DAS with anxiety disorder

[Hawg G]

Even if it is 20% of guests on a given day, that’s actually in line with the % of adults who have disabilities in the US

(Keep in mind, I highly doubt it’s 20% on DAS alone..with mobility access, sure, and would be totally in line statistically).

But, again, no one with mobility issues is given one, and I'm assuming that's the vast majority of handicapped people. Plus, autism isn't considered a handicap unless it is much worse than the level of most at WDW.

"Can't stand in a line for 30 minutes without getting upset" isn't really a disability.

 

[Angel Ariel]

But, again, no one with mobility issues is given one, and I'm assuming that's the vast majority of handicapped people. Plus, autism isn't considered a handicap unless it is much worse than the level of most at WDW.

"Can't stand in a line for 30 minutes without getting upset" isn't really a disability.

It isn’t true that no one with mobility issues gets one - it’s more no one with *only* mobility issues that are solved by a wheelchair or scooter gets one. There are mobility issues that fall outside that scope, and there are people with mobility issues who have other co-existing conditions that may qualify them.

There are also some attractions that, for mobility users, are also given a return time like DAS - so someone seeing them momentarily may assume they have a DAS, but it’s just one of the few attractions that handles it with a return time for mobility also.

The conversation happening here seems to want to simplify the conversation and ignore the intricacies and wide spectrum of disability that exists

 

[Br0ckford]

I guess I'm old fashioned. I missed when kindness, empathy, and consideration for others left the room. I can't imagine getting upset because a handicap person or a kid with autism had to wait less time then me at Walt Disney World. That's assuming I was even paying attention to what others a doing.

 

[Chi84]

"Can't stand in a line for 30 minutes without getting upset" isn't really a disability.

Well it’s not the definition of autism either. People with disabilities are entitled to only those accommodations reasonably required by their particular disability.

 

[crazy4disney]

Even if it is 20% of guests on a given day, that’s actually in line with the % of adults who have disabilities in the US

(Keep in mind, I highly doubt it’s 20% on DAS alone..with mobility access, sure, and would be totally in line statistically).

Im just saying anyone who is “cheating” to me is negligible in the grand scheme of things. Also to people who saying Disney is inflating lines to deter DAS is comical.

 

[Hawg G]

Well it’s not the definition of autism either. People with disabilities are entitled to only those accommodations reasonably required by their particular disability.

It's the main reason I see given for getting DASs. There are no levels of DAS. Everyone gets the top tier.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Im just saying anyone who is “cheating” to me is negligible in the grand scheme of things. Also to people who saying Disney is inflating lines to deter DAS is comical.

Agreed!

 

[Hawg G]

It isn’t true that no one with mobility issues gets one - it’s more no one with *only* mobility issues that are solved by a wheelchair or scooter gets one. There are mobility issues that fall outside that scope, and there are people with mobility issues who have other co-existing conditions that may qualify them.

There are also some attractions that, for mobility users, are also given a return time like DAS - so someone seeing them momentarily may assume they have a DAS, but it’s just one of the few attractions that handles it with a return time for mobility also.

The conversation happening here seems to want to simplify the conversation and ignore the intricacies and wide spectrum of disability that exists

Because I'm paying a lot of money to go, so don't expect a large group of folks getting a much better product than me for possibly little real reason

. Then the same people swear it's really not a big advantage to have 3 tier 1 FPs in a world where FPs no longer exists for everyone else.

I don't think anyone argues that truly disabled people should be accommodated. But if you truly don't think there are issues with abuse, or with how good of an advantage it is with people suing because they LOST some of the access, and others creating a living by selling their very presence with that advantage, then.... I don't know.

 

[Angel Ariel]

It's the main reason I see given for getting DASs. There are no levels of DAS. Everyone gets the top tier.

Just saying you can’t stand in line for 30 minutes doesn’t get you a DAS IME. They ask you to explain why. Not diagnosis, but what the need is.

Multiple people here are saying you’re simplifying this more than is reasonable. Perhaps take a moment and listen, rather than double down.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Because I'm paying a lot of money to go, so don't expect a large group of folks getting a much better product than me for possibly little real reason View attachment 658123. Then the same people swear it's really not a big advantage to have 3 tier 1 FPs in a world where FPs no longer exists for everyone else.

