Covid Vaccine Updates and General Discussion About Vaccines

[GoofGoof]

You're over in Ohio right? Have a family friend that's talked about taking her 52yo son with down syndrome over to Ohio because he can't get it in Indiana yet. Has asthma, type 1 diabetes, and heart problems to top it all off. For them it's about a 45 minute drive to Cincinnati. I understand the reason because he's still reporting to his job everyday and non working days is at a special needs center. There has to be a middle ground somewhere. Bordering states tried to work together months ago for quarantine, mask, etc. requirements. But seems they've all gone their separate ways.

I’m in PA but it’s available there too for Down syndrome too so another option if they can get a spot here.

 

[GoofGoof]

No, I'm in Ohio. Ohio is not this way. We are in 1b at this time. Asthma and T1D are not allowed unless severe - which means hospitalized in the last year for it. Down Syndrome was allowed as of this week. Teachers with in person classes starting the 1st. As a warning many places are asking for addresses in sign up and ID upon check in. Moving one county hasn't been an issue, but out of state might get you an auto cancellation like some have faced.


That's a bit unnerving in a way. We are doing steps. 75+ allowed this. 70+ next. Teachers starting the 1st with them. Not sure where all essentials fall but health care allowed of course. Some talk about T1D not as severe starting the 15th. We're just kind of watching to see.

I think it’s really disappointing for teachers especially because they were told a few weeks ago they would be going this week or the first week in Feb. We even got an e-mail update from the school district stating that they were going to start vaccinations of teachers and staff at the school. Then the CDC moved 65+ and higher risk people up the list and the state followed.

 

[Shouldigo12]

No, I'm in Ohio. Ohio is not this way. We are in 1b at this time. Asthma and T1D are not allowed unless severe - which means hospitalized in the last year for it. Down Syndrome was allowed as of this week. Teachers with in person classes starting the 1st. As a warning many places are asking for addresses in sign up and ID upon check in. Moving one county hasn't been an issue, but out of state might get you an auto cancellation like some have faced.


That's a bit unnerving in a way. We are doing steps. 75+ allowed this. 70+ next. Teachers starting the 1st with them. Not sure where all essentials fall but health care allowed of course. Some talk about T1D not as severe starting the 15th. We're just kind of watching to see.

Oh! Don't know how I missed you were here in Ohio with me. Now I have someone to gripe about our chaotic weather with.

Not in this thread, of course. But it's good information to keep on mind.

 

[correcaminos]

Oh! Don't know how I missed you were here in Ohio with me. Now I have someone to gripe about our chaotic weather with.

Not in this thread, of course. But it's good information to keep on mind.

Great to have fellow Ohioans here. The weather lately has really taken a toll on my sinuses lol. I'm in the burbs of Cbus so at least we avoid the super crazy snow and ice usually. Often goes north or south. Right now we just have gray.

I think it’s really disappointing for teachers especially because they were told a few weeks ago they would be going this week or the first week in Feb. We even got an e-mail update from the school district stating that they were going to start vaccinations of teachers and staff at the school. Then the CDC moved 65+ and higher risk people up the list and the state followed.

I feel for them with that. Here they are putting teachers with 70+ and 65+ the week after. Our governor is pushing to get kids back in school but not trying to be stupid about it (totally, I still miss Dr. Acton). I don't get why they decided it wasn't teachers and 65+ really don't.

 

[sullyinMT]

Great to have fellow Ohioans here. The weather lately has really taken a toll on my sinuses lol. I'm in the burbs of Cbus so at least we avoid the super crazy snow and ice usually. Often goes north or south. Right now we just have gray.


I feel for them with that. Here they are putting teachers with 70+ and 65+ the week after. Our governor is pushing to get kids back in school but not trying to be stupid about it (totally, I still miss Dr. Acton). I don't get why they decided it wasn't teachers and 65+ really don't.

Question about scheduling in Ohio. My folks are still in the Cincinnati area (Claremont Co), and my dad will be eligible Feb 8. Mom is 64 with many comorbidities and will probably be eligible by age first without doctor’s approval.

I helped my dad do a pre-registration with Meijer, but do you know of anyone doing scheduling and not waitlisting?

 

[ToTBellHop]

The continued slide for shots for teachers is appalling. They’ve been expected to have significant exposure throughout this school year, are told they are vital to get the country back on track, but when they actually need something, continually told “just a bit longer.” It is terrible. America “loves teachers” but doesn’t treat them like they do.

