Californian Elitist
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Okay. That’s fair.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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There’s no “fight”…
It isn’t the point of coming here.
The “point” is that the Walt Disney company is an international conglomerate that is publicly traded in the United States. They care not for you…nor ever will.
Our job as consumers is not to promote them or help them stray off course…it’s to hold them accountable for bad decisions and partake of good ones. Symbiosis. Econ 101.
That is not diametrically opposed to enjoying Disney…it goes hand and hand for the longterm. We can enjoy the parks and movies and products. But we don’t and shouldn’t have to swear allegiance to them.
It’s product…not a way of life. My naive belief is that every human over 14 understands this deep down.
The Pom Pom quips are hollow…not really a mystery. So we don’t have to laud D23 just because they have it. Clutch your lanyard and your mouse ears and take control of yourself. I look for the good…not the misdirection. Are they doing a new haunted mansion movie? I would think that’s a positive…so that’s good, right?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The remakes are creatively bankrupt…if chapek wishes to “stand on his own”…a good first move would be to pivot away from them.
This all “started” with malificent…which was ingenious…
These things are not. They’re cynical.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…the design is the “magic” and always has been (if you can interpret that nonsense term close to reality)
It’s the crowd flow, the distribution, the layout, perspective, the engineering an design that Always made them stand out. Not fuzzy animals, parades and fireworks…
…so “I agree” that they are missing out on documenting that more.
The parks series is the best docu they’ve done on D23 yet…well ILM is right there too…
Even if they downplay Eisner a little and promote Iger…which is backwards and intellectually dishonest.
UNCgolf
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That still screams "sidekick" to me. It doesn't necessarily have to be Dreamfinder, but I think Figment on his own doesn't work -- it's partially why his appearance in the current Imagination ride is so bad.
Dan Deesnee
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think figment as a sidekick to a classic “crazy inventor” type character works…
Like a Mr. Magoo…Dr. Doolittle…or Lemony Snicket type of feel…
You would just have to have some INTELLIGENT write a show/movie based on it…
And Disney seem “low” in talent these days
Sir_Cliff
Well-Known Member
I see what you mean, and even the wide-eyed child aspect of his character works better with some sort of guide through whatever he's experiencing or learning about.
That dynamic, though, could have worked between Figment and Dr. Nigel Channing. The reason I don't think it does work in the current ride is that they've just made him a hyperactive, annoying brat who doesn't listen to anything Dr Nigel Channing says and goes out of his way to mess everything up.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
If it was a one off…
…this is like 18 in ten years
The horse may not be “dead”…but it’s on life support
Californian Elitist
Well-Known Member
I haven’t seen hell. I’ve seen nothing but positive comments, besides from a few folks here.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Oh…it will come…as you well know. The vocal complainers over take all the positive juju…
Except for top gun…which is a truly bizarre/weird outlier
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Easy bet. They played the entire scene at D23 for the attendees. I’m about 90% sure because that last line of the song stood out to me, but I wasn’t actively listening for riffing.
Although it’s more my memory versus your confidence.
BrianLo
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The entire thing is amazing. Nothing fancy, just her and the camera. No silly sight gags or characters. Long form shots, absolutely nailing the song.
As she reaches the pinnacle hole up top, the entire background fades. Just her and the camera for a verse and the background resolidifies with her now having floated all the way back down to be shown seated.
Sir_Cliff
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I'm trying to decide whether I'm interested in this one. I'll be honest and say that I've only seen the Beauty & the Beast and (godawful) Dumbo remakes because they really don't appeal to me. But, they are a license to print money and seem to be instantly forgotten in favour of the original versions so I understand why they make them and don't really care as I don't have to see them.
The lead actress in this version looks good in the role to me, though, and is at least a singer. The casting of non-singers in Beauty & the Beast was one of the things that really grated on me about that film compared to the pure talent on the original soundtrack. Also interested to see what Alan Menken and Lin Manuel Miranda come up with. So, this is probably the first remake in a while I am kind of interested to see!
ToTBellHop
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I’m super excited for TLM…Halle looks fantastic. And Daveed should be fabulous as Sebastian!
Kids have been asking about Pinocchio, so I guess I’ll suffer through that today…
Kids have been asking about Pinocchio, so I guess I’ll suffer through that today…
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Save praise or criticism until you SEE it.
That’s not the same as judging the decisions to make these things and how they go about it. That’s a business analysis and longterm goals of the Disney company
That’s not the same as judging the decisions to make these things and how they go about it. That’s a business analysis and longterm goals of the Disney company
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I actually like dumbo…but I’m an Eva green fan…
I thought beauty and the beast was terrible…and Aladdin…offered NOTHING different to me.
The jungle book was a
Mess to me too…but at least favreau tried
Very good advice. I used to automatically dismiss…but I learned. Save praise or criticism until you SEE it.
That’s not the same as judging the decisions to make these things and how they go about it. That’s a business analysis and longterm goals of the Disney company
Sorry to hear about Pinocchio… I had hopes
Original Pinocchio is tops in my book. That and Lady and The Tramp were childhood favorites. So I was expecting so much.
It's just... different and I have trouble not comparing it to the original. I didn't hate it like others did though.
I can't, there's a cat in it.
kevlightyear
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I thought Halle sounded great in the teaser. And the visuals look fantastic.
But since they're going to all the trouble to remake The Little Mermaid, here's hoping they fix some of the story issues with the original. Malcolm Gladwell did a three-episode series on his Revisionist History podcast about the failings in the plot. Worth a listen if you have some time. Here's part one: https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/little-mermaid-part-1-the-golden-contract.
But since they're going to all the trouble to remake The Little Mermaid, here's hoping they fix some of the story issues with the original. Malcolm Gladwell did a three-episode series on his Revisionist History podcast about the failings in the plot. Worth a listen if you have some time. Here's part one: https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/little-mermaid-part-1-the-golden-contract.