D23 about to begin. Go on the record with your predictions here.

EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

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EpcotServo said:
Then I'll answer, if that is truly the case.



How the heck is it the same ride?

It's the same ride system, the same ride layout, and the same premise. (Research Submarine encountering vignettes of undersea life) Only thing added was a story involving undersea characters passing through these same scenes. The scenes are different yes, but there are countless that are the same, if not expanded upon. Such as the Graveyard of Lost Ships, The Reefs, The Dark Abyss, and the Undersea Volcano. Only Atlantis and the polar ice caps are gone. (And at least they pay tribute to Atlantis in one of the large opening scenes.)

When you say longer you are insinuating that they added more trakc or something all it is is that the vehicles move slightly slower.

No, I state longer because the ride time is longer, by at least two minutes thanks to longer show scenes.

The storyline is a watered down version of the films story just like the epcot ride

I'll give you that, but it still doesn't interfere with the base ride it's always been. (Passing through undersea vignettes along the lines of Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, and Pirates)

If anything it's perfect because while getting you involved in the characters plights, while not interfering or getting too involved with the experience of passing through different scenes in Liquid Space.

"improved effects and sound?" sound maybe but effects? They took out all the set pieces and replaced them with vidoe screens it looks like someone flooded a best buy full of water and sent a submarine in there. Plus there are enormous chunks of the ride that are just pure darkness where there used to be scenes. Its BS.

Yeah right. Being intimately familiar with every rock and fish in both of the Submarine Voyage attractions (Being my favorite type of Disney Attraction) and scrutinizing every detail on each of my seven rides on it, I say with no hesitation that the show sets are infinitely superior in the new attraction. The crafting involved in the many layers of sets that are integrated with glass and scrim layers. (There are no "Video Screens" only layers in the set which are transparent and being projected on.) The blending of Wet and Dry scenes are amazing, and a lot more effects than the previous incarnation, which featured practically no effects other than lighting and air.

Was the old Submarine Voyages better?
I think so too.

Is the new one "BS"?
Heck no. Apart from being a darn good show, it's also a massive achievement to save this ride (An achievement of which I spent most of my life wishing to come true.) and will carry out the spirit of adventures through liquid space for generations to come thankfully.
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You fight the good fight, Servo.:lol:
 
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peterpanic74

peterpanic74

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EpcotServo said:
Then I'll answer, if that is truly the case.



How the heck is it the same ride?

It's the same ride system, the same ride layout, and the same premise. (Research Submarine encountering vignettes of undersea life) Only thing added was a story involving undersea characters passing through these same scenes. The scenes are different yes, but there are countless that are the same, if not expanded upon. Such as the Graveyard of Lost Ships, The Reefs, The Dark Abyss, and the Undersea Volcano. Only Atlantis and the polar ice caps are gone. (And at least they pay tribute to Atlantis in one of the large opening scenes.)

When you say longer you are insinuating that they added more trakc or something all it is is that the vehicles move slightly slower.

No, I state longer because the ride time is longer, by at least two minutes thanks to longer show scenes.

The storyline is a watered down version of the films story just like the epcot ride

I'll give you that, but it still doesn't interfere with the base ride it's always been. (Passing through undersea vignettes along the lines of Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, and Pirates)

If anything it's perfect because while getting you involved in the characters plights, while not interfering or getting too involved with the experience of passing through different scenes in Liquid Space.

"improved effects and sound?" sound maybe but effects? They took out all the set pieces and replaced them with vidoe screens it looks like someone flooded a best buy full of water and sent a submarine in there. Plus there are enormous chunks of the ride that are just pure darkness where there used to be scenes. Its BS.

Yeah right. Being intimately familiar with every rock and fish in both of the Submarine Voyage attractions (Being my favorite type of Disney Attraction) and scrutinizing every detail on each of my seven rides on it, I say with no hesitation that the show sets are infinitely superior in the new attraction. The crafting involved in the many layers of sets that are integrated with glass and scrim layers. (There are no "Video Screens" only layers in the set which are transparent and being projected on.) The blending of Wet and Dry scenes are amazing, and a lot more effects than the previous incarnation, which featured practically no effects other than lighting and air.

