Ella's Mommy
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Dare I say it? For the physically challenged...
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Krupknick
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Ok I use a ECV while at WDW go ahead give me a special bus or van for ECV's or wheel chairs then everyone else will get ed because those of us that are disabled get faster transportation around the parks....I would gladly trade places with someone who can walk if i were able to, it's not fun to go around on a set of wheels and be stared at and here the comments people make.
bryPOD
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To the OP...
(start of sarcasm)
You're absolutely right, it is unfair for you to have to wait in 100+ degree weather while some one in a wheel chair gets loaded onto a bus.
It's almost as unfair as being paralyzed from the waist down...
(end of sarcasm)
Maybe you should think before going on one of your mad rants. I'd gladly wait the extra 5-10 minutes (and do on a regular basis while using the bus system here in New York City, sometimes in 100 degree weather and sometimes in zero degree weather, imagine that) it takes to load some body with a physical impairment, and use that time to realize how lucky I am to be in good health.
You make me sick... Have a magical day
(start of sarcasm)
You're absolutely right, it is unfair for you to have to wait in 100+ degree weather while some one in a wheel chair gets loaded onto a bus.
It's almost as unfair as being paralyzed from the waist down...
(end of sarcasm)
Maybe you should think before going on one of your mad rants. I'd gladly wait the extra 5-10 minutes (and do on a regular basis while using the bus system here in New York City, sometimes in 100 degree weather and sometimes in zero degree weather, imagine that) it takes to load some body with a physical impairment, and use that time to realize how lucky I am to be in good health.
You make me sick... Have a magical day
Vernonpush
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Funny.:lol:
I am always amused at Park Closings when there are a multitude of disabled guests who whine when the bus has it's "quota of wheelchair spaces" and they have to wait like the rest of us (who've waited a good 45 more) for the next bus (even knowing that they WILL be on the next bus, as opposed to those of us who will sill wait for the 3rd or 4th bus).
"Oh well, it could be worse. It could be raining." (thunderclap and rain)- Young Frankenstein.:lol:
duck_daddy
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......and kick in the racism!:hammer: Someone mentions a group of people riding in separate transportation, and it's segregation all over again! Come on!
bhg469
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I was gonna glance over this thread but your post made me want to interject. The OP had no ill will towards the disabled people loading onto the bus. They were just merely saying that there has to be a better way of doing things and you're acting like he said to strap them on the roof to get out of his way. Reading comprehension is a weak subject for the internetz. I for one don't mind waiting in line and its no big deal to me.
Having said that....
Alas, another Einstein of the group. Read my post again please.. and if you need help sounding out every word slowly so you understand what you are reading, then by all means take your time. I was not personally complaining - you'll read that I have no problems with it. Geez.. why am I bothering....
Shere_Khan
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I understand the intention of your post. And in no way think you were trying to be discriminatory or mean-spirited.
I just think you had to have expected this type of reaction.
TinkerbellK
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You know what sucks? Life is not fair. sometimes you will have to wait in line more because a disabled person gets on a bus first. guess what, that disabled person will watch as you go on peter pan's flight, because the ride cannot be stopped and there is no wheelchair accessible vehicle. so life is not fair, and sadly sometimes you just deal with it!
Tell me about it! And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't segregation originally about people being separated where one party benefited and the other didn't? I mentioned the possibility of separate transportation to make things faster, more convenient, and most importantly, more respectful for those with physical disabilities. Both sides of the coin would win. If a guest was to watch a disabled person board their own bus to go to the Magic Kingdom, do you honestly believe the person in line would say "Boy I wish I needed a wheelchair so I could ride on that bus!"??? Give me a break.
TinkerbellK
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while perhaps you were more harsh than i would be, i agree with your idea. life is not fair. sometime you wait in a line a bit longer cause there is a person in a wheelchair being loaded. but the next time you go into the ladies/men's room and go into any stall, think about the person in the wheelchair who has to sit there and wait for the lady to get her three screaming kids to go potty (cause all four of them are in the handicapped stall!)... life isnt fair, but you just do the best you can!
duck_daddy
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I personally thought your post to be well thought out and well worded. You can't speak ill of any group of people anymore because there is someone from everyone of those groups listening just waiting to pounce and scream! Or you could have the PC hero who thinks good will towards people from all walks of life. "What about the muderers they have feelings too!" I see you have no problem with the "physically challenged" as people, just the situation at WDW. That you are not suggesting these people ride their little moto-scooters from park to park and back to their hotel at night for a battery change. However, we have a highly intellectual group of people here who, I'm sure, saw right through your hate driven post.:lol:
bhg469
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+1 i even brought back the drama llama
PS duck_daddy september 30th OMG I CANT WAIT!!!
