Covid Vaccine Updates and General Discussion About Vaccines

[MrHappy]

JnJ is also likely to be done with their 100M by the end of May and assuming Moderna is evenly split by month they should be at 166M end of May and Pfizer at full 200M so it looks like we should have enough doses for 283M people by the end of May. There are only 280M Americans 12 and over so in theory enough doses for every person who is eligible in America. Assuming some people don’t want the vaccine we should have a surplus by then. Assuming younger kids are approved later in the year we will probably hold back 100M doses for them from the additional 100M doses each coming from Pfizer and Moderna in Q3.

What I’m digging for is your projection of vaccinated Americans by April 30th. Selfishly, I check in the Jambo in April 29

 

[Lilofan]

What I’m digging for is your projection of vaccinated Americans by April 30th. Selfishly, I check in the Jambo in April 29

Jambo at DAK is not the same to me without the good buffets open for breakfast and dinner - Boma.

 

[MrHappy]

Jambo at DAK is not the same to me without one the good buffets open for breakfast and dinner - Boma.

I’m at least hoping for The Mara to be back fully.

 

[GoofGoof]

What I’m digging for is your projection of vaccinated Americans by April 30th. Selfishly, I check in the Jambo in April 29

Harder to say. JnJ had a board member who in a recent interview said they may have all of their 100M doses delivered by end of April so that’s possibly 100M there. We know Moderna and Pfizer will have enough doses delivered by March 31 for 110M people. I would assume they each deliver at least another 33M doses in April so it’s possible we have enough doses for 243M people by the end of April. Assuming only 80% of eligible people want the vaccine and assuming kids 12 to 17 are approved in April for at least Pfizer that‘s still only about 225M people wanting a vaccine. That’s also close to 70% of the total population which should be good to reach herd immunity. In order to get there In April it will take near perfect execution on the manufacturing side or an improvement in their process. It’s also likely that some of the people getting their first shot in April, including kids newly approved, will need to wait into May for the 2nd shots. I think it’s more likely by the end of May everyone 12+ who wants a vaccine is done and unless something dramatic happens very likely by the end of June.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The results are preliminary as we wait for larger trials, but in what will likely hold for all vaccines, AstraZeneca reported today that their vaccine seems to have cut COVID-19 transmission by at least half (they determined this by continuing to collect nasal swabs and comparing PCR test results between those who received vaccine and those who did not). They intend to eventually also test people who were near the vaccinated, but that type of study will take much longer. But, it is expected that keeping people negative for COVID-19 will also prevent spread. So, here we find a vaccine that not only successfully prevents most symptomatic cases, but in fact prevents most cases altogether, which would greatly reduce spread.

AZ's efficacy also rose to 70% with more data and they claim they are finding even higher efficacy if they space out doses by 12 weeks.

 

[bdearl41]

I get the Times for free through the college I work for, but I’m discovering it actually is much less biased than most other sources for news in America. CNN has basically become a blog filled with clickbait. It’s awful. Perhaps NYT doesn’t have to stoop to that because it’s not free.

Anyway, there are reasons for optimism.

If you like the Times, try the WSJ.

 

[ToTBellHop]

If you like the Times, try the WSJ.

I don’t get it for free through work lol

I work 45 minutes from New York, so that’s what the library on campus paid for...

 

[SyracuseDisneyFan]

According to something I saw in my work e-mail this morning, the New York Library Association is advocating library employees (like me) get included in the next batch of people eligible for the COVID vaccine. However, I wouldn't feel right getting it at this point since there's someone else (like my parents) who need it more than me right now.

 

[drizgirl]

According to something I saw in my work e-mail this morning, the New York Library Association is advocating library employees (like me) get included in the next batch of people eligible for the COVID vaccine. However, I wouldn't feel right getting it at this point since there's someone else (like my parents) who need it more than me right now.

Everybody wants to cut in front of the old people. (I'm glad you don't). Aren't the older or at risk employees already eligible?

AARP needs better lobbyists.

 

[Heppenheimer]

At least all this jockeying for position in line gives me hope that people actually really want vaccination. Lets just hope that this demand accounts for the 70% or so of the population that needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to take hold.

It also encourages me that the usual misinformation campaign by the anti-vaxxers doesn't seem to have taken hold.

 

[drizgirl]

At least all this jockeying for position in line gives me hope that people actually really want vaccination. Lets just hope that this demand accounts for the 70% or so of the population that needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to take hold.

It also encourages me that the usual misinformation campaign by the anti-vaxxers doesn't seem to have taken hold.

Not necessarily. It's going to take a long time to get through the vaccine supporters before we start to see if the anti-vaxxers are significant in number.

