Dead Monsters?

[FigmentJedi]

You still don't get what I'm trying to say? No one else knows. Now I may now, but millions don't. Get it? :hammer:

So? That's like ripping Frontierland apart because "DERP Nobody cares about the old west anymore" or taking out Splash Mountain because it's themed to a movie Disney refuses to put out on DVD.

Trying to appeal only to the lowest common denominator is why the media sucks so much. Why America is looked down on by other countries as a land of stupid people.

 

[dxwwf3]

Sure, I wanted MI, and it would have been nice for MGM, but in the end...Is it original? Was it going to be ***GREAT***? Eh.

I feel the same way.

 

[Missing20K]

Gotta be RARC. I wouldn't mind seeing a new band go in it. I hope you really are an insider...

My guess is the backlot tour. Well not my guess, but the cryptic remarks of some insiders here.

 

[JustInTime]

This is more of a bother to me than a disappointment.


Sure, I wanted MI, and it would have been nice for MGM, but in the end...Is it original? Was it going to be ***GREAT***? Eh.

I'm happy that EPCOT will be getting small things. Hopefully Energy is somewhere on there. I know it's been looked at...And even painted. As for SSE, fiscal year. Shame my trip isn't around then!:lol:

And while on the topic of MGMDHS....Honestly...I want a DCA for the park.:lookaroun:lol: Revamp. Totally. I like it, I think it's a great park, but for me, it needs some new touches. If they could use the "Walt" spin here, I think it would be a good new direction for the park.

I think you have got a good idea with this but they would have to get rid of alot of the best stuff at DHS for everthing to flow(Theater and RarC). Personally I think DHS is a much better themed park than DCA. I just think the attractions need to live up to everthing else. I do wish it could include the "Walt" spin...

 

[JustInTime]

My guess is the backlot tour. Well not my guess, but the cryptic remarks of some insiders here.

I would have said that too, but he said a "change" is coming to an attraction. It leads me to think that it could be just a mere overlay. I could be wrong. he could be full of it. I am taking everything with a grain of salt. :shrug:

 

[TalkingHead]

You still don't get what I'm trying to say? No one else knows. Now I may now, but millions don't. Get it? :hammer:

So what? I doubt many people "know" Song of the South. I'm sure there are plenty of dumb teenagers who don't "know" what Grauman's Chinese Theatre is. I'm sure many guests wouldn't know a lot of the movies or actors in the Great Movie Ride. Probably a good number have never seen a Twilight Zone episode.

Yet people still enjoy those attractions. Wow, guess everything doesn't have to be built to the lowest common denominator.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I feel the same way.

Thanks!:wave:

I think you have got a good idea with this but they would have to get rid of alot of the best stuff at DHS for everthing to flow(Theater and RarC). Personally I think DHS is a much better themed park than DCA. I just think the attractions need to live up to everthing else. I do wish it could include the "Walt" spin...

Well, not everything in DCA will "flow" perfectly. However, the entire park is being re-branded. I'd like to see that done here.


Disney's Hollywood Park.

 

[JustInTime]

thanks!:wave:


Well, not everything in dca will "flow" perfectly. However, the entire park is being re-branded. I'd like to see that done here.


Disney's hollywood park.

:roflol:

 

[RSoxNo1]

Will Studios hurt from Harry Potter? Nope. Not anymore than the other three at least. Does Studios need the ride? Yes, if only to add to the already great selection of shows and attractions, as well as expanding into the most empty part of the park still remaining. Does the lack of this ride coming hurt the park? No. Am I mad it's not coming?

Furious.

I completely disagree. Hollywood Studios saw the biggest hit when Expedition Everest came to town. Disney has learned (although they don't always adhere to) that often times when they add new attractions to their own parks they often see a degree of cannibalization of their own parks. Typically it's the weakest park that suffers. Since Everest, Hollywood Studios has added Toy Story Mania and The American Idol Experience. However they have also cut Fantasmic to two nights a week. I predict that after Harry Potter, Islands of Adventure will receive a boost by drawing attendance away from the main Universal Studios park, Animal Kingdom, and Hollywood Studios.