TinkerbellK
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ok, to bring this thread back to debate instead of sniping... the reason why you cant have "separate but equal" is that one will inevitably be not as good. if the disabled transportation is better, then people will be faking or just plain demanding to get on, whether or not they need it. if the "normal" transportation is better, then you have discrimination. you may try to make them equal in the beginning but it never stays that way... so really disney just needs more buses and people need to learn to be patient!
duck_daddy
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Yeah I'm stoked, I loved the first season, it's going to be interesting to see how this season plays out!
mep517
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OP, I also don't think your post was hate-centered.
Is this such a problem that people have to be so angry about it? I agree that when it's hot and everyone is irritable, it's annoying for someone (anyone) to get in front of you in line, but I personally wouldn't let it ruin my Disney experience. What does that accomplish?
Is this such a problem that people have to be so angry about it? I agree that when it's hot and everyone is irritable, it's annoying for someone (anyone) to get in front of you in line, but I personally wouldn't let it ruin my Disney experience. What does that accomplish?
Okay, I wasn't going to get into this because I think people who complain about wheel chairs are rediculos, but I feel someone needs to stand up for the OP.
First of all, I didn't see anything in the OP that would suggest that they had a personal problem with wheel chairs, and those of you who read it differently need to go back and re-read. :hammer:
Also, I don't understand why people are seeing this as a discimination/seprate but equal issue. It isn't. I don't think it would be any different than having seperate doors, bathroom stalls, pay phones, water fountians, que lines, etc. etc. that can accomidate people who are using wheel chairs or scooters.
Like I said in my earlier post, the major city I live in (and I'm sure it is not the only one), has seperate public transpertaion avalible for people who are handicap and need vechiles that are more accessable to them than city buses. If major cities can do it, why can't Disney? I can see that there would be issues with such a system for various technical reasons. However, on its face, as a sher hypotetical solution to a problem, I don't understand the knee jerk reactions against it.
IMHO of course. :lookaroun
First of all, I didn't see anything in the OP that would suggest that they had a personal problem with wheel chairs, and those of you who read it differently need to go back and re-read. :hammer:
Also, I don't understand why people are seeing this as a discimination/seprate but equal issue. It isn't. I don't think it would be any different than having seperate doors, bathroom stalls, pay phones, water fountians, que lines, etc. etc. that can accomidate people who are using wheel chairs or scooters.
Like I said in my earlier post, the major city I live in (and I'm sure it is not the only one), has seperate public transpertaion avalible for people who are handicap and need vechiles that are more accessable to them than city buses. If major cities can do it, why can't Disney? I can see that there would be issues with such a system for various technical reasons. However, on its face, as a sher hypotetical solution to a problem, I don't understand the knee jerk reactions against it.
IMHO of course. :lookaroun
bryPOD
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Sorry, it was a burst of anger in a sensitive issue in my life is all. I do stand by what I said, but realize now that YOU were not complaining about standing in the heat, rather situations that arise from people that DO get impatient. However, there really is no need to attack my intelligence level without ever having an intelligent conversation with me (if you would like to, please feel free, I'd wager you'd be mighty surprised at how much knowledge is stored in the old noggin). I did go back and read your post once more and here's what I have to say...
Buses for only the handicapped, physically challenged, etc:
1.) Would increase your bus wait time at any given stop because now there are buses who can only take handicapped, thus making you wait 10 minutes for your bus to be able to get into the stop because this "Handicapped Only" bus has taken over the stop...
2.) Will cause more fights because now because those people you were talking about who were waiting in line see a bus role up to their stop and get told "Sorry folks, this here bus is for wheel chairs only"
3.) Would call attention to people who generally don't want people to fuss over them ( I know a few handicapped people who absolutely hate it when they get special treatment for being stuck in a chair).
4.) Park prices would some how increase from this (I didn't really think of a reason for this, but it is Disney, they will raise the park admissions because of this)
That's all I could think of as constructive criticism....
No hard feelings mate.
WDWFigment
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Holding from Brown: "Despite the equalization of the schools by 'objective' factors, intangible issues foster and maintain inequality. Racial segregation in public education has a detrimental effect on minority children because it is interpreted as a sign of inferiority. The long-held doctrine that separate facilities were permissible provided they were equal was rejected. Separate but equal is inherently unequal in the context of public education. The unanimous opinion sounded the death-knell for all forms of state-maintained racial separation."
Just apply the rule of law established there to the current situation and I think you'll see why it wouldn't fly, legally.
Did either of you two watch Six Feet Under? Michael C. Hall was awesome in that. In fact, I have been half tempted to watch Dexter solely because of his previous performance in SFU, but unfortunately, time does not allow for me to get 'hooked' on another TV show right now.
bryPOD
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I was gonna glance over this thread but your post made me want to interject. The OP had no ill will towards the disabled people loading onto the bus. They were just merely saying that there has to be a better way of doing things and you're acting like he said to strap them on the roof to get out of his way. Reading comprehension is a weak subject for the internetz. I for one don't mind waiting in line and its no big deal to me.
Having said that....
By the way, I will give props to ANYONE who can make a good joke toward some one, and the Drama Llama is hilarious, well done.
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