Was the old Submarine Voyages better?
I think so too.

Is the new one "BS"?
Heck no. Apart from being a darn good show, it's also a massive achievement to save this ride (An achievement of which I spent most of my life wishing to come true.) and will carry out the spirit of adventures through liquid space for generations to come thankfully.
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Excellent post! I heartily agree, on all points. Great attraction! :D
 
tomman710

tomman710

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The Conundrum said:
But anyway getting back to my point there have been no real E rides in the 2000s in America. Japan got Monsters Inc. e-ticket, Winnie the Pooh E-ticket, TDS which is filled to the brem with E's but nope not good ol'US of A.
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Everest is an E Ticket, period. It really isn't even up for debate. To think it anything less is borderline delusional. True, the AA does not work has they had hoped but that doesn't change the overall ride, effects, themeing, story, scale, queue, etc. to the point where it would be downgraded to anything lower than an E.

Now Soarin' I will listen to arguments on.
 
Festivus

Festivus

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I am a far cry from being an "insider", but my 2 cents is that all of the various projects will be announced (ST2.0, LM, FL, Soarin', Pixar Place attraction, etc.) However, I don't think they will ALL be announced this year. I think over the next few years you'll see announcements trickle out at future D23's.
 
EpcotServo

EpcotServo

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EPCOT Explorer said:
You fight the good fight, Servo.:lol:
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I live my life free of comprise. It's my only way of combating the intolerance and ignorance some people in this country seem to defend themselves with against quality or different ways of thinking. Disrespect is now one of our most patriotic duties it seems, what with the rate people are absolutely losing their minds.

I'm a product of Subculture and thinking from a very different place and time.

:lol: :brick:
 
tomman710

tomman710

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I forgot my predictions:

Star Tours 2.0 - This is a definite for WDW/DL, pretty much confirmed by Lucas, LA Times, and Jason Surrell's About the Author section in the new book. Done deal.

Fantasyland Refurb/Little Mermaid - I think the Little Mermaid is almost a definite, in fact I would be shocked if it was not announced. As for Fantasyland I think it is running 60/40 but I have a good feeling it will get announced. I think the signs we have that this is coming is that Universal organized that press conference on Monday because they feared something big coming.

Monster's Inc. Coaster - I think most of the insiders have said that with the FL/LM plans it killed this for the time being so I am not expecting this.

Soarin' Over The World - I think this is almost another definite because it's an easy change, just a new film. The ride is fairly new and it won't change the queue or ride mechanics, so it seems like an easy and cheap way to add something new.

Imagination Refurb/New DAK Land - I just don't seem them doing anything else on top of those other things but I do think a new DAK Land will be in the works soon but not in the next 2-3 years ... just a hunch.

I do think there will be a surprise or two that none of us were expecting. I think there has to be because an event of this magnitude, combined with the economy, and WWoHP publicity ... is just seems like they would make the most of this stage and really do something to show the world, the fans, and Universal that they are still top dog. Of course that could just be blind optimism.
 
SirGoofy

SirGoofy

Member
tomman710 said:
Everest is an E Ticket, period. It really isn't even up for debate. To think it anything less is borderline delusional. True, the AA does not work has they had hoped but that doesn't change the overall ride, effects, themeing, story, scale, queue, etc. to the point where it would be downgraded to anything lower than an E.

Now Soarin' I will listen to arguments on.
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I can argue why EE could possibly not be an E. And easily, IMO

Effects
In all honesty, I have to ask, what effects? The Yeti AA is as impressive as they come, but other than him what is there? A little steam and a projection?

Themeing
The queue is one of the best there is, no doubt, but past that, the ride portion really falls flat on it's face in this category. Again, what is there on the ride path? The temple is cool, and the broken track is as well, and then it's dark cave after dark cave. *Yawn*

Story
EE's story is good, but it's presented in a fairly mediocre way.