I don't think anyone argues that truly disabled people should be accommodated. But if you truly don't think there are issues with abuse, or with how good of an advantage it is with people suing because they LOST some of the access, and others creating a living by selling their very presence with that advantage, then.... I don't know.

Do I think there are some who cheat the system?

There’s people who cheat every system.

Do I think there’s enough people cheating the system that it’s adding an hour to lines as has been insinuated here? Or that it’s causing Disney to inflate wait times? Nope. And nope.

 

[DryerLintFan]

It's my understanding that the lawsuits that came after GAC was cancelled and DAS was implemented were specific to autistic children because there's a need they generally have to re-ride certain attractions they've become fixated on as a symptom of their condition. It wasn't that they needed to skip all lines, it was that when they were fixated on, say, splash mountain, GAC allowed them to ride around and around and around until their fixation was satisfied and they were able to move on peacefully. DAS does not afford them that ability, instead forcing them off the ride and making them get a return time and wait for a second round in the midst of their fixation which is really hard on them.

Since this keeps coming up, I hope it clears this up a little @Hawg G

I do agree with you that most kids don't like waiting in line. But I do recall reading about these lawsuits and it was much more in depth than skipping the wait.

 

[Hawg G]

It's my understanding that the lawsuits that came after GAC was cancelled and DAS was implemented were specific to autistic children because there's a need they generally have to re-ride certain attractions they've become fixated on as a symptom of their condition. It wasn't that they needed to skip all lines, it was that when they were fixated on, say, splash mountain, GAC allowed them to ride around and around and around until their fixation was satisfied and they were able to move on peacefully. DAS does not afford them that ability, instead forcing them off the ride and making them get a return time and wait for a second round in the midst of their fixation which is really hard on them.

Since this keeps coming up, I hope it clears this up a little @Hawg G

I do agree with you that most kids don't like waiting in line. But I do recall reading about these lawsuits and it was much more in depth than skipping the wait.

Hmmmm, more proof that GAC was way more than simple accommodation.

I'm sure the lawsuits tried to claim a much larger issue. But Disney isn't obligated to meet the demands of all children.

As for it not causing an extra hour wait. If 10% of people are getting in front of you, over a 10 hour day.....

 

[DryerLintFan]

Hmmmm, more proof that GAC was way more than simple accommodation.

I'm sure the lawsuits tried to claim a much larger issue. But Disney isn't obligated to meet the demands of all children.

As for it not causing an extra hour wait. If 10% of people are getting in front of you, over a 10 hour day.....

There's a lot to unpack here,...

GAC is irrelevant. Completely and utterly irrelevant.

The judge agreed with you, as far as I recall. Disney cannot possibly meet the needs of all children, or all people with disabilities. They are only obligated to provide accommodations that would allow those with disabilities the opportunity to enjoy the parks like those without disabilities can. DAS is a generic umbrella program meant to provide those accommodations and meet that obligation without having to get into specifics for each person's use case. But as far as I remember reading, DAS satisfied the obligation without Disney needing to provide any further GAC-esque front of the line pass for those suffering from fixations.

 

[Doberge]

But, again, no one with mobility issues is given one, and I'm assuming that's the vast majority of handicapped people. Plus, autism isn't considered a handicap unless it is much worse than the level of most at WDW.

"Can't stand in a line for 30 minutes without getting upset" isn't really a disability.

I don't know that mobility issues makes up the majority. That presupposes that there aren't an equal number of morr of people with disabilities that you're not going to see.

There are absolutely plenty of spectrum folks who cannot wait in line 30 minutes. Yeah, there are some who use the diagnosis to get DAS without regard to need and that doubly frustrates me because my son is on the spectrum and we choose to not go through DAS because he can wait in line. That said, another family close to us has a kid with autism who can't wait in line well for more than about 10 minutes before struggling. We traveled with them recently (and hopped on their DAS as a group) and he absolutely needed it.

 

[jloucks]

So I get your point, but not all of us are triggered by abusers that easily. Why? Because I won't judge those I don't know.