Assuming that attendance increases in 2010 and 2011, My guess is that Islands of Adventure will see the largest percentage increase of any Disney or Universal park in those years, followed by the Magic Kingdom and Epcot, followed by Universal Studios and Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom. To say that it will effect all of the parks equally is simply illogical.

For what it's worth, I can tell you that Disney's Hollywood Studios is receiving many new changes in the shortterm. I won't comment on the status of the new coaster, but I can tell you that a second expansion of Pixar Place is soon in coming, a major change to one of our attractions at DHS is on the way, Star Tours 2.0 is on the way, etc.

Gotta be RARC. I wouldn't mind seeing a new band go in it. I hope you really are an insider...

My guess is the backlot tour. Well not my guess, but the cryptic remarks of some insiders here.

Rock 'n' Roller Coaster has been nothing but fanboi speculation. The Backlot Tour is taking up valuable space, but I'm guessing it's removal isn't what WDW Insider is referring to as "a major change to one of our attractions." I would look at either Lights, Motors, Action to see changes in between the car chases (again fanboi speculation), or what was discussed a few years ago - a major refurbishment to the Great Movie Ride.

 

[jt04]

Apparently.

The word from Glendale is the Monsters doors coaster for TPFKaTD-MGMS is dead. Completely.

Apparently, TDO has decided that park doesn't need added capacity (under what hallucinogens they were under when they came to that conclusion is anyone's guess).

Almost all money coming to WDW is going to MK (and at this point, I don't disagree with that at all).

Star Tours 2.0 is obviously on the way. And I've been told a few 'smallish' projects could come to EPCOT.

But that's it.

The money is going to the stalest MK of them all ... and I'm not gonna criticize it.

But it does look like they are trying to kill the Studios. That park is gonna be the one that hurts the most from WWoHP, you watch.

People aren't gonna ever give up MK or EPCOT ... but those other Disney parks? Well, that's a different story.

As always, things can change. Disney did recently buy the domain 'MONSTERS2.com' so obviously a sequel is on the way and that could revive this coaster ... but for now, that appears very unlikely.

Will Studios hurt from Harry Potter? Nope. Not anymore than the other three at least. Does Studios need the ride? Yes, if only to add to the already great selection of shows and attractions, as well as expanding into the most empty part of the park still remaining. Does the lack of this ride coming hurt the park? No. Am I mad it's not coming?



Furious.

Can't wait to see how the DOM's try to spin this one. Yet another foolish move on Disney's part Oh well maybe one day DHS will get a scaled down version of the new Ratatouille E-ticket that just got greenlit for Paris
Of the 4 Disney parks DHS will suffer the most from Harry Potter. If guests are only coming for 4 or 5 days they will skip the Disney Studios and visit the Universal Studios instead. Star Tours 2 is not enough to save DHS. DHS needs Star Tours/Indiana Jones/Pixar triple whammy to compete with Harry Potter.I guess the rumor mongers wishing for Mysterious Island can kiss that dream good bye as well.

That's shocking! I had Monsters was basically locked in. :dazzle: I'm going to criticize them for giving stuff to MK, but DHS could REALLY use that coaster.

I'm guessing Imagination is off again than?

Meh, I'd rather a Monsters coaster than a forest of glorified meet-and-greets.

I agree with '74 that WWoHP will win the battle for a family trying to decide between IoA and DHS. They should have timed Star Tours to reopen next year.

you betcha

For what it's worth, I can tell you that Disney's Hollywood Studios is receiving many new changes in the shortterm. I won't comment on the status of the new coaster, but I can tell you that a second expansion of Pixar Place is soon in coming, a major change to one of our attractions at DHS is on the way, Star Tours 2.0 is on the way, etc.

OK, 74 posts his gloom at 10 before the hour. Within 15 minutes almost all the D&G's respond with a certain "see all you Disney fans, it's bad news, and we are delighted to shove it in your face". It's obvious, so don't give us the "we just want a better Disney" line.

