DAS with anxiety disorder

[crazy4disney]

I hear what you are saying, truly, but ime this doesn’t solve the questions/suspicious looks, etc. we have a disabled placard for the car - which does require physician signature - and it doesn’t stop the suspicious looks there. So I have significant doubts it would ever do the same for Disney.

I agree people still gonna look no matter what. When we go we rent a car and my mom has her handicap card for car and still. Doesnt matter. I think the only ones who would stop “judging” would be cast members who should be the last ones to judge from the get go bc if a more detailed process is needed for DAS they can no longer “talk” when people use it granted now that you can book online the looks are less for sure…

I do get how they may need to do something as people will look for a way to save say 60 a day for a family of 4 but again. Spending so much are you really gonna lower yourself to save 3-400. To me those people who would were trying to game the system
Already even w FP.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I agree people still gonna look no matter what. When we go we rent a car and my mom has her handicap card for car and still. Doesnt matter. I think the only ones who would stop “judging” would be cast members who should be the last ones to judge from the get go bc if a more detailed process is needed for DAS they can no longer “talk” when people use it granted now that you can book online the looks are less for sure…

I do get how they may need to do something as people will look for a way to save say 60 a day for a family of 4 but again. Spending so much are you really gonna lower yourself to save 3-400. To me those people who would were trying to game the system
Already even w FP.

I am a fairly self-conscious person - something. I’m working on - but I have gotten to a point that I just don’t have the energy to expend to worry about what others may think, and have experienced enough issues with DD’s right to access education that I do put a high priority on ensuring her rights.

I’ve had comments directed at me for helping DD access a straw by someone who happened to see us in a restaurant for a few moments and thought it appropriate to tell me she would “never” be independent because I was helping her too much. People are judgmental. Their judgment and bias isn’t my problem, or DD’s. No change to the DAS system is going to impact people who choose to be judgmental.

 

[crazy4disney]

I am a fairly self-conscious person - something. I’m working on - but I have gotten to a point that I just don’t have the energy to expend to worry about what others may think, and have experienced enough issues with DD’s right to access education that I do put a high priority on ensuring her rights.

I’ve had comments directed at me for helping DD access a straw by someone who happened to see us in a restaurant for a few moments and thought it appropriate to tell me she would “never” be independent because I was helping her too much. People are judgmental. Their judgment and bias isn’t my problem, or DD’s. No change to the DAS system is going to impact people who choose to be judgmental.

totally agree hence why i dgaf what anyone thinks or says... people want to be ignorant so be it not my problem nor my cares especially on vacation when the chances of seeing that person again is slim to none....

 

[ppete1975]

Wow, so much wrong with this post. Where do I begin?

1. Six Flags has a terrible system for a terrible chain of parks -- I've been to every Six Flags park other than Great Escape and Six Flags Mexico. I think that what you might mean is that its more advantageous for people with disabilities. But it reduces the size of the pie for all guests, and makes the day much worse for the other paying customers -- and it also effectively downsells the Flash Pass that they actually charge a lot of money for.
2. The doctor's note is irrelevant. The regulations prohibit any park from asking for a note. To be honest, this is kind of an annoyance more than anything, since they cross examine you on your own, and just having a note won't help.
3. No, its not an unlimited free for all. You get time intervals between rides. Still extremely generous, as you burn off this time generally by riding and going to your next ride, but its not exactly unrestricted-- and it effectively stops you from marathoning at least (but its still a headscratcher that they'd make it even more valuable than the Flash Pass). And when I expressed my contempt for the system, its because of how they give them exit entries -- it means that the disability guests must be fully seated before the airgates can open and the stand-by/Flash guests can get on. This causes horrible stacking and terrible dispatches. Not only is someone skipping the line in front of you, but they're really slowing the line down hard to do it. Disney is smart enough to send the DAS guest through the LL line at least so its pretty seamless.
4. I don't know where you got this two lap maximum nonsense from at Disney. You get comeback times that you reserve based on length of stand-by line. When you cash that come time in, and you can book again. You could conceivably ride Rise of the Resistance six times in one day if you committed to just booking return times for it again and again and occupying yourself in between.

