Dare I say it? For the physically challenged...

[mousermerf]

im there with ya,my parents would gladly do the same

And has anyone bothered to ask them or anyone else if they'd mind riding in a private van with their party from A to B if the vans were readily available?

 

[BuzzLite_Fran]

First off:

Pseudo-experts on the ADA and various laws:

At Disneyland they have special vans exclusively for the purpose of taking people with wheelchairs from the parking structure to the park entrances. Everyone else walks or rides the trams.

The school districts in nearly every state run special buses around to pick up the children with wheelchairs - other students ride the regular non-equipped buses.

There, proved you wrong, so stop spouting nonsense.

Second:

It does not take "a minute" to load a wheelchair into most Disney buses. I waited for 15mins just the other day in a full line - long enough for another disney bus between MGM and Epcot to arrive. The second bus filled completely loaded, to capacity, and left before the first was finished with the first of two wheelchairs it was loading.

People are being inconvienced, unneededly, so that Disney can save money. They need more buses and they need to run the special vans. They're just too cheap and everyone lets them get away with it with inaccurate notions of what the laws are and how people want to be treated.

There is nothing wrong with riding with your party in a special van from A to B, Disney should have enough vans to accomodate people. The reason for an unfair wait? Disney being cheap.

Don't blame other people, dont accuse them of being insensitive and cruel. Disney is cheap. That's the real problem. Place the blame firmly where it belongs.

Well I have an idea....since you are Sooooo inconvienenced and its too much of a bother to have compassion on people less fortunate that you are......instead of paying hard earned dollars and go where you are inconvienenced.......why not stay at home, and go to the local Chuck E Cheese for the day..... I hear its a whole lot cheaper, and there maybe you can continue your attitude of "It's all about ME

Just a thought... not that I have an opinion or anything..........
This post will self destruct in 10 seconds due to sarcasm...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[duck_daddy]

im there with ya,my parents would gladly do the same

Not once has the OP whined. He stated a well thought out and well worded(much more so than I would have done)topic for discussion, and as usual the bandwagon for poor and defenseless gang banged him! He didn't say anything to offend anyone. He didn't point fingers our call names(as many have now done to him) he simply stated his piece, raising a point that could maybe help both groups of people. He didn't ask Disney to get trailor hitches put on the back of the bus and drag the people on the ECV's around. He was simply trying to discuss a solution to help everyone. It always seems that people get so bent out of shape about these subjects when, really, there is nothing to get upset about. I'm sure many of the people wheelchair bound would give anything to walk again, the OP wasn't questioning that, nor wishing he was wheelchair bound so he could get faster bus service and expedited line treatment. Take a step back, read the posts, now chill!:wave:

 

[BuzzLite_Fran]

Oh people please....Seriously...

Why does someone always find something to complain about?

You are at WDW..who cares if you have to wait a little longer for a bus or a ride or whatever else you have to wait for...isn't it better then being in your own hometown waiting in rush hour traffic or waiting in line at the bank or the grocery store?

Just have fun and enjoy your time with your family or friends or whoever while you are on vacation....


..Have a Magical Day!

Thank you...kind of what I was thinking........read your post....and have decided to end my participation in this thread......its becoming like a headach:brick: :brick: :brick:


Peace ...........O U T!

 

[duck_daddy]

Well I have an idea....since you are Sooooo inconvienenced and its too much of a bother to have compassion on people less fortunate that you are......instead of paying hard earned dollars and go where you are inconvienenced.......why not stay at home, and go to the local Chuck E Cheese for the day..... I hear its a whole lot cheaper, and there maybe you can continue your attitude of "It's all about ME

Just a thought... not that I have an opinion or anything..........
This post will self destruct in 10 seconds due to sarcasm...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Being less fortunate is a mind-set. The people who live under the bridge are less fortunate than the people at WDW by far, do you hear them complaining because they aren't getting a trip?

 

[mousermerf]

Seriously, calling people with WC's less fortunate is far more offensive then anything i've said.

 

[The Mak]

Well I have an idea....since you are Sooooo inconvienenced and its too much of a bother to have compassion on people less fortunate that you are......instead of paying hard earned dollars and go where you are inconvienenced.......why not stay at home, and go to the local Chuck E Cheese for the day..... I hear its a whole lot cheaper, and there maybe you can continue your attitude of "It's all about ME

Just a thought... not that I have an opinion or anything..........
This post will self destruct in 10 seconds due to sarcasm...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

After merf's quality post backed up by factual evidence, I consider this follow up an insult to the forums. I've witnessed what merf talked about firsthand many times up in NYC.