Of course our insider chimes in and says it is not as the D&G's would have you think. I believe exactly what "Insider" says.

If Potter was the answer, why all the hand wringing of the embittered? Something doesn't add up.

 

[TalkingHead]

Of course our insider chimes in and says it is not as the D&G's would have you think. I believe exactly what "Insider" says.

You believe WDW Insider because s/he tells you what you want to hear.

Face it, at this point Insider has no more credibility that Retlaw did.

 

[nerdboyrockstar]

Question.. I read that attendance this year is about the same as last year so no hits were taken there. So are they still only running Fantasmic twice a week?

 

[jt04]

You believe WDW Insider because s/he tells you what you want to hear.

Face it, at this point Insider has no more credibility that Retlaw did.

Te beautiful thing is time will tell. D23 is right around the corner.

Here is what I believe. A lot of people were hoping that Potter would cause Disney to jump through hoops in a reactionary manner and fund a bunch of expansion. But this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore. It's a new era and Disney is not going to pull money from worthwhile projects and cancel others underway out of fear of Potter. It'a a very wise choice!!!!!!!!!!

Second, I think it is likely Disney knows exactly what the status is and threat posed by Uni's new project. Again, there is nothing for the mouse to fear.

 

[TalkingHead]

Te beautiful thing is time will tell. D23 is right around the corner.

Here is what I believe. A lot of people were hoping that Potter would cause Disney to jump through hoops in a reactionary manner and fund a bunch of expansion. But this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore. It's a new era and Disney is not going to pull money from worthwhile projects and cancel others underway out of fear of Potter. It'a a very wise choice!!!!!!!!!!

Second, I think it is likely Disney knows exactly what the status is and threat posed by Uni's new project. Again, there is nothing for the mouse to fear.

Way to dodge the issue. I don't care what you think. You have no connections.

74 has an established track record (remember his forecasting for the Wand).

WDW Insider, as of now, has no more credibility than your average PixieDust888 who says RNRC is going to have a Jonas Brothers overlay.

Thanks, but I'll take 74's word before I will the untested "Insider".

(Hint: Would an insider really be so dull as to name him/herself "Insider"? Sounds like a cry for attention from someone who's pretending IMO.)

 

[jt04]

Way to dodge the issue. I don't care what you think. You have no connections.

74 has an established track record (remember his forecasting for the Wand).

WDW Insider, as of now, has no more credibility than your average PixieDust888 who says RNRC is going to have a Jonas Brothers overlay.

Thanks, but I'll take 74's word before I will the untested "Insider".

(Hint: Would an insider really be so dull as to name him/herself "Insider"? Sounds like a cry for attention from someone who's pretending IMO.)

I didn't question 74's OP about MI and neither does "Insider". I question that he only "wants to see a better WDW". There is other stuff at work here and I have my thoughts about what it is.

But whether 74 is right or wrong, it does not change my thinking. Disney is right not to overreact to Potter by pulling funds from other projects within the company. Watch and see.

 

[WDW1974]

First, I didn't start the thread for it to be another Disney vs. Uni fanboi foamfest that can turn into a Potter vs. Star Wars one.

I started it because I spoke with a friend on the inside about a variety of Disney topics (some that may appear here soon and some that most definitely will NOT!) ... obviously Fantasyland was a major topic and that led into the other parks.

From my understanding, Monsters coaster has been dead (not on ice ... not any colors of light) for a while. Doesn't mean it couldn't come back in the future, just that it ain't happening now in any sense, much like some of the bigger plans for DAK aren't. Maybe in five years. Not now. Not in the forseeable future.

As to why I believe Studios (and DAK) will be hurt more than the two older parks, well, I think simply watching trends of where people visit and why show that when it comes to WDW most people consider MK and then EPCOT as musts. They don't feel that way about TPFKaTD-MGMS or DAK. FWIW, TDO fully expects the 3rd and 4th gates to take the biggest hit from WWoHP ... or almost anything anyone else does in O-Town of consequence.