 

[GoofGoof]

I feel for them with that. Here they are putting teachers with 70+ and 65+ the week after. Our governor is pushing to get kids back in school but not trying to be stupid about it (totally, I still miss Dr. Acton). I don't get why they decided it wasn't teachers and 65+ really don't.

It’s a tough call. We have schools open here and for the most part there has been a steady and consistent message since they reopened that very few cases have been traced to spread in schools. If that’s the case I’m not sure why teachers need to be vaccinated to open the schools. It’s probably safe to open them (at least hybrid) everywhere. Not trying to say teachers don’t need to be vaccinated as much as any essential worker who has to work outside their home and have contact with lots of people, but the guy working at the grocery store is also an essential worker and has been doing it since March despite the risk. It’s hard to prioritize groups. The elderly and higher risk people are more likely to have a serious case or die but in many cases also have the ability to limit exposure more if retired or working from home. Maybe a good alternative would have been to open things to elderly or high risk individuals who are also essential workers first. Then add in others later.

 

[correcaminos]

Question about scheduling in Ohio. My folks are still in the Cincinnati area (Claremont Co), and my dad will be eligible Feb 8. Mom is 64 with many comorbidities and will probably be eligible by age first without doctor’s approval.

I helped my dad do a pre-registration with Meijer, but do you know of anyone doing scheduling and not waitlisting?

I've only been following central Ohio closely. Here Kroger, Giant Eagle, and Drug Mart have been the places to try outside oc the county clinic. Locally through Ohio Health, Mt. Carmel and Ohio State there have been clinics as well. My dad had put himself on a list at his doctor, his pharmacy, and a no show list the bereavement group with hospice (from when my aunt died). He got in with the county for a date first. This site gives all Ohio locations by county https://vaccine.coronavirus.ohio.gov/

Here are some sites that popped up from that

COVID-19 Vaccine Info

Upcoming Vaccine Clinics Mondays & Thursdays 2400 Clermont Center Drive Batavia, OH 45103 9 a.m. – noon; 1-3 p.m. We currently have the Janssen

ccphohio.org

HealthSource of Ohio | Ohio Community Health Center

At HealthSource of Ohio, we are focused on wellness, not sickness. One of our goals is to make healthcare more accessible for all.

www.healthsourceofohio.org

https://www.kroger.com/rx/guest/get-vaccinated

Mercy Health | The Highest Quality Care across Ohio & Kentucky

Mercy Health is a Catholic health care ministry serving Ohio and Kentucky. With more than 34,000 employees in eight markets, we’re one of the largest health care systems in the country. At each one of our more than 600 points of care, we deliver high-quality, compassionate care with one united...

www.mercy.com

Check out the Kroger one often and look at all pharmacies if you can. That one took a lot of refreshing but was lucky helping another do it.

 

[Epcot_Imagineer]

Good news on the Maryland front - every family member 65+ AND every teacher I know has gotten the 1st shot, all Moderna! Just opened up registration for essential workers as well! Very excited with how well this seems to be working, fingers crossed it stays this effective.

 

[sullyinMT]

I've only been following central Ohio closely. Here Kroger, Giant Eagle, and Drug Mart have been the places to try outside oc the county clinic. Locally through Ohio Health, Mt. Carmel and Ohio State there have been clinics as well. My dad had put himself on a list at his doctor, his pharmacy, and a no show list the bereavement group with hospice (from when my aunt died). He got in with the county for a date first. This site gives all Ohio locations by county https://vaccine.coronavirus.ohio.gov/

Here are some sites that popped up from that

COVID-19 Vaccine Info

Upcoming Vaccine Clinics Mondays & Thursdays 2400 Clermont Center Drive Batavia, OH 45103 9 a.m. – noon; 1-3 p.m. We currently have the Janssen

ccphohio.org

HealthSource of Ohio | Ohio Community Health Center

At HealthSource of Ohio, we are focused on wellness, not sickness. One of our goals is to make healthcare more accessible for all.

www.healthsourceofohio.org

https://www.kroger.com/rx/guest/get-vaccinated

Mercy Health | The Highest Quality Care across Ohio & Kentucky

Mercy Health is a Catholic health care ministry serving Ohio and Kentucky. With more than 34,000 employees in eight markets, we’re one of the largest health care systems in the country. At each one of our more than 600 points of care, we deliver high-quality, compassionate care with one united...

www.mercy.com

Check out the Kroger one often and look at all pharmacies if you can. That one took a lot of refreshing but was lucky helping another do it.