Not sure where your vitriol is coming from. So first chill out.
Ill try to answer your points
1) Its a comparison of the systems. I dont like six flags either, as its a no theming roller coaster park, and Im the direct opposite of that demographic. When we went ..2020 right after it reopened (I think), the just gave us a card or piece of paper and we could ride anything we want no wait, it was like a fast pass. (not sure how it was done before of after)
2) The reason I mention a drs note, is from what I understood by posters on here and other sources is if you were scum you could easily answer the questions the right way and get the privileges, which dilutes it from the people its there to benefit. Case in point support animals. Once my job (10000s of employees) had its first support animal (completely legitimate and a joy for him and all), there were people who started bringing in their dogs just daring HR to stop them and were ready to sue. Many told me they had no legal reason they just like their puppy. And I assume lots of the dogs you see at walmart etc are the same.
3) not what i experienced at six flags over texas... sorry
4) posters on this site in this thread, and other places (if I am wrong then i apologize)

I am not sure where you anger is coming from but i feel it is misplaced. I am all for people that need a little extra help. But I am not in favor of scummy people who stretch the rules and take advantage of the kindness of others and the parks, which in turn dilutes the experience and the overall gesture behind it to a point that it is no longer as wonderful as it should be.

Support animals are the same way, if you need one i am all for you bringing it everywhere, but since its been diluted by selfish people, that the general population now judges everyone with one, to the point that think all are taking advantage of the rules.

In fact there was a huge thread about that very thing on here years ago until the lady passed. Look up something about poodle lady.

Overall, sorry if I made your day anything less than magical. If you dont like my response, then please block me, as I wont get pulled into a debate

 

[ppete1975]

I am a fairly self-conscious person - something. I’m working on - but I have gotten to a point that I just don’t have the energy to expend to worry about what others may think, and have experienced enough issues with DD’s right to access education that I do put a high priority on ensuring her rights.

I’ve had comments directed at me for helping DD access a straw by someone who happened to see us in a restaurant for a few moments and thought it appropriate to tell me she would “never” be independent because I was helping her too much. People are judgmental. Their judgment and bias isn’t my problem, or DD’s. No change to the DAS system is going to impact people who choose to be judgmental.

You are a much nicer person than me. I would have been kicked out and banned from the parks after punching the person in the face.
Wait you said she. Id pay someone to punch her in the face, judging by the videos on here I am sure someone would take me up on the offer.

People need to mind their own business, you never know whats going on in anothers life.

 

[dave&di]

I am being honest when I ask this, but if one has a severe anxiety disorder, how is being strapped into a vehicle that you can't get out of going to be good for that? Theme park rides seem like a bad combo with that disorder. Walking the park, taking in shows seeing characters seems good.

I suffer from anxiety, I can sit on rides and be strapped in, I’m distracted and enjoying myself in the moment. Standing in a long queue gives me time to think of my anxieties “how do I feel?” “Am I too hot? Maybe I feel a bit faint now I think about it” “what if I’d feel faint and pass out in the queue?” I need distractions like the attractions! I‘m also the same in eateries, I only do themed eateries (sci-fi dine in is my fav) or quick service otherwise I’ll be analysing my thoughts too much.
Just to add I’ve never applied for DAS as we’ve only gone in September when the queue times are minimal.
Hope this makes sense.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I suffer from anxiety, I can sit on rides and be strapped in, I’m distracted and enjoying myself in the moment. Standing in a long queue gives me time to think of my anxieties “how do I feel?” “Am I too hot? Maybe I feel a bit faint now I think about it” “what if I’d feel faint and pass out in the queue?” I need distractions like the attractions! I‘m also the same in eateries, I only do themed eateries (sci-fi dine in is my fav) or quick service otherwise I’ll be analysing my thoughts too much.
Just to add I’ve never applied for DAS as we’ve only gone in September when the queue times are minimal.
Hope this makes sense.

Exactly. Anxiety is a spectrum of expression. everyone has different triggers.

 

[dave&di]

Exactly. Anxiety is a spectrum of expression. everyone has different triggers.

Yep, anxiety is a complicated thing!