There will always be cheaters. There will always be fakers. I cannot waste my energy on that.

I dunno, not caring about cheaters & fakers seems like a base level problem to me.

But, I get what some folks are saying. Not caring is a powerful weapon against injustice.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I dunno, not caring about cheaters & fakers seems like a base level problem to me.

But, I get what some folks are saying. Not caring is a powerful weapon against injustice.

I think reducing what @helenabear shared down to “not caring” is missing quite a lot.

I shared a similar sentiment earlier. Yes, I care that people cheat the system. Am I going to let it interrupt my family’s experience? Nope. Doesn’t mean I won’t advocate - but me getting upset about it in the moment and making assumptions about people i see for a few moments in time max isn’t *accomplishing* anything to address the cheaters. All it does is suck joy from my and my family’s experience. And that’s not worth the energy. I’ll save my energy for actions that have the potential to actually accomplish something.

 

[Chi84]

I dunno, not caring about cheaters & fakers seems like a base level problem to me.

But, I get what some folks are saying. Not caring is a powerful weapon against injustice.

Cheaters and fakers exist everywhere and there's no question they ruin things for everyone. Those posters who use DAS say that Disney is taking the steps allowed to ensure appropriate accommodation while complying with the ADA's proscription against making disabled persons reveal private medical information to businesses.

While the people who need accommodation are going through the process, we've repeatedly seen people who had better things to do than stand in line pushing through to join up with others holding a place for them.

In a perfect world, there would be procedures in place sufficient to stop the cheaters and fakers without making life more difficult for the rest of us. It's human nature to hate cheaters and want to take whatever steps are necessary to stop them. We just have to make sure the cure isn't worse than the disease.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

I think reducing what @helenabear shared down to “not caring” is missing quite a lot.

I shared a similar sentiment earlier. Yes, I care that people cheat the system. Am I going to let it interrupt my family’s experience? Nope. Doesn’t mean I won’t advocate - but me getting upset about it in the moment and making assumptions about people i see for a few moments in time max isn’t *accomplishing* anything to address the cheaters. All it does is suck joy from my and my family’s experience. And that’s not worth the energy. I’ll save my energy for actions that have the potential to actually accomplish something.

It might be that people who are able to use it don't care as much because they're not really affected by somebody abusing the system that much unless it becomes kind of ridiculous then it might be something that would concern people. For those of us that don't use it, yes it is annoying to see somebody sneaking in so to speak using the system when they don't really need it, and we know that this does happen. And given that FP is now a paid thing. It is literally stealing.

 

[jloucks]

I think reducing what @helenabear shared down to “not caring” is missing quite a lot.

I shared a similar sentiment earlier. Yes, I care that people cheat the system. Am I going to let it interrupt my family’s experience? Nope. Doesn’t mean I won’t advocate - but me getting upset about it in the moment and making assumptions about people i see for a few moments in time max isn’t *accomplishing* anything to address the cheaters. All it does is suck joy from my and my family’s experience. And that’s not worth the energy. I’ll save my energy for actions that have the potential to actually accomplish something.

There are a lot of facets to this issue. I am not so much missing a lot as I am looking through different facets.

I understand the different perspectives just fine. The degree to which I agree with them all is on a spectrum. I'm not sure anybody is 100% wrong.

Many statements you made make really good sense. ...from that facet. You have some wise words there.

 

[Angel Ariel]

It might be that people who are able to use it don't care as much because they're not really affected by somebody abusing the system that much unless it becomes kind of ridiculous then it might be something that would concern people. For those of us that don't use it, yes it is annoying to see somebody sneaking in so to speak using the system when they don't really need it, and we know that this does happen. And given that FP is now a paid thing. It is literally stealing.

I really don’t know what to say if this is what you’re taking from my post.

Again, IMO it’s beyond wrong to equate setting a boundary for what will impact your family’s enjoyment to not caring about the abuse.

Yes, I care about the abuse. Yes, I agree it’s stealing. Yes it’s annoying that these people exist.

No, it shouldn’t be a “requirement” that for me to be seen as caring about it, I have to get angry and exorcised about an assumption I have no right making about a family I see for less than 5 mins.