Yeah Kroger in particular is a hot mess on their website. I saw your other post about jumping county lines, Drug Mart operates in Warren and Hamilton but not Clermont near them that I saw. Mercy/CHP is their normal provider for services. I’ll give those a shot. Thanks!

 

[correcaminos]

It’s a tough call. We have schools open here and for the most part there has been a steady and consistent message since they reopened that very few cases have been traced to spread in schools. If that’s the case I’m not sure why teachers need to be vaccinated to open the schools. It’s probably safe to open them (at least hybrid) everywhere. Not trying to say teachers don’t need to be vaccinated as much as any essential worker who has to work outside their home and have contact with lots of people, but the guy working at the grocery store is also an essential worker and has been doing it since March despite the risk. It’s hard to prioritize groups. The elderly and higher risk people are more likely to have a serious case or die but in many cases also have the ability to limit exposure more if retired or working from home. Maybe a good alternative would have been to open things to elderly or high risk individuals who are also essential workers first. Then add in others later.

I have a friend who is a teacher in a district that didn't follow safety measures. She got sick. A school in Ohio had code words for when the masks should be put on and they had a massive breakout. My school has had no cases during school hours but we have really strict measures in place. It's really disappointing to me that teachers who are out in the community more teaching children whose parents don't follow rules were told they could but now they cannot. If you look across the nation I can see why teachers should go early. Some are dying as well because many don't care.

It is hard to prioritize. I won't deny. I do think essential workers should be up there. But how do we classify who? Not just workers in stores, health care workers that are essential but communication and IT people are often forgotten. How do people think they are able to work from home or fix computers to keep businesses going? Where do we draw a line.

 

[correcaminos]

Yeah Kroger in particular is a hot mess on their website. I saw your other post about jumping county lines, Drug Mart operates in Warren and Hamilton but not Clermont near them that I saw. Mercy/CHP is their normal provider for services. I’ll give those a shot. Thanks!

Good luck! Kroger with lots of refreshes did work for me. The county was the easiest for us to do though. Drug Mart here was starting to schedule via email after a week or so of signing up but by then we were taken care of.

 

[GoofGoof]

I have a friend who is a teacher in a district that didn't follow safety measures. She got sick. A school in Ohio had code words for when the masks should be put on and they had a massive breakout. My school has had no cases during school hours but we have really strict measures in place. It's really disappointing to me that teachers who are out in the community more teaching children whose parents don't follow rules were told they could but now they cannot. If you look across the nation I can see why teachers should go early. Some are dying as well because many don't care.

It is hard to prioritize. I won't deny. I do think essential workers should be up there. But how do we classify who? Not just workers in stores, health care workers that are essential but communication and IT people are often forgotten. How do people think they are able to work from home or fix computers to keep businesses going? Where do we draw a line.

It’s really hard. I just brought up grocery store workers but it applies mostly anyone who has to work outside the home. Those Amazon workers fulfilling our orders, FedEx delivery guy, the people at the power plants making sure the lights stay on, the factory workers processing food and TP, etc... All of those people are at a higher risk due to exposure and in roles that we need. They probably should have said if you work in an essential role and are either 65+ or have a higher risk condition then you are in 1a or the current group. Then do the rest of 65+, then the rest of high risk and finally the rest of essential workers under 65 without high risk. It isn’t a huge change, but it would put further priority on essential workers who could suffer a severe negative outcome. The problem is it may slow down the distribution process which was the reason they changed the priority in the first place.

 

[correcaminos]

It’s really hard. I just brought up grocery store workers but it applies mostly anyone who has to work outside the home. Those Amazon workers fulfilling our orders, FedEx delivery guy, the people at the power plants making sure the lights stay on, the factory workers processing food and TP, etc... All of those people are at a higher risk due to exposure and in roles that we need. They probably should have said if you work in an essential role and are either 65+ or have a higher risk condition then you are in 1a or the current group. Then do the rest of 65+, then the rest of high risk and finally the rest of essential workers under 65 without high risk. It isn’t a huge change, but it would put further priority on essential workers who could suffer a severe negative outcome. The problem is it may slow down the distribution process which was the reason they changed the priority in the first place.

I didn't even want to start listing what all think of as essentials. We have so many really! I think your idea is wise. Unfortunately a lot of 65+ do have higher risks so maybe that's hard to do. Saw about PA allowing BMI 30+ to register. My husband joked being a weight lifter that he should go to PA since his BMI is high lol

I am hopeful the shots will start rolling given the new production timelines we have seen. We'll just keep on being safe for now.