 

[Angel Ariel]

But is it really something that should allow you to skip lines at WDW?

That would really depend on what the person's individual trigger is, and not something to debate on a diagnosis level - especially for diagnoses that have such a wide range of expression. My anxiety isn't triggered by issues that arise in lines, so I don't get a DAS for myself. (We do get one for DD for other reasons) But it isn't for me to say that someone else's anxiety doesn't require that accommodation.

And again, it's not skipping lines. It's not a front of the line pass. There are parks that do that. Disney isn't one of them.

 

[jloucks]

I said it about 8 pages ago, but I will say it again. The problem here is the cheaters, not the fellow forum members who are fed up with abuse and are a little triggered.

So many cheaters making the whole system stink of corruption, they should be the focus of our ire.

The problem is, many folks actually kinda have themselves convinced they are worthy of ADA protection when they probably aren't.

So in their mind, they are not cheats and the critics are monsters. ...making things even more difficult to navigate diplomatically.

First to blame --> Cheaters
Second to blame --> ADA protections making clear qualifications and enforcement near impossible
Last to blame --> us here debating the symptoms and minutia

"But I have an invisible disability" - Understand this makes for the absolute perfect stage for rampant abuse. It's really easy for anybody to have invisible stuff. Anybody can do it.

Last tiny vent, it was last weekend. We were downtown and a giant pickup with a temp handicapped tag parked right next to our destination. 4-5 people poured out and almost skipped into the restaurant. Must be an invisible ailment.

The problem is my friends husband, who fell down the stairs and had a sever brain bleed and cannot walk at all, had to park her ramp van way down the street and navigate several blocks with a wheelchair because the truck of invisible ailments took the close spot.

Yea, yea, I know, "''twas invisible disability and pipe down Mr. judgy". ...but I was fully triggered and am now even more skeptical of invisible ailments than I was 2 weeks ago.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I said it about 8 pages ago, but I will say it again. The problem here is the cheaters, not the fellow forum members who are fed up with abuse and are a little triggered.

So many cheaters making the whole system stink of corruption, they should be the focus of our ire.

The problem is, many folks actually kinda have themselves convinced they are worthy of ADA protection when they probably aren't.

So in their mind, they are not cheats and the critics are monsters. ...making things even more difficult to navigate diplomatically.

First to blame --> Cheaters
Second to blame --> ADA protections making clear qualifications and enforcement near impossible
Last to blame --> us here debating the symptoms and minutia

"But I have an invisible disability" - Understand this makes for the absolute perfect stage for rampant abuse. It's really easy for anybody to have invisible stuff. Anybody can do it.

Last tiny vent, it was last weekend. We were downtown and a giant pickup with a temp handicapped tag parked right next to our destination. 4-5 people poured out and almost skipped into the restaurant. Must be an invisible ailment.

The problem is my friends husband, who fell down the stairs and had a sever brain bleed and cannot walk at all, had to park her ramp van way down the street and navigate several blocks with a wheelchair because the truck of invisible ailments took the close spot.

Yea, yea, I know, "''twas invisible disability and pipe down Mr. judgy". ...but I was fully triggered and am now even more skeptical of invisible ailments than I was 2 weeks ago.

I get your skepticism. And. You really don't know what another family is dealing with just by looking at them for a few moments.

We qualify for a disabled parking placard. DD doesn't have an obvious physical disability (an awkward gait, but nothing that screams anything more involved to anyone who doesn't know her). She also has some physical issues that you can’t tell by looking at her. She qualifies for these reasons and because due to her developmental disability, she may elope at any time - which is dangerous in a parking lot, and why it qualifies for a placard. I have no doubt there are those who have looked at us at times and said well they don't need it. They have no idea what our lives are like on a daily basis, how many hours a week DD spends in therapies, etc.

I myself qualified for a temporary disability pass last summer for a few months. I had major surgery on my foot - couldn't put weight on it at all for 6 weeks. Then moved to a boot. Then moved to shoes. I still had the pass after moving to shoes because I was still dealing with pain with any distance of walking. Combined with the extra effort to meet DD's needs as well,I needed every bit of energy and stamina to finish the errand in the store, not expending it walking in the parking lot. I didn't abuse it, but I used it when I needed it. And I'm sure at times that was when I was with a party of 5 (my parents often visit us), and again to some i have no doubt it would have looked like we didn't need it - but the boot coming off didn't mean everything was suddenly hunky dory and I was back to "normal".

