Covid Vaccine Updates and General Discussion About Vaccines

Will you take a Covid vaccine once one is approved and deemed safe and effective by the FDA?

  • Yes, stick me please

  • No, I will wait

  • No, I will never take one


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GoofGoof

Premium Member
Original Poster
I liked his NBA Disney bubble posts.
My sixers got knocked out of the bubble early, hopefully they last longer this year...actually I’m hoping no need for another NBA playoff bubble at all. Maybe even have some fans in the stands for the playoffs. NFL announced they were selecting some healthcare workers who are fully vaccinated to go to the Super Bowl. NBA could open playoff games to fully vaccinated fans if everyone has access to the shot by May. It could work.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
I’m in PA but it’s available there too for Down syndrome too so another option if they can get a spot here.

I don't really understand the inclusion of Down syndrome. I didn't think that caused anything that would put someone at greater risk from the virus.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Exactly. It may not be Down per se but other conditions that often come with it.

This is why the discussion came up. My wife has a genetic syndrome that can lead to conditions that would put her at higher risk if she got the virus, but this one doesn't get preference for the vaccine. Fortunately she doesn't have any of those conditions, but she has friends with the same disorder that do.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
This is why the discussion came up. My wife has a genetic syndrome that can lead to conditions that would put her at higher risk if she got the virus, but this one doesn't get preference for the vaccine. Fortunately she doesn't have any of those conditions, but she has friends with the same disorder that do.
Yeah, that’s rough. In all honesty, this is due to lobbying. There are enough foundations for Down or Diabetes that were able to get in on enough Zoom calls that their constituents got on the list. That’s how (and no offense to them) garbage collectors moved into the same group as teachers in my state. Sewage treatment workers, as well. Not that they aren’t essential.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Original Poster
French pharmaceutical company Sanofi has agreed to manufacture 100M doses of the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine for the EU. The deal comes as their own vaccine has fallen behind in trials. It’s a good sign that cooperation can occur between companies that are traditional rivals. They won’t be producing the doses until this summer which also shows the limitations of expanding manufacturing capacity. It takes a long time to ramp up.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
One aspect of people scouring all the sites, making phone calls etc to make covid vaccine appointments is that there could be a sense of unfairness that could happen. It could be possible a few could be making multiple appointments . There probably could be no way for the distribution center that are giving the shots to know if a person is making multiple appts for themselves and not showing up. So does the vaccine go to waste ?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Original Poster
One aspect of people scouring all the sites, making phone calls etc to make covid vaccine appointments is that there could be a sense of unfairness that could happen. It could be possible a few could be making multiple appointments . There probably could be no way for the distribution center that are giving the shots to know if a person is making multiple appts for themselves and not showing up. So does the vaccine go to waste ?
It’s definitely happening. I would hope that if someone made multiple appointments and then got the shot they would cancel the extra appointments. Some people don’t care.
 

Pangyal

Member
Vaccine Tourism. Especially from Canada. There will be plenty of people getting shots if you don't have to be a resident to get one.

So far less than 900,000 doses have been administered North of the border and supply is running low. If you sell it, they will come.
Well, to be fair, we are actually sitting at just over 1.2 million doses administered with a population of only 38 million for the whole country...it’s not great, but we are expected to receive continuous doses per our agreements with all of the manufacturers (with a reduced Pfizer schedule that is supposedly being “caught up“ in later shipments as they retool their plant in Belgium) and the party line was always that our vaccinations would really start in earnest around April.

I am in no way trying to be argumentative, just mentioning where Canada stands in the vaccine front for interest’s sake, as there is not really any desperation here being felt at the moment except for the long-term care homes, which are a total cluster that infuriates all of us.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
One aspect of people scouring all the sites, making phone calls etc to make covid vaccine appointments is that there could be a sense of unfairness that could happen. It could be possible a few could be making multiple appointments . There probably could be no way for the distribution center that are giving the shots to know if a person is making multiple appts for themselves and not showing up. So does the vaccine go to waste ?
That is the appeal for states that use VAMS, which makes that much harder. If you can just book with a hospital using MyChart, you can indeed book multiple appointments. You’d probably have to lie to survey questions but I doubt you’d be turned away. They want vaccine into arms. But there’s bad juju in that...
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
It may be no surprise to hear this from me, but I put a lot of the blame on the current confusion on the previous administration.