The MTA couldn't keep their public buses' wheelchair lifts working consistently, so the city runs the Access-A-Ride service. The public school system also has specially equipped buses for wheelchairs.

My only gripe with wheelchair transportation access at WDW (as an able bodied young adult) is the occasional time a gigantor sized party around boards alongside a wheelchair/ECV. Even then, by the time they're all seated another bus has pulled alongside it, so it all balances out anyway.

 

[rcapolete]

First off:

Pseudo-experts on the ADA and various laws:

At Disneyland they have special vans exclusively for the purpose of taking people with wheelchairs from the parking structure to the park entrances. Everyone else walks or rides the trams.

The school districts in nearly every state run special buses around to pick up the children with wheelchairs - other students ride the regular non-equipped buses.

There, proved you wrong, so stop spouting nonsense.

Second:

It does not take "a minute" to load a wheelchair into most Disney buses. I waited for 15mins just the other day in a full line - long enough for another disney bus between MGM and Epcot to arrive. The second bus filled completely loaded, to capacity, and left before the first was finished with the first of two wheelchairs it was loading.

People are being inconvienced, unneededly, so that Disney can save money. They need more buses and they need to run the special vans. They're just too cheap and everyone lets them get away with it with inaccurate notions of what the laws are and how people want to be treated.

There is nothing wrong with riding with your party in a special van from A to B, Disney should have enough vans to accomodate people. The reason for an unfair wait? Disney being cheap.

Don't blame other people, dont accuse them of being insensitive and cruel. Disney is cheap. That's the real problem. Place the blame firmly where it belongs.

Good post could not agree with you more. People love to quote the law with no idea of the actual law. Then on top of that they love to twist the op words and become down right rude towards them

 

[Philo]

I seriously think this is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.

I know (hope) that the AP isn't trying to introduce discrimination and that they are only looking at ways to enhange the transportation system but seriously, does it really annoy you that much if you need to wait 5 mins whilst someone is helped out (clearly, despite what you say, it annoys you a little else you wouldn't have started this thread under the pretence that your trying to improve things for others). Someone on these boards said that discrimination is a state of mind. By forcing wheelchair users to use a seperate system they are sending out a pretty stong message which will affect anyones state of mind. Perhaps that person already feels guilty about making you wait. Just think, how would you feel if you needed to hold up a ride whilst you were loaded. I'm guessing you would feel a little guilty because you are causing an inconvinience for others. I know that you shouldn't feel bad at all but I'm afraid thats human nature and its attitudes like "lets create a seperate xxxx" for these people that mean that this situation will never go away.

Appart from the moral arguments I'm sure that it just wouldn't be viable for WDW to run a seperate bus for wheelchair users. How would it work? Would they make people wait twice, three four times as long for a bus? Would they need to call for a special bus which would still take along time? All you are doing by setting up this kind of system is setting up a worse system for those in wheelchairs.

I'm very uncomfortable in crowds, especially when I can't just walk away from it (Disney probably isn't the best place for me with this but as long as I know I can go and find a more quiet area then I'm ok). Does this mean that I should be able to request a seperate bus? Fortunatly I'm not so bad that I really panic else I would need to rent a car. What about those with large families with lots of kids. They can be loud, take a while to load, use all the seats. Do you wan't them on a seperate bus so that you can enjoy your ride in comfort?

If anyone should get a seperate transport system it should be tour groups.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Can I just say that in the UK public service buses cater for the chair bound, and at no time does the driver have to leave his seat. They also run to a timetable and comply to as many (if not more) health & Safety regulations and rip off lawyers as Disney buses.

The buses are just badly designed and built.

 

[Monty]

Seriously, calling people with WC's less fortunate is far more offensive then anything i've said.

Really? And your psychic powers have allowed you to deduce exactly how offensive what you've said really is to every disabled person reading this thread, including myself?

Don't give yourself too much credit there, Merf! I think I'll decide for myself just how offensive I find your comments.

 

[minniemouseuk]

What irritates me most about the system of loading people with wheelchairs onto the bus first is when all their family also goes onto the bus first with them!

