Tigerace81
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I saw one on July 16th at the Magic Kingdom.
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Davy Crockett Canoes
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I saw one on July 16th at the Magic Kingdom.
The Empress Lilly
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I agree with everybody. Great thread, lots of great posts.
It is really rather disheartening to see TDO exploit the MK in this manner. The MK was build so well, was so abundant in its offerings, that one can strip half of it, and still be left with a fantastic place.
Unfortunately, this is exactly what the managers realised. They operate the MK at the lowest level of show that still brings in the guests.
Sad sad sad. We should organise an internet boycott, let all of us go to DL once California Adventure is finished, just to send a message.
It is really rather disheartening to see TDO exploit the MK in this manner. The MK was build so well, was so abundant in its offerings, that one can strip half of it, and still be left with a fantastic place.
Unfortunately, this is exactly what the managers realised. They operate the MK at the lowest level of show that still brings in the guests.
Sad sad sad. We should organise an internet boycott, let all of us go to DL once California Adventure is finished, just to send a message.
MarkTwain
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I asked a Main Street CM on my last trip in December, and he said they were running earlier that day, but I never saw any.
I'm worried about the Main Street vehicles too.
TP2000
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I read this post yesterday and thought "Oh, the All-American College Band must not play sets when KaliSplash is in the park". Surely WDW wouldn't get rid of the All-American College Band!
But then, in today's OC Register newspaper, there was a story about Disneyland having a 40th Reunion this week for the Band. And in that newspaper story was this sentence... "Eventually, there were bands at Walt Disney World and Disneyland Paris. But now the program only runs at the Disneyland Resort." WHAT!?! WDW really cut the All-American College Band?!? Why, that's downright Un-American!
Seriously, who is running that place out in Florida, Scrooge McDuck?!?
When did the All-American College Band get the boot at WDW??? I avoid visiting WDW in summer due to the Florida climate, but how long ago did that happen? I can't imagine a summer day at Disneyland without the All-American College Band marching around and doing concerts in front of the Castle and in the Small World Mall.
Here's the OC Register article, with a neat little video about how Disneyland hosts these musicians from around the country for 11 weeks every summer. http://ocresort.ocregister.com/2010...ollege-band-in-40th-year-at-disneyland/50929/
XxMickeyMousexX
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lol @ imagining DL guests yelling before paddling "ok guys! We care! This ones for walt!!!!!!!"
and they olympic row through the river :ROFLOL:
you are really reaching thinking people will not "paddle" as hard at WDW because they "dont care"
Humans are generally competitive, iam sure there will be plenty apon plenty of people ready to paddle along and keep things moving.
aladdin2007
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Speaking of the canoes and main street vehicles and such,,,remember the double decker busses in world showcase? I loved those and they really added life and ambience not to mention transportation. But nope they did away with that too. TDO is quickly and quietly doing away with all the great details and extras that made the place shine and special.
Figment1986
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Well if they tried to run those buses today they would have problems since throughout the years they added more kiosks and such onto the main walkway narrowing the guest access, so if you added those buses to that it would be an accident waiting to happen. (same reason you cannot do an extravagant parade at Epcot anymore, unless they find another way to funnel guests between the countries while they have anything going on in the main walkway.
Main-street has the sidewalk and pathway through the emporium on main-street west to funnel guests, I hope if they find a way to create a pathway to funnel guests through our around Main-street east they could return the vehicles to run more than one way then used for the welcome show 3 times a day.
Tigerace81
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I asked a Main Street CM on my last trip in December, and he said they were running earlier that day, but I never saw any.
I'm worried about the Main Street vehicles too.
We got to the park right at 8:50 and saw the opening show, and when we got inside they had one with CM's riding down towards the castle. Never saw anymore after that.
djkidkaz
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The reason stuff is different is because we live in a much different time. In this day and age, people complain and sue for everything. Gun fights in Frontierland? Yeah right, back when I was a kid you could buy a cap gun that looked like a real gun, now all kids guns have to be colored flourescent orange. This is just one of those things that parents would complain is inappropriate to have in Disney World showing to kids, just like they did about the pirates chasing women around in POTC so they had to change it the women chasing the men with brooms.
I could imagine the canoe rides would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Someone goes out there and passes out due to heat, BAM lawsuit! We live in a society that now sues because coffee is hot.
If you ever look at old videos of Disneyland, you'll even see stagecoaches with horses driving people around and there are folks sitting on top of this thing not even buckled in! Today, oops, my son fell off, instant lawsuit!
Its not always some "evil" corporation trying to run things as cheap as possible, its our own society being lazy and looking for a quick buck, so the corporations have no choice but to protect themselves by removing anything that could be a potential issue for them.
If you look in the background at the second coach, you can see the people on top:
I could imagine the canoe rides would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Someone goes out there and passes out due to heat, BAM lawsuit! We live in a society that now sues because coffee is hot.
If you ever look at old videos of Disneyland, you'll even see stagecoaches with horses driving people around and there are folks sitting on top of this thing not even buckled in! Today, oops, my son fell off, instant lawsuit!
Its not always some "evil" corporation trying to run things as cheap as possible, its our own society being lazy and looking for a quick buck, so the corporations have no choice but to protect themselves by removing anything that could be a potential issue for them.
If you look in the background at the second coach, you can see the people on top:
Christi22222
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The reason stuff is different is because we live in a much different time. In this day and age, people complain and sue for everything. Gun fights in Frontierland? Yeah right, back when I was a kid you could buy a cap gun that looked like a real gun, now all kids guns have to be colored flourescent orange. This is just one of those things that parents would complain is inappropriate to have in Disney World showing to kids, just like they did about the pirates chasing women around in POTC so they had to change it the women chasing the men with brooms.