 

[Patcheslee]

County hospital still has appointments as soon as this Monday, running 10am-6pm M-F, 10 minute intervals between appointment times. So minimum 48 doses a day. They require 15 minutes observation right now.

 

[MrHappy]

am hopeful the shots will start rolling given the new production timelines we have seen. We'll just keep on being safe for now.

This is exactly it. The conversations to date are moot. As @GoofGoof has helped explain, we are going to see a significant jump in shots given...like exponential. Arguing that 65+ are not as important as a 25 year old teacher isn’t helping. The new plan is for everyone to get vaccinated by the end of May.
Not to mention the overlap. There are educators who fall under the 1a Healthcare worker, and /or 65+ categories.
We all need to hang in, stop second guessing. And pray for JnJ to let the good times roll.

 

[ToTBellHop]

This is exactly it. The conversations to date are moot. As @GoofGoof has helped explain, we are going to see a significant jump in shots given...like exponential. Arguing that 65+ are not as important as a 25 year old teacher isn’t helping. The new plan is for everyone to get vaccinated by the end of May.
Not to mention the overlap. There are educators who fall under the 1a Healthcare worker, and /or 65+ categories.
We all need to hang in, stop second guessing. And pray for JnJ to let the good times roll.

 

[GoofGoof]

This is exactly it. The conversations to date are moot. As @GoofGoof has helped explain, we are going to see a significant jump in shots given...like exponential. Arguing that 65+ are not as important as a 25 year old teacher isn’t helping. The new plan is for everyone to get vaccinated by the end of May.
Not to mention the overlap. There are educators who fall under the 1a Healthcare worker, and /or 65+ categories.
We all need to hang in, stop second guessing. And pray for JnJ to let the good times roll.

Pfizer and Moderna confirmed 220M doses by March 31. That’s enough for 110M people. If JnJ hits they should ramp up delivery by March 1 and might have 40-50M doses delivered. So by March 31 150M to 160M people done. From the numbers I have seen there are:

• 53M adults over 65
• 110M 16-64 year olds with pre-existing conditions
• 30M frontline essential workers (includes teachers and first responders)
• 57M other essential worker

If you take 65+, 16-64 with underlying health conditions and front line essential workers that‘s 193M people but it’s likely some percent won’t get the vaccine. If we assume 80% acceptance rate that gets us in the range available by March 31. The point is that if JnJ is approved and if all 3 companies reach their targets we will have enough doses to fully vaccinate all of these people by March 31 with the remaining essential workers done in April and the rest of the adult population in May. Then it’s waiting for kids to get approval.

So using math and some assumptions based on projections made public I 100% agree that there’s no need for concern. Everyone will get to go and go sooner than later. A lot rides on JnJ for the sooner part. With the additional doses of Pfizer and Moderna on order for Q3 we will be done by this summer either way, JnJ probably makes it May/June instead of August/Sept.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-20/02-COVID-Dooling.pdf

 

[MrHappy]

Pfizer and Moderna confirmed 220M doses by March 31. That’s enough for 110M people. If JnJ hits they should ramp up delivery by March 1 and might have 40-50M doses delivered. So by March 31 150M to 160M people done. From the numbers I have seen there are:

• 53M adults over 65
• 110M 16-64 year olds with pre-existing conditions
• 30M frontline essential workers (includes teachers and first responders)
• 57M other essential worker

If you take 65+, 16-64 with underlying health conditions and front line essential workers that‘s 193M people but it’s likely some percent won’t get the vaccine. If we assume 80% acceptance rate that gets us in the range available by March 31. The point is that if JnJ is approved and if all 3 companies reach their targets we will have enough doses to fully vaccinate all of these people by March 31 with the remaining essential workers done in April and the rest of the adult population in May. Then it’s waiting for kids to get approval.

So using math and some assumptions based on projections made public I 100% agree that there’s no need for concern. Everyone will get to go and go sooner than later. A lot rides on JnJ for the sooner part. With the additional doses of Pfizer and Moderna on order for Q3 we will be done by this summer either way, JnJ probably makes it May/June instead of August/Sept.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-20/02-COVID-Dooling.pdf

During this whole ordeal, I usually scan for @GoofGoof posts. So good!

 

[Lilofan]

During this whole ordeal, I usually scan for @GoofGoof posts. So good!

I liked his NBA Disney bubble posts.