Since they were not keeping track of what states were doing, when they heard that states weren't vaccinating fast enough to meet the Fed's announced goals, they... panicked. They told states to move on to 65+ when the states hadn't even scratched the pool of 1a recipients. And so, anyone 65+ jumped ahead of the rest of the 1a population and those targeted 1b populations. This opened up a pool that the number of vaccines available couldn't handle. All because they weren't keeping track.

And when this led to shortages in the states, the head of HHS said the reserve will be released... except it was already released. The initial weekly doses being shipped out was high because they were coming from the stockpile created before approval. At some point, that stockpile was going to be depleted and then the doses would only be as much as could be produced week by week.

But, the previous administration wasn't keeping track of that at all.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
It may be no surprise to hear this from me, but I put a lot of the blame on the current confusion on the previous administration.

Since they were not keeping track of what states were doing, when they heard that states weren't vaccinating fast enough to meet the Fed's announced goals, they... panicked. They told states to move on to 65+ when the states hadn't even scratched the pool of 1a recipients. And so, anyone 65+ jumped ahead of the rest of the 1a population and those targeted 1b populations. This opened up a pool that the number of vaccines available couldn't handle. All because they weren't keeping track.

And when this led to shortages in the states, the head of HHS said the reserve will be released... except it was already released. The initial weekly doses being shipped out was high because they were coming from the stockpile created before approval. At some point, that stockpile was going to be depleted and then the doses would only be as much as could be produced week by week.

But, the previous administration wasn't keeping track of that at all.
There is another problem—look at administration state by state. Both administrations have been critical of the fact that most states have administered roughly half of their doses, saying “hurry up you fools!” In response, look at North Dakota. They’ve administered 80% of their doses, which was celebrated. I mentioned perhaps a week back in this thread that I presumed most states were using 50% of doses to save the other 50% for vital dose 2. Now the Biden Administration has admitted that, yes, that should be the case after initially being critical of states for “under-administering.” For states that have been holding on to dose 2, no harm is done. What do we think is going to happen in February in states like ND? They need to dramatically slow down or halt first doses now so they’ll have enough 2nd doses. And yet no one has told them to.

Like you, I don’t really blame the Biden Administration too much (although if I was capable of seeing why so many states were only administering half, they should have) since the previous administration did not work with them and share information in advance of the transfer of power. They also claimed there was a stockpile when there wasn’t. Things should improve throughout February, at least.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Original Poster
Novavax Covid vaccine showed that its almost 90% effective in their UK phase 3 trial. The US trial is not expected to be done any time soon, but another potential weapon against Covid worldwide. It did seem to be less effective in S Africa due to the variant there, but none of the vaccine group had a serious infection.

 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Novavax Covid vaccine showed that its almost 90% effective in their UK phase 3 trial. The US trial is not expected to be done any time soon, but another potential weapon against Covid worldwide. It did seem to be less effective in S Africa due to the variant there, but none of the vaccine group had a serious infection.

If it is as effective against the strain first discovered in S. Africa as a flu shot typically is, that’s good enough for now. Preventing severe illness is particularly significant. This is a more traditional protein subunit vaccine that works like the meningococcal vaccine.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Original Poster
If it is as effective against the strain first discovered in S. Africa as a flu shot typically is, that’s good enough for now. Preventing severe illness is particularly significant. This is a more traditional protein subunit vaccine that works like the meningococcal vaccine.
The novavax phase 3 trial in the US started in December. They say they are expecting to announce results in Q1 at some point. It’s possible if JnJ doesn‘t work out next week or AstraZenneca later in the quarter this one may help pick up the slack in Q2. Just another good option for once it gets to the approval phase.
 

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