star Tours, Buzz, Nemo, and Autopia all at once. That'd be madness!

 

[JD2000]

I'd said before the plan might be to re-use the Hollywoodland buildings as they did for Buena Vista Street. It could make for a good city landscape. But now, after seeing that, it is probably best they don't, and instead, not be cheap, and go with the Hong Kong Disneyland route, as it could serve as Calfornia Adventure's Tomorrowland.

 

[Stevek]

Interesting to see people pooping on this change. Most of what I've seen online has been excitement and support. While the Marvel section is a re-skin, the rest of it looks pretty nice to me.

 

[dweezil78]

Interesting to see people pooping on this change. Most of what I've seen online has been excitement and support. While the Marvel section is a re-skin, the rest of it looks pretty nice to me.

I think it looks great too. My only nitpick was on the weird Google Earth'ish concept art! Definitely a huge improvement on what's there.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Interesting to see people pooping on this change. Most of what I've seen online has been excitement and support. While the Marvel section is a re-skin, the rest of it looks pretty nice to me.

Most of the people online get excited over pretty much any and everything Disney does.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Most of the people online get excited over pretty much any and everything Disney does.

Disney fans getting excited about things that Disney annouces. Imagine that!

 

[Deleted member 107043]

The LA Times weighs in on the DSP announcement. Apparently a $2.4 billion theme park investment by Disney is international news, and not just fodder for fans to geek out over.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disneyland-paris-expansion-20180227-story.html

The announcement comes only a year after Iger announced plans to buy out all shareholders in the European park and invest $1.6 billion in hopes of turning around sluggish attendance amid terrorism fears in France.

At the same time, Disney is spending about $1 billion to build a 14-acre Star Wars expansion at Disneyland, plus a similar area for another $1 billion at Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. — among other upgrades in its theme park empire.

It's a great time to be a Disney Park fan.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm with you, but why would they when its a guarantee that DL will be bursting at the seams when SW:GE opens next year? In fact it already is! There is literally zero incentive for Disney to invest in a new Tomorrowland right now. DSP, on the other hand, needs this expansion. Badly.

True the incentive isn’t high right now. The hope is that after SWL opens and the craziness dies down they turn their attention towards TL. The other question is why have they waited this long for a TL upgrade? As most of us have speculated, it’s probably because the land is full of popular rides so It’s not really high priority. They can get by on Star Wars overlays so why do anything really great?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

The other question is why have they waited this long for a TL upgrade? A

Again, because they don't need to. DL is a cash cow with a built-in audience of rabid APs. With SW:GE in the pipeline, along with ugrades to their hotel stock and changes to DtD, a TL redo is probably a low priority.

 

[mickEblu]

It's possible that they don't want a whiff of complaint about losing ToT, they want the focus on the new additions. The whole thing is coming in phases. It would be really easy in a couple of years to say, "Coming next year, Mission: Breakout!" like they did at DCA.

Totally possible. I think my theory is more likely though.

At a certain point, if they re so aware of people not being behind the overlay when do they stop and re-think it? They got killed on social media and the the overlay didn’t drive any attendance. Maybe they just got the hint and want to spend the resources elsewhere instead of 100 million on no net gain.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

It's nice that they're spending serious money on the theme parks. They certainly make more than enough of it. Where has it all been going? I still think the WDW projects are mostly bad, though. I was getting tired of the fans constantly claiming that Fastpass+ wristbands had cancelled all theme park projects because it cost them more money than the construction of EPCOT Center. I guess we've moved past that.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Totally possible. I think my theory is more likely though.

At a certain point, if they re so aware of people not being behind the overlay when do they stop and re-think it? They got killed on social media and the the overlay didn’t drive any attendance. Maybe they just got the hint and want to spend the resources elsewhere instead of 100 million on no net gain.

Why would they do the MB overlay in Paris if they are doing all this other stuff? I have to assume that since there are no obstacles to building Marvel Land they probably felt there was no need to touch ToT. Completely different scenario from Anaheim where Marvel Land is unconfirmed.

 

[mickEblu]

Again, because they don't need to. DL is a cash cow with a built-in audience of rabid APs. With SW:GE in the pipeline, along with ugrades to their hotel stock and changes to DtD, a TL redo is probably a low priority.

Right, I thought I kind of said all this ^^^ in my own way. I guess I shouldn’t be asking rhetorical questions. Anyway, I think most of us know they don’t have to but we’d like to think they still give a $hit.

 

[mickEblu]

Why would they do the MB overlay in Paris if they are doing all this other stuff? I have to assume that since there are no obstacles to building Marvel Land they probably felt there was no need to touch ToT. Completely different scenario from Anaheim where Marvel Land is unconfirmed.

Different scenario than Anaheim but my point stands. If MB was viewed as a smashing success, they would clone it in Paris. Looks like their Marvel studios is going right next to TOT too. Maybe they ll still clone it, but it’s not looking likely. Why spend 100 million on zero net gain? Instead they spend it on stuff that will actually drive attendance.

 

[bluerhythym]

Good question...similar along the lines of, "Who thought it was a good idea to theme an entire park around the state that the park is in?"

Nah, that's not the same at all. I'll agree that the DCA 1.0 execution was flawed but the concept wasn't the problem. The concept has the chance to bring you to a California that doesn't exist, whether through history or through mythology. 1930s Los Angeles doesn't exist anymore, nor does 1950s Route 66. If the whole park was executed to the vision that Buena Vista Street, Cars Land, Grizzly Peak and Pacific Wharf are, this wouldn't be an issue.