Creepy New Survey Question....

[G00fyDad]

It goes way beyond that and you know it. As @PhotoDave219 stated, personal info and data are a commodity. If they want it, fine, but not at the expense of rising prices and cutbacks. They can compensate us with better service and prices, not the opposite.

Nitpicking. They were going to raise prices anyway. Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustrations. But too many here are getting amped up into a tin foil hat frenzy over data collection. Again, I get where you're coming from. Equal recompense for data collected. But, at the end of the day is it really worth getting riled up over when there are so many other things to truly be upset about?

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Everyones cool with it till it starts costing them money. And no one data mines for free.

 

[PhotoDave219]

This isn't creepy at all. While we're at it, let's burn our cell phones, our gps devices, our ezpass car toll payers, our computers, our televisions.... You're being tracked everyday. Go off the grid if you have a problem. Don't go to Disney. Don't go anywhere or use any sort of technology. Go away.

Well someone just made the ignore list.

Disappear! Disappear! Back, back, over the falls!

 

[PhotoDave219]

Nitpicking. They were going to raise prices anyway. Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustrations. But too many here are getting amped up into a tin foil hat frenzy over data collection. Again, I get where you're coming from. Equal recompense for data collected. But, at the end of the day is it really worth getting riled up over when there are so many other things to truly be upset about?

Yes. I expect a certain amount of privacy in this world and this crosses the line.

I use ad blockers, VPNs and other blockers on my computer and phone to try and keep my privacy. I turn the GPS features off.

I shouldn't have to worry about what I do being tracked while on vacation.

 

[G00fyDad]

Yes. I expect a certain amount of privacy in this world and this crosses the line.

You're being a bit extreme.

I use ad blockers, VPNs and other blockers on my computer and phone to try and keep my privacy. I turn the GPS features off.

And you really think that is keeping you from being datamined and tracked? Really??

I shouldn't have to worry about what I do being tracked while on vacation.

You make it sound they they are on the hunt and looking to make you into dinner. As a company they are more than able (and should be) to track your purchases to make their bottom line better. Even if that does not translate directly into your pocket. I see this argument all the time when someone loses their mind at their privacy being violated. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You own a cell phone? You're being tracked. You own a home? You're being tracked. You buy food? You're being tracked. You cannot live in the world we live in today and expect total privacy. The only way you're getting that is to live in a shack in the middle of nowhere and hope the government doesn't find out you're living on the land for free.

The government is free to track me, spy on me, etc. You know why? Because I am not doing anything wrong. My privacy is not that precious. If I was that worried about it then I'd never leave my house.

 

[ford91exploder]

#1, I've never really cared why Disney wants to track my data. I personally do not care what information they store from me. I have just always liked the idea of the MB for the basics like park entry, photo syncing, etc.

#2, Why does it matter to you why Disney wants this info? (Not being snarky. Just genuinely curious.) Even if they never do anything positive, or at least anything that will help you as a guest, why not allow Disney to collect data?

One of my friends refuses to allow his family to wear the MB at Disney. He makes them all leave them off their wrists and (No, I am not kidding here) wraps them all in tin foil until they are needed for FP or park entry. I know... stupid. But of course he also thinks the government is in tanks coming down the street for his guns (WAY too many for one person btw) and he thinks that the goverment is listening to us in our homes. Yes, all of us.... at the same time.

Obviously you've missed the news about a gentleman named Edward Snowden where the USG has been documented as recording all phone calls for later playback etc, ad nauseous, As to confiscation of firearms well that happened during Katrina in New Orleans completely illegally but the firearms owners DID NOT get them back even after repeated court rulings insisting that the City return the firearms to their owners. A armed person is a Citizen a unarmed person is a slave not hard to tell which the average government prefers.
and if you really don't want to sleep at night take a peek at Executive Order 13603 which authorizes the forcible relocation of US Citizens to labor camps of the Secretary of Defense's choosing in the event of a declared 'national emergency'.

I volunteer for county and state emergency management duty and there is even scarier stuff than that in the laws

These days it seems that we live in an upside down world where the normal we grew up living and believing in is insane and what used to be considered insane is the 'new' normal. It seems we are heading for a Blade Runner dystopia instead of the 'Big Bright Beautiful Tomorrow' Disney envisioned.

 

[ford91exploder]

While in many ways it has become harder to function in society and protect personal information, I'm surprised how many people defend companies tracking guests. When I had to file for my husband's green card, our government "lost" our documents twice--birth certs, marriage certs, etc. Not only did it cost us $$ to keep resending info, I could never get a straight answer as to who might "find" our documents. So in short, I think there is a level of creep here.

