My recollections are the same as his, and yes, I lived in Orlando for many years in the 70's and 80's. I was 20 when I first visited MK, not a young child like most here, so I have no jaded memories of how it used to be.
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ToTBellHop
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Ok so people who were young in the 70s and 80s wore rose-colored glasses and cannot judge Disney. Adults in the 70s and 80s have dementia and cannot judge.
Let's compare 2016 to 1996. Plenty of us are qualified to remember 20 years back and notice declines in quality.
Let's compare 2016 to 1996. Plenty of us are qualified to remember 20 years back and notice declines in quality.
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Heck, I notice a difference from only 10 years ago but since I was 13 I guess that doesn't count somehow
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
I notice change over 5 years ago but I was only 27 so my mind was still warped by the hormones of adolescence of course. My only lucid memories that count are from the last three days apparently.Heck, I notice a difference from only 10 years ago but since I was 13 I guess that doesn't count somehow
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
I have noticed an overall improvement in the last 5 years.
I know...shocking...
Hmm, so your observations are more important and accurate than ours, even though I've been going to WDW for almost 40 years. Gotcha'.
networkpro
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
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Ideas, perceptions, society, and behavior change over the years and so has Disney World since I first stepped foot in in in 1972 when I stayed in the north Garden wing of the Contemporary with my Grandparents. Your snapshot in time of your ideal Disneyworld experience will not coincide with mine. If you dont like the current Disneyworld experience no one is forcing you to go there, spend any money there or even talk about how much your expectations are not being met. there are many other venues ready to take your money.
Bocabear
Well-Known Member
Some things have improved, but in general eveything has been in decline...the improvements over the poast 5 years that you have seen, have only been little things improving what was already ruined by the previous 10 years of neglect and decline...
I remember being at Disney World back in the 70s waiting for the train in Frontierland ( the old station)... Somone in line through a drink cup out onto the grass area next to the queue...the collective crowd in line audibly gasped... people started saying loudly...pick it up! ...then a visibly embarrassed woman emerged from the crowd and picked the cup up to a hand of applause by all in line... People were amazed by the general cleanliness and quality of the parks back then and were more apt to be respectful...the more decline, the less respect the public gives...
DVCOwner
A Long Time DVC Member
My first trip to Walt Disney World was in 1975 while I was in college. I have seen high points and low points though out the years. Here is what I have to say on the subject. I have to agree that Disney did a poor job in keeping Walt Disney World up to date from 2000 to 2015. The company was putting money into other projects and did not give Walt Disney World the love and care in needed. In that I agree with many of the people that post on this web. Now I see improvements and new construction all around Walt Disney World. The problem I see is that those same people continue to post only the negative, look for any little problem they can find and act like nothing positive is happening.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
Nope. People in that period were all preoccupied with tight-rolling their jeans and the Y2K bug to REALLY see the parks for what they were.
Clearly the only option is to recall how they've been the past 5 years and accept the fact that that's the way it's always been. Any other memory or viewpoint is wrong.
Except there used to be this giant hand with a wand above SSE. It told you what park you were at. That was awesome.
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ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Far too little FAR too late, The next recession will probably force Disney to close DHS, Whats needed is new management IF Disney needed to implement massive guest facing cuts during record attendance, Just imagine what will happen with a prolonged decline in admissions, Disney has used WDW as an ATM well now that account is tapped out. WDW needs 5-10 billion in investment over the next 2-5 years not 3.5 Billon over a decade.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Heck lets just go for 2011-2016 plenty of decline there as much of the degradation of quality and experience was during that time period.
DVCOwner
A Long Time DVC Member
Close Disney Hollywood Studios? The investment in Star Wars Land alone is going to rocket attendance at Disney Hollywood Studios. I think that the biggest problem Disney is going to face with Disney Hollywood Studios is how to handle the crowds until Star Wars Phase II opens.
CircusPeanuts
Active Member
This is a parody account, right? I mean that is the only logical explanation for someone actually thinking that DHS would be closed.... LOL. Dude... take a big breath and step away from WDW for a while. I think you are past the point of looking rationally at anything to do with WDW.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
I always get a chuckle when those who go on about how this or that is not important and isn't really noticeable want be the deferred to for observations. You can't be unaware and highly observant.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Obviously you know squat about running a large business and even less about Disney, Disney happily abandoned River Country they even left the lights and sound running in places where it would cost 'too much' to shut them off. and abandoned 'Pop Century The Legendary Years' for a decade after 9/11.
DHS is the park with the smallest visitor count and it needs major reconstruction if Disney needed to save a few hundred million in OPEX at WDW DHS is the logiical place to do so. From a cost accounting standpoint whats the downside of closing DHS it only has a few million in new investment
As for StarWars Disney has DL where construction has actually STARTED, Not like WDW where only demolition has taken place.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
In 2020-2021 perhaps, Wall St does not CARE about 4-5 years down the road they care about the next 90-180 DAYS and shaving a few hundred million in OPEX is going to make the balance sheet and income statement look better IMMEDIATELY not 4-5 years from now and it does not COST anything to do so.
You don't seem to get the concept that Iger and Co have been running TWDC to please Wall St rather than please the guests.
When you start looking at what short term moves will please Wall St. Only then will you understand my point of view.
asianway
Well-Known Member
Demo is still taking place, they, per usual are taking their sweet time.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Of course costs too much otherwise, Up here where some developer is trying to build a SODOSOPA (yes it DOES have a Whole Foods), Demolished a mall with a 6 story Macy's in about two weeks all that is left is piles of crushed rock and recycled concrete and pavement. Waiting for the financing which will never come ...
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Agree.. the investment alone in DAK and DHS will make it dumb to even close them. They would probably sold other assets (like overseas parks) before they remove their improved US cash cows.