Scale
The scale is good, and probably the only thing that saves EE from being a D+
 
njDizFan

njDizFan

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judging just by popularity on our WDWMagic poll: it was number 3

behing HM and ToT

don't know if that makes it a true E, but people love it.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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tomman710 said:
I forgot my predictions:

Soarin' Over The World - I think this is almost another definite because it's an easy change, just a new film. The ride is fairly new and it won't change the queue or ride mechanics, so it seems like an easy and cheap way to add something new.

Imagination Refurb/New DAK Land - I just don't seem them doing anything else on top of those other things but I do think a new DAK Land will be in the works soon but not in the next 2-3 years ... just a hunch.
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I don't think these will be annouced because I don't think either will happen before 2012.

SirGoofy said:
I can argue why EE could possibly not be an E. And easily, IMO

Effects
In all honesty, I have to ask, what effects? The Yeti AA is as impressive as they come, but other than him what is there? A little steam and a projection?

Themeing
The queue is one of the best there is, no doubt, but past that, the ride portion really falls flat on it's face in this category. Again, what is there on the ride path? The temple is cool, and the broken track is as well, and then it's dark cave after dark cave. *Yawn*

Story
EE's story is good, but it's presented in a fairly mediocre way.

Scale
The scale is good, and probably the only thing that saves EE from being a D+
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SirGoofy said:
I mean it's a good ride, but I don't think it would break my top 10.
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What is your top 10? You've been playing the role of cynic lately so I'm curious.
 
SirGoofy

SirGoofy

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RSoxNo1 said:
What is your top 10? You've been playing the role of cynic lately so I'm curious.
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Haunted Mansion
Jungle Cruise
Tower of Terror
Muppet Vision
American Adventure
Kilimanjaro Safaris
Big Thunder Mountain
Splash Mountain
Living with the Land(Yes, I'm serious:lol:)
Great Movie Ride

:wave:
 
_Scar

_Scar

Active Member
SirGoofy said:
I can argue why EE could possibly not be an E. And easily, IMO

Effects
In all honesty, I have to ask, what effects? The Yeti AA is as impressive as they come, but other than him what is there? A little steam and a projection?

Themeing
The queue is one of the best there is, no doubt, but past that, the ride portion really falls flat on it's face in this category. Again, what is there on the ride path? The temple is cool, and the broken track is as well, and then it's dark cave after dark cave. *Yawn*

Story
EE's story is good, but it's presented in a fairly mediocre way.

Scale
The scale is good, and probably the only thing that saves EE from being a D+
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Yeti AA still gives me goosebumps and I feel like he is going to touch me every ride (or is it a she?)


There doesn't need to be great themeing when you're in the dark! The mountain is breath taking and beyond the drop is pure thrill. No time to look at much! What do you expect?


The story is simple and basic. You go through a museum with yeti artifacts, yeti tears track up, sends you backwards, sends you forwards, almost swipes you. The end.


Scale is good, and this ride wouldn't work without this scale... so saying it would be a d ticket is kinda worthless since, well, there would be no ride.


To me, this ride does not even appear near the boarder of D and E. Maybe E and F...
 
SirGoofy

SirGoofy

Member
_Scar said:
There doesn't need to be great themeing when you're in the dark! The mountain is breath taking and beyond the drop is pure thrill. No time to look at much! What do you expect?
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Really? Because you go through mountain tunnels in BTMRR, and there are plenty of things to look at.


_Scar said:
The story is simple and basic. You go through a museum with yeti artifacts, yeti tears track up, sends you backwards, sends you forwards, almost swipes you. The end.
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And that's where you're wrong. I'm not going to flesh out the story, because this isn't the place.

_Scar said:
To me, this ride does not even appear near the boarder of D and E. Maybe E and F...
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The level of detail on EE isn't even close to rides like HM, JC, ToT, etc.

I'm not going to debate you here. Make a thread in general discussion and I'll be happy to debate this further.
 

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