I could imagine the canoe rides would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Someone goes out there and passes out due to heat, BAM lawsuit! We live in a society that now sues because coffee is hot.
If you ever look at old videos of Disneyland, you'll even see stagecoaches with horses driving people around and there are folks sitting on top of this thing not even buckled in! Today, oops, my son fell off, instant lawsuit!
Its not always some "evil" corporation trying to run things as cheap as possible, its our own society being lazy and looking for a quick buck, so the corporations have no choice but to protect themselves by removing anything that could be a potential issue for them.
If you look in the background at the second coach, you can see the people on top:
While I don't necessarily disagree with your point that we live in a sue happy society, I don't believe this is a legitimate excuse for Disney doing away with many of the little details. The most glaring example is that I highly doubt there was any sort of "risk" to having the All-American Band. And if law suits are the problem with the canoes, how come they still exist at DL? And if that is the problem with the Main Street Vehicles, why do they still run, just not as much? I am sorry, but I'm not willing to let TDO off the hook with such a lame excuse. If this were just about "evil" corporations that we want to see as the bad guy, then we wouldn't all be holding up DL as the "good" comparison.
Christi22222
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This thread really does have a ton of very excellent points and has not reached any shrill or pitchfork worthy moments. Love that.
This post is another great point. And it answers very clearly why so many of us express our displeasure with TDO, but still go to the parks. WDW is still a fantastic place, but could simply be so much better and has been in the past. I get frustrated trying to justify to folks that I'm not just being a "basher" and that I still very much enjoy the parks!
djkidkaz
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I think its funny that people always say how much better DL is compared to WDW, yet they don't change their vacation patterns. :shrug: If I go to DL someday and see that its so much better than WDW, then I would start making that my vacation destination. Yet all these complainers keep going to WDW. I think most people just think DL is better because they don't visit it nearly as much as WDW, so they aren't noticing little details, because they are focused on the big picture still. My first few years at WDW I never noticed anything besides how cool everything was. Now 10 years later, I notice myself nitpicking little things like a piece of trash in the Rivers of America, whereas prior I was just focused on Tom Sawyer Island and seeing people having a great time, or the logs coming down Splash Mountain. As with anything, as you get used to something, you start nitpicking it. Thats why things always seem better when you think of them in the past. They haven't changed, we have.
CumulusIsobar
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We're voting with our wallet this year and making our first trip ever to DL next month. I have to admit that many of the little things mentioned, plus many BIG ones (e.g. yeti debacle), really helped steer our decision this summer even though it's a costlier trip for us to make. I'll have to wait and see how I feel after the visit and have a basis of comparison. WDW will always be my "first love" but I could see myself visiting less frequently if the west coast experience turns out to be closer to what I remember from "the good old days" in FL.
Christi22222
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I can speak for no one else, but I actually visit both parks quite frequently. I have my whole life since one extended family lived in Florida, and the other in California. I do not think everything about DL is perfect, and a few years ago they hit their own rock bottom. But it is clear now that they are making a huge effort and investment, which is quite noticeable in the parks. I choose to go to WDW for very different reasons. I actually just posted about the difference in how I feel about the WDW vs DLR a couple pages back discussing the RA. WDW is slower paced and offers more to do for longer. DL is a couple day trip and is much harder to feel immersed in the magic once you step out of the park. My point is that you can't compare equally vacations to DLR and WDW. You can only compare MK vs. DL. That is why so many folks still choose to vacation in WDW, despite disappointment with the MK.
As to memories and perceived changes vs. real ones, that is something that as been debated ad nauseum on this site and isn't easily proven either way. Certainly the rose colored glasses of new or childhood memories taint folks' thinking. However, there are enough factually based and universally agreed upon changes that I personally am choosing to go on the assumption that there have been changes and they involve slipping quality of show. You are certainly free to chalk up the rest of our opinions to faulty memories.
Christi22222
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mp2bill
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The majority of DL's visitors are Ap's which = Disney fans. The majority of WDW's visitors are tourists = Not huge Disney parks fans (to the extent where they are on internet forum and so on). Basically, DL guests would try harder b/c they care more. While there are still a good amount of WDW fans who appreciate this type of stuff, there are far more tourists than the amount of WDW fans which = DL visitors trying harder than WDW visitors. It's as simple as that
Don't think I agree with this synopsis.
I have changed my travel patterns. I live in VA outside DC. MUCHHHhhhhh closer to WDW. But I now go to WDW one time for every three or 4 trips to DL. DL does get my money and attendance because it deserves it. Its not perfect, but its not the money driven plastic version of a resort that WDW has become. I still enjoy WDW. I just enjoy DL a 1000 times more. Plus DL is just getting better. So much good stuff coming to DCA and in the works for DL. I really challenge all of you to go to DL. Its wonderful. You can still feel Walt there. And while WDW is a FUN place, DL is ALIVE with Disney charm and magic. It flowing over with details and magic. Its close to perfect for me.
the-reason14
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DL is amazing! I remember reading about how great it is etc, and I knew it was, but never knew how great until I went there myself. This time last year I was there, and I had fun! I also remember hearing and reading how much better Disneyland is compared to the mk. Other than space mt and maybe splash mt and tomorrowland, I think that statement is true. Disneyland also has a more "homey" feel to it as its very small and convenient.
WondersOfLife
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in my opinion, conoes aren't my thing...i'm used to speedboats :lookaroun