Don't worry your documents have been sold to some illegal immigrant or middle eastern terror group wait till your husband winds up on the 'no fly list' because of it, How do I know well in my state there was a huge scandal about just this kind of thing happening, People getting hired and HR 'losing' passports and birth certificates. Did not stop till an undercover fed wanted to buy 'documentation' and get a drivers license.

 

[Jon81uk]

The only way to stop the sort of "file" that this survey refers to would be to book every Disney hotel stay and every restaurant booking under a different name.
I would be pretty certain any information they would cross reference with this survey would not include "location" information from MagicBands.
I expect they have always tried to build a database of each guest, which hotel you stay in and how frequently. Most hotels probably do, I expect Hilton know if you go to Boston once a year or that you prefer suite level rooms etc. I don't see this as a new thing at all.

 

[BiffyClyro]

I simply do not accept a justification for that as "its just business."

Long-time readers of my crap know that I simply don't accept that rational as a lack of ethical behavior by businesses.

I'm not defending it, i'm just saying don't loose sleep over it. Like I said, it's lame but literally every company do it. Clubcards from super markets/ points cards, cellphones, your internet service right now.... all tracking your , analysing it and personalising it. It sucks big time, but no is trying to harm you or even gives a crap if you ate 3000 calories that day or whatever.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Well, You what they say....

 

[ford91exploder]

I'm not defending it, i'm just saying don't loose sleep over it. Like I said, it's lame but literally every company do it. Clubcards from super markets/ points cards, cellphones, your internet service right now.... all tracking your ****, analysing it and personalising it. It sucks big time, but no is trying to harm you or even gives a crap if you ate 3000 calories that day or whatever.

Once the data exists it can be resold, Do you REALLY want your heath insurer to have a detailed accounting of what you ate during your vacation... And then extrapolating your 'normal' diet from that.

 

[BiffyClyro]

Once the data exists it can be resold, Do you REALLY want your heath insurer to have a detailed accounting of what you ate during your vacation... And then extrapolating your 'normal' diet from that.

They sell info in bulk to advertisers, not health insurers trying to catch you out. Like they would have time to link the informtion back to you anyway. Legally they can't do that. Common sense.

Take a chill pill, don't worry, your health insurer won't find out.

 

[Matt_Black]

They sell info in bulk to advertisers, not health insurers trying to catch you out. Like they would have time to link the informtion back to you anyway. Legally they can't do that. Common sense.

Take a chill pill, don't worry, your health insurer won't find out.

Your health insurer is more likely to find out what you eat from the food pics you post on Instagram than Disney giving them the info.

 

[BiffyClyro]

Your health insurer is more likely to find out what you eat from the food pics you post on Instagram than Disney giving them the info.

HashtagBluecrossPaidForThisHeartAttack

 

[PhotoDave219]

I'm not defending it, i'm just saying don't loose sleep over it. Like I said, it's lame but literally every company do it. Clubcards from super markets/ points cards, cellphones, your internet service right now.... all tracking your ****, analysing it and personalising it. It sucks big time, but no is trying to harm you or even gives a crap if you ate 3000 calories that day or whatever.

I don't participate in those club things and do my best to disconnect from everything that tracks me.

 

[BiffyClyro]

I don't participate in those club things and do my best to disconnect from everything that tracks me.

Ok, enjoy your new life in the Amish country.

 

[ford91exploder]

They sell info in bulk to advertisers, not health insurers trying to catch you out. Like they would have time to link the informtion back to you anyway. Legally they can't do that. Common sense.

Take a chill pill, don't worry, your health insurer won't find out.

Legally Disney CAN sell data on specific customers, It says so right there in the terms and conditions.

 

[ford91exploder]

I don't participate in those club things and do my best to disconnect from everything that tracks me.

There is a really GOOD reason to avoid those things as this Washington State Firefighter found out back in 2005

http://blog.privacylawyer.ca/2005/01/loyalty-card-almost-leads-to-wrongful.html

Short version the police were trolling for everyone who bought Charcoal Lighter Fluid on a certain day. So the mere fact of buying a common charcoal barbecue item immediately made you a suspect in a criminal investigation. And of course we all know all Firefighters are closet arsonists so. Lighter Fluid+Firefighter CASE CLOSED.

 

[BiffyClyro]

Legally Disney CAN sell data on specific customers, It says so right there in the terms and conditions.

Totally, but your health insurers aren't going to go and get info and use it against you. They can't, would be too expensive. Just chill is what i'm saying. Don't live in fear haha.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Your health insurer is more likely to find out what you eat from the food pics you post on Instagram than Disney giving them the info.

Hey, I only post photos of cheesesteaks!