Fair enough, one person should go with whoever's in the wheelchair, but no more than that! The rest of the family should wait like the rest of us.

I'm not saying all families do this, but some do!

 

[Laura]

What irritates me most about the system of loading people with wheelchairs onto the bus first is when all their family also goes onto the bus first with them!

Fair enough, one person should go with whoever's in the wheelchair, but no more than that! The rest of the family should wait like the rest of us.

I'm not saying all families do this, but some do!

So if a lady is in a wheelchair, and she is allowed to bring 1 person with her to assist her (ok she can pick her husband) then the rest of the family should stay in the regular line (ok let's say the rest of her family consists of 4 young children under the age of 12). So 4 little kids are waiting in the line alone and then the bus fills up and they don't even end on the same bus as mom and dad. Makes no sense right?

Ok so if that won't work let's throw an age limit on there. No more than 1 person over the age of 18 can stay with the wheelchair person. So then you get another family with a mom, dad in a wheelchair, and 2 kids = ages 19 and 17. So mom, dad, and the 17 year old stay together while the 19 year old has to be off by himself.

Did you even think your suggestion through before making it? Apparently not.

 

[minniemouseuk]

So if a lady is in a wheelchair, and she is allowed to bring 1 person with her to assist her (ok she can pick her husband) then the rest of the family should stay in the regular line (ok let's say the rest of her family consists of 4 young children under the age of 12). So 4 little kids are waiting in the line alone and then the bus fills up and they don't even end on the same bus as mom and dad. Makes no sense right?

Ok so if that won't work let's throw an age limit on there. No more than 1 person over the age of 18 can stay with the wheelchair person. So then you get another family with a mom, dad in a wheelchair, and 2 kids = ages 19 and 17. So mom, dad, and the 17 year old stay together while the 19 year old has to be off by himself.

Did you even think your suggestion through before making it? Apparently not.

Er, yes I did, actually. Disagree with me, if that's what you want to do, but I don't think there's any need for

 

[DABIGCHEEZ]

Just needed another refill... Thanks Master Yoda!!!:sohappy:

 

[Master Yoda]

So who is up for some pie?

 

[DABIGCHEEZ]

Even better..... thanks Master Yoda!!!!!

 

[sublimesting]

Here's the 2 problems I have:

1. This has happened to me several times (which is alot considering I ride the bus only twice per day) each visit: I wait 25 minutes and at the last second a wheelchair shows up BUT, in tow is 30 friends and family and they take up the whole bus and away it goes. The big picture here is that Disney should really limit group sizes to say maybe 10-15 people may count as a group...this would help the brazilian problem also. It would be logistically hard to do I guess but they need some sort of solution to massive groups taking over rides and buses.

2. This goes along with problem #1: They don't wait their turn. Almost everytime a handicapped person gets on a bus they weren't in line the whole time they just show up at the last second and hop right on. Again I don't know what to do about this as they need to board first to ensure there is adequate room.

A possibility to both of these may be to have a ticketing system in line that the driver collects as people board. First of all it ensures that buses fill up so that buses don't drive off half full with no one standing as happens more than it should. It also ensures that if 45 people should fit on the bus and a handicapped person shows up #60 they will have to wait for the next bus but will be first in line for that bus. Also, if their whole group doesn't fit then so be it, no one else gets to ensure their whole group makes it onto a single bus.

 

[Laura]

Er, yes I did, actually. Disagree with me, if that's what you want to do, but I don't think there's any need for

I'm just annoyed is all. I get tired of hearing the "ideas" on this forum that families in wheelchairs should always have to be split up because it's so "unfair" that they get to stay together, on buses, in lines, or wherever. I don't care if I had 10 kids...if I was in a wheelchair I'd be awfully miserable if I couldn't be with every one of them throughout the trip because the non-handicapped were whining about what an inconvenience I was.

 

[Gucci65]

I saw my first and only fistfight at MGM over this very thing a few years ago. We were leaving MGM to go to Epcot and had been waiting about 30 mins for a bus (it was around 11am). Right before the bus pulls up, a man in a wheelchair and his huge family show up. Of course he gets put in the bus first and no one says a thing. It's when the 20 plus family members start to board the bus that all hell breaks loose. The bus driver sided with the people standing in the long line.

Long story, short version - man loaded onto bus with his wife. Security called in due to fist fight. Rest of family told to ride the next bus and meet up with man later.

It was pretty unbelievable.