Rather than looking to judge others or be skeptical, we should be asking ourselves why is society so freaking inaccessible in the first place?

 

[Br0ckford]

Imagine taking a vacation to Walt Disney World and giving an absolute damn about what anyone else is doing. I have been going regularly for over 30 years. I wouldn't know anyone using DAS from anyone not using it. I am in my vacation world, not in someone else's. Scooters don't bother me one bit. Not even the, dun dun, dun, scooters that get on the bus before me. If I can't wait a few minutes standing in line then I need to get my butt in better shape. Life is easier when you realize "Hey, I'm at Walt Disney World". Some aren't as fortunate as me.

 

[correcaminos]

I said it about 8 pages ago, but I will say it again. The problem here is the cheaters, not the fellow forum members who are fed up with abuse and are a little triggered.

So many cheaters making the whole system stink of corruption, they should be the focus of our ire.

The problem is, many folks actually kinda have themselves convinced they are worthy of ADA protection when they probably aren't.

So in their mind, they are not cheats and the critics are monsters. ...making things even more difficult to navigate diplomatically.

First to blame --> Cheaters
Second to blame --> ADA protections making clear qualifications and enforcement near impossible
Last to blame --> us here debating the symptoms and minutia

"But I have an invisible disability" - Understand this makes for the absolute perfect stage for rampant abuse. It's really easy for anybody to have invisible stuff. Anybody can do it.

Last tiny vent, it was last weekend. We were downtown and a giant pickup with a temp handicapped tag parked right next to our destination. 4-5 people poured out and almost skipped into the restaurant. Must be an invisible ailment.

The problem is my friends husband, who fell down the stairs and had a sever brain bleed and cannot walk at all, had to park her ramp van way down the street and navigate several blocks with a wheelchair because the truck of invisible ailments took the close spot.

Yea, yea, I know, "''twas invisible disability and pipe down Mr. judgy". ...but I was fully triggered and am now even more skeptical of invisible ailments than I was 2 weeks ago.

So I get your point, but not all of us are triggered by abusers that easily. Why? Because I won't judge those I don't know.

There will always be cheaters. There will always be fakers. I cannot waste my energy on that.

 

[Hawg G]

Imagine taking a vacation to Walt Disney World and giving an absolute damn about what anyone else is doing. I have been going regularly for over 30 years. I wouldn't know anyone using DAS from anyone not using it. I am in my vacation world, not in someone else's. Scooters don't bother me one bit. Not even the, dun dun, dun, scooters that get on the bus before me. If I can't wait a few minutes standing in line then I need to get my butt in better shape. Life is easier when you realize "Hey, I'm at Walt Disney World". Some aren't as fortunate as me.

When lines were reasonable, even during the GAC abuse where like 25% of the line were GAC users, it wasn't as big of a deal. But when lines are long for everything, and avoiding lines cost money (unless you have DAS), yeah, some folks might get upset that DAS abuse is costing them probably an hour or more waiting every day. And is giving those folks a benefit they would have to pay hundreds of dollars for, as they whisk by with their group of 6-8.

 

[Br0ckford]

When lines were reasonable, even during the GAC abuse where like 25% of the line were GAC users, it wasn't as big of a deal. But when lines are long for everything, and avoiding lines cost money (unless you have DAS), yeah, some folks might get upset that DAS abuse is costing them probably an hour or more waiting every day. And is giving those folks a benefit they would have to pay hundreds of dollars for, as they whisk by with their group of 6-8.

I guess. Maybe I just don't pay attention. Again, I'm in my world, not evil eyeing people. Those they come to a dead stop in the middle of the walking paths, now they are gonna get the evil eye.

 

[crazy4disney]

When lines were reasonable, even during the GAC abuse where like 25% of the line were GAC users, it wasn't as big of a deal. But when lines are long for everything, and avoiding lines cost money (unless you have DAS), yeah, some folks might get upset that DAS abuse is costing them probably an hour or more waiting every day. And is giving those folks a benefit they would have to pay hundreds of dollars for, as they whisk by with their group of 6-8.