 

[correcaminos]

According to something I saw in my work e-mail this morning, the New York Library Association is advocating library employees (like me) get included in the next batch of people eligible for the COVID vaccine. However, I wouldn't feel right getting it at this point since there's someone else (like my parents) who need it more than me right now.

I'm going to say something that all may not agree with. Please get the vaccine whenever it is offered to you. Denying yourself the shot out of guilt does us no good to get where we need to be. Someone will always feel like they are not worthy or the like, but just do it when offered. You denying won't do any good. Instead write into government with your thoughts. If they choose to listen great, but if they do not, then get vaccinated. You will be helping the spread to slow and to help keep the virus from mutating.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'm going to say something that all may not agree with. Please get the vaccine whenever it is offered to you. Denying yourself the shot out of guilt does us no good to get where we need to be. Someone will always feel like they are not worthy or the like, but just do it when offered. You denying won't do any good. Instead write into government with your thoughts. If they choose to listen great, but if they do not, then get vaccinated. You will be helping the spread to slow and to help keep the virus from mutating.

I agree with this. Everyone should get a vaccine as soon as possible. Any vaccine appointment that goes unbooked prolongs the pandemic. And if a younger person gets the vaccine, they are indirectly protecting those who are older or have comorbidities.

 

[Lilofan]

I'm going to say something that all may not agree with. Please get the vaccine whenever it is offered to you. Denying yourself the shot out of guilt does us no good to get where we need to be. Someone will always feel like they are not worthy or the like, but just do it when offered. You denying won't do any good. Instead write into government with your thoughts. If they choose to listen great, but if they do not, then get vaccinated. You will be helping the spread to slow and to help keep the virus from mutating.

My second Moderna shot is scheduled in two weeks and my mom's first is scheduled in the same time frame! I can live with the temp side effects of arm pain and fatigue that I encountered on the first shot.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Not necessarily. It's going to take a long time to get through the vaccine supporters before we start to see if the anti-vaxxers are significant in number.

Only time will tell, agreed.

 

[correcaminos]

My second Moderna shot is scheduled in two weeks and my mom's first is scheduled in the same time frame! I can live with the temp side effects of arm pain and fatigue that I encountered on the first shot.

Hope yours isn't bad. My second Pfizer/BioNTech was not worse than my first. Second just happened a bit quicker but no worse (only arm pain both times)

I agree with this. Everyone should get a vaccine as soon as possible. Any vaccine appointment that goes unbooked prolongs the pandemic. And if a younger person gets the vaccine, they are indirectly protecting those who are older or have comorbidities.

Exactly! You are helping by getting the shot!

 

[Heppenheimer]

I'm going to say something that all may not agree with. Please get the vaccine whenever it is offered to you. Denying yourself the shot out of guilt does us no good to get where we need to be. Someone will always feel like they are not worthy or the like, but just do it when offered. You denying won't do any good. Instead write into government with your thoughts. If they choose to listen great, but if they do not, then get vaccinated. You will be helping the spread to slow and to help keep the virus from mutating.

My only objections are if the conduct used to receive the early vaccine was unethical, it involved diversion of doses away from higher priority recipients, or an example like that Canadian casino owner who flew into a small town in the Yukon so that he and his wife could get an early shot.

I have no objection, though, to someone using their time and resources to scrounge for left-over doses. Even though this might favor those from more affluent demographics, the end result of less community COVID vulnerability and doses not being wasted is only positive.

 

[drizgirl]

Meanwhile my 80 something parents wait after a year in isolation.

 

[Lilofan]

My only objections are if the conduct used to receive the early vaccine was unethical, it involved diversion of doses away from higher priority recipients, or an example like that Canadian casino owner who flew into a small town in the Yukon so that he and his wife could get an early shot.

I have no objection, though, to someone using their time and resources to scrounge for left-over doses. Even though this might favor those from more affluent demographics, the end result of less community COVID vulnerability and doses not being wasted is only positive.

It is the same go getting them attitude of the ones called the "vaccine hunters ". Some do their research and look to see where they can score leftover doses for themselves but going to different vaccine centers. Instead of leftover vaccines going to waste, more people can get vaccinated to include the vaccine hunters.

 

[correcaminos]

My only objections are if the conduct used to receive the early vaccine was unethical, it involved diversion of doses away from higher priority recipients, or an example like that Canadian casino owner who flew into a small town in the Yukon so that he and his wife could get an early shot.

I have no objection, though, to someone using their time and resources to scrounge for left-over doses. Even though this might favor those from more affluent demographics, the end result of less community COVID vulnerability and doses not being wasted is only positive.

Yes, that casino owner and his actress wife are bad examples. Stealing doses from others is never okay. Legitimately getting a vaccine through priority lists or even signing up as a no show fill in, I'm totally cool with it. As you said not wasting is important and it will help with community spread.