Country Bear Jamboree closing for lengthy refurbishment in August

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Hey watch it - I'm a middle child.....
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aladdin2007

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Are we talking about them cutting the song that bonnie beulah and oh gee I forget lol, sing? Or taking out those three bears all together??? Changing the song is one thing, but removing the triplets all together would be horrible.
 

asianway

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Are we talking about them cutting the song that bonnie beulah and oh gee I forget lol, sing? Or taking out those three bears all together??? Changing the song is one thing, but removing the triplets all together would be horrible.
Good question..but can you really see them adding any new content?
 

JimboJones123

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" Zeke: The leader of the Five Bear Rugs,he wears a top hat and a pair of glasses. It is said he is the only one in the band who can read music. He strums a banjo and a bangs on a dishpan. He was voiced by Dallas McKennon from 1971 to 1975,then he was voiced by Randy Sparks. "

I have both versions of Devilish Mary. Any reason why they changed voices and recut it? I like the original better than the current version.
 

Clever Name

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" Zeke: The leader of the Five Bear Rugs,he wears a top hat and a pair of glasses. It is said he is the only one in the band who can read music. He strums a banjo and a bangs on a dishpan. He was voiced by Dallas McKennon from 1971 to 1975,then he was voiced by Randy Sparks. "

I have both versions of Devilish Mary. Any reason why they changed voices and recut it? I like the original better than the current version.
Most likely to break up the boredom.
 

MarkTwain

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So
The show doesn't get enough guests to deserve the seasonal overlay, but enough to cut the show by 50 seconds to add 1-2 extra intervals a day????

Again, I would be willing to volunteer FREE labor to do the overlays!!! My whole family would.

I think about that all the time... how much free labor we would do for WDW if it meant getting the level of quality we wanted. :)
 

JimboJones123

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I think about that all the time... how much free labor we would do for WDW if it meant getting the level of quality we wanted. :)
I am dead serious too. Put me up in a Value hotel. Give me some comp passes and you have a free 160 hours of labor. Plus the $2000-4000 we will spend on expensive meals and gifts to make up for the rest of the trip being free.

I seriously don't see how the turnover set decorating could take more than 3-4 people 2-3 days. Stage shows do HUGE set changes in less than a minute. My theater, radio, and television backgrounds (along with working at Chuck E Cheese dressing sets for a year and a half) make me more than qualified to open the 10-12 boxes of goodies and put them where they need to be. The reprogramming of the show should take minutes.

Seriously Disney... PM me. I'm already coming down for Wine and Dine.
 

MarkTwain

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I am dead serious too. Put me up in a Value hotel. Give me some comp passes and you have a free 160 hours of labor. Plus the $2000-4000 we will spend on expensive meals and gifts to make up for the rest of the trip being free.

I seriously don't see how the turnover set decorating could take more than 3-4 people 2-3 days. Stage shows do HUGE set changes in less than a minute. My theater, radio, and television backgrounds (along with working at Chuck E Cheese dressing sets for a year and a half) make me more than qualified to open the 10-12 boxes of goodies and put them where they need to be. The reprogramming of the show should take minutes.

Seriously Disney... PM me. I'm already coming down for Wine and Dine.


It does speak to the almost elementary simplicity behind some of the things they've cut back on over the years. Lights of Winter takes, what... setting up some poles and plugging it in? The Sword in the Stone Ceremony takes exactly 1 Cast Member to perform, if I remember correctly. And the average Midwestern small town seems to pull off a new Fourth of July parade every year, around full-time jobs and limited resources... I'm surprised Disney can't do better than the ancient parades they keep showing these days.
 

spectrodanny

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Hey Jimbo do you also have Randy Sparkss version of "If You can't bite don't growl" it sure would be awesom to see a present day version of the soundtrack om youtube
 

luv

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I hope they don't water it down. The stuff I imagine they'd cut is exactly the stuff that makes it good. If they take out the good stuff, it will just stink.