Sure, there are exceptions. I am sure there's someone now splitting time between the All Star Music, DAK Lodge and Hard Rock Hotel who will not set foot in MK or IOA, spend two days at DAK, one day at EPCOT, one at TPFKaTD-MGMS, one day at BB, two days at Uni, one day at Cape Canaveral, one day shopping at the outlets and parts of a few nights at CityWalk and never eat one meal at either Disney or Uni. There are always unique cases. But largely, that's not what the typical visitor will do.

As to 'Insider's' claims ... all I can say at this point is it is very easy to make 'major' changes to three attractions at Studios (with one being Star Tours), so make of that what you will.

And yes, there will be more changes to Pixar Place, but nothing of huge significance at this point (more reworking and retheming what's already there).

EDIT: Actually, there are really seven attractions at the Studios that could be changed in a major way without bringing in bulldozers or cranes or even shutting down for six months. And yes, I am sure that 2-3 will be changed (again, including ST!)

 

[jakeman]

Question.. I read that attendance this year is about the same as last year so no hits were taken there. So are they still only running Fantasmic twice a week?

I believe you are correct on both accounts as far as we can tell.

 

[MiklCraw4d]

If true, I'm kind of agnostic about this at the moment. If there is only a finite amount of money to be spent, and it's only enough for one big project, it's easy to see benefits for each option. On one hand, the MK is by far the stalest of the five Kingdoms. On the other hand, the Studios is a disaster and will suffer the most from the IOA expansion. I guess I fall in favor of bringing the MK up to code, as it will require a lot less than the Studios needs (which, IMO, is complete demolishment of everything beyond Hollywood Blvd).

Nothing shocks me anymore. After the Adventurers Club closed, I was made immune to "shocking" news.

I don't know... I thought my ability to be shocked wore off ages ago but they still keep coming up with ways to get me...

Dozens of shows the whole family can enjoy

Dozens?!

several more D and C Tickets

Several?!

Studios is ONLY lacking to people who don't go the park, but talk bad about it to look like they have serious opinions on things and enjoy acting like they have a wealth of Disney Knowledge and (furthermore) deserve it. Anyone who goes down to Studios these days can see the park's doing just fine. In upkeep, attendance, and guest satisfaction. It's a myth, a Disney Urban Legend, that Circa 2009, Studios is a "lacking park".

Well, I guess I'm one of those wannabe intellectuals, and unless things have changed considerably since March I think that the park is far from fine. It is stale. It's also "lacking'". It's lacking a consistency of theme, quality, and attractions. It's never overcome the split identity of its original design; while the production side no longer is used for filming, it still keeps a layout and design that was never intended to be a guest area.

"Sounds Dangerous", Star Tours, the "backlot" tour... they're all embarrassments at this point. The GMR is ill maintained. The Animation Tour is a pathetic and nigh-pointless remnant of its former self - and the huge animation building goes unused. Idol will go stale as sure as Millionaire did. I also have a feeling that Toy Story's lines are due to its newness (and lack of anything else to do to in the park). How long has the BATB show been playing?

It's a mess. The general public might not care about any of this, but they sure as heck will take notice when the Wizarding World ads start showing up on TV. Studios is already the least-attended Disney park in Orlando; if guests spend a day less at WDW why would they suddenly decide to take it out on the other parks? MK and EC will be fine, and I think that DAK tends to appeal strongest to a different demographic than the other three. That leaves Studio holding the bag.

Let's toss aside all of the above as irrelevant to most "once in a lifetime visitors" (irrelevant in that they wouldn't know any of this one way or the other). I think they will likely not go to DHS (if they are skipping any one park) because of the word "Studios" in the title, and they will have "already seen Universal Studios, why go to another Studio?"

Also true.

No one said it was dead. But the park is being ruined with poor decisions. The park closes at 7 p.m. three nights a week during the summer. How stupid is that?

Of course, a full day schedule requires a full day of attractions, which the park just doesn't have.

And if someone's option is either see an Idol show and ride RnRC or try something completely new and with an amazing state-of-the-art centerpiece attraction, people are gonna head to Uni.