There literally is NO way a guest can tell if someone has DAS or not especially now that you are booking on the app. You literally need to be at the Entrance point where they scan you and staring at the CM to “approve” the person with DAS. If you are doing that every ride. I seriously feel bad for you or anyone else that is doing that same thing…

 

[Hawg G]

There literally is NO way a guest can tell if someone has DAS or not especially now that you are booking on the app. You literally need to be at the Entrance point where they scan you and staring at the CM to “approve” the person with DAS. If you are doing that every ride. I seriously feel bad for you or anyone else that is doing that same thing…

Who said they were doing that? I'm sure that was part of Disney's plan, to make it more invisible, to help hide the abuse to other guests.
But I do think the massive overestimating of wait times is in part for lowering DAS abuse. And of course also to help convince folks they need to buy Genie+.

I mean, let's not forget this is happening, and it says there are LOTS more similar suits. Plenty of folks are angry they lost the fast access...

Trial over disability access at Disney World ends with delayed decision

Victory over Disney is a long shot, but mother of autistic son says trial is ‘right thing for our kids.'

www.tampabay.com

 

[crazy4disney]

Who said they were doing that? I'm sure that was part of Disney's plan, to make it more invisible, to help hide the abuse to other guests.
But I do think the massive overestimating of wait times is in part for lowering DAS abuse. And of course also to help convince folks they need to buy Genie+.

I mean, let's not forget this is happening, and it says there are LOTS more similar suits. Plenty of folks are angry they lost the fast access...

Trial over disability access at Disney World ends with delayed decision

Victory over Disney is a long shot, but mother of autistic son says trial is ‘right thing for our kids.'

www.tampabay.com

Ive used DAS in each version and yes the old old system was way better totally agree hence why i say and debate now DAS is truly a nothing burger anymore bc wait times are so long for headliners etc how many rides can you truly get on and what do you do in between. I truly believe they knew this hence allowing people to book 2 rides ahead of time and then a 3rd once you enter apark. Also why i still bought Genie even tho i loathe the system bc i truly have no other choice… again im fine with it as it is what it is. Did others ruin it 100% for sure. Can Disney do better. 100% imo. They should cap return times as i suggested yesterday at a reasonable wait i said 30-45 minutes. Heck i be willing to go to an hour if need be to prevent a similar problem but i dont think the abuse is as bad as people think it is honestly. People have used 20% as a number of guests who have it during any given day. No clue where they came up w that but even if true. How many of those are actual “cheats” even if 25% ofthat is i think that number is high thats basically 5% of all guests are cheating are wait times really getting inflated bc of that spread out across all theseparks? I highly doubt it.


And in regards to who said it. It was stated that how does it feel that a group of 6/8 people using DAS just skipped past you on the line. All i said was its truly impossible to know who is using DAS these days for most part…

 

[Angel Ariel]

Imagine taking a vacation to Walt Disney World and giving an absolute damn about what anyone else is doing. I have been going regularly for over 30 years. I wouldn't know anyone using DAS from anyone not using it. I am in my vacation world, not in someone else's. Scooters don't bother me one bit. Not even the, dun dun, dun, scooters that get on the bus before me. If I can't wait a few minutes standing in line then I need to get my butt in better shape. Life is easier when you realize "Hey, I'm at Walt Disney World". Some aren't as fortunate as me.

Amen.

We go to Disney specifically to escape the tedious day to day crap and focus on our family.

 

[Angel Ariel]

People have used 20% as a number of guests who have it during any given day. No clue where they came up w that but even if true. How many of those are actual “cheats” even if 25% ofthat is i think that number is high thats basically 5% of all guests are cheating are wait times really getting inflated bc of that spread out across all theseparks? I highly doubt it.

Even if it is 20% of guests on a given day, that’s actually in line with the % of adults who have disabilities in the US

(Keep in mind, I highly doubt it’s 20% on DAS alone..with mobility access, sure, and would be totally in line statistically).