+1

I think comparing Uni and IoA together to DHS is irrelevent because they both kick DHS' ______ with rides single handedly. DHS theme is better, but really that can't top the actual rides! IoA has great theme and rides, a very SOLID park (OT: I'm speding my next day on vacationin both IoA and Uni so I'll try to get updates on RRR and WWoHP or some cool photos!).

Agreed - IOA waxes DHS every which way. I think the unforseen outcome of Wizarding World could be that lots and lots of people who have never even heard about IOA (see the botched '99 ad campaign) discover how impressive it is. It's a possibility...

That "Sea Monster" is Gertie the Dinosaur one of the most important contributions to animation history and it just so happens that backdrops are part of HOLLYWOOD sets from HOLLYWOOD movies.

Absolutely. It's a great nod to animation's past (also fitting the time period the park is supposed to represent), and also a nice inclusion of some "California Crazy" architecture. Would we *really* feel better if it was a giant Disney character??

To quote Walt Disney "People are OK". The Disney parks don't have to have Disney-branded stuff shoved in your face every 5 feet. Many people don't remember that the first couple years of Disneylands existence 'characters were not allowed in the park at all.

+1

Many people don't remember because they really don't care about Disneyland's past regulations, and many people don't know that sea dragon Gertie is! Gertie is like an inside joke where only a dozen or so people get in the park on one day. I say give it the boot and put in a familiar face. I fell in love with Disney through the movies and characters in those movies, which led to me going to the parks. I mind EVERYTHING being Disney related, don't get me wrong, but some things just need to change. "Many people don't remember that the first couple years of Disneylands existence 'characters were not allowed in the park at all." ... no wonder that got changed....

Yeah, they should put in something familiar, something Disney... hey, why not a giant sorcerer's hat? Like in Fantasia? That would be AWESOME!

You still don't get what I'm trying to say? No one else knows. Now I may now, but millions don't. Get it? :hammer:

Should we start taking surveys? What's an acceptable percentage of guests that must understand a reference before they can put it in the park? Bet most people wouldn't get the Main Street windows at the MK... heck, most of Hollywood Boulevard is composed of references and nods to things that most people might not be familiar with.

So? That's like ripping Frontierland apart because "DERP Nobody cares about the old west anymore" or taking out Splash Mountain because it's themed to a movie Disney refuses to put out on DVD.

Trying to appeal only to the lowest common denominator is why the media sucks so much. Why America is looked down on by other countries as a land of stupid people.

+1,000,000.

 

[WDW1974]

So? That's like ripping Frontierland apart because "DERP Nobody cares about the old west anymore" or taking out Splash Mountain because it's themed to a movie Disney refuses to put out on DVD.

Trying to appeal only to the lowest common denominator is why the media sucks so much. Why America is looked down on by other countries as a land of stupid people.

There is so much I'd like to say here, but need to be careful not to hurt the feelings of those who have to unload a bunch of 'Palin 2012' shirts.

But it isn't the media, the media is a reflection on our society. (and believe me, I am so down on the media here I actually sent my first nasty note to Andy Vanderbilt last week).

I spent almost three months living/working in China last summer and the one thing everyone kept asking about (and people were universally wonderful whether locals or from all points on the planet) was how could a country as amazing and and successful and great as ours had allowed someone like our previous president to be voted into office not once, but twice, while shredding our Constitution when it fit his needs. Before anyone says this is political, relax take a breath and let it go. This isn't commentary by me. This is simply what I experienced and it was almost universal.

People around the world look to this country as a beacon ... a point of light ... and intelligent people around the globe don't get why we have been WalMarted ... and worse, why we arrogantly have touted it as something good and noble.

Ignorance in any area is LCD. It's not something to be proud of.

 

[Orange Bird]

For what it's worth, I can tell you that Disney's Hollywood Studios is receiving many new changes in the shortterm. I won't comment on the status of the new coaster, but I can tell you that a second expansion of Pixar Place is soon in coming, a major change to one of our attractions at DHS is on the way, Star Tours 2.0 is on the way, etc.

Unless "major" means an investment of less than $500,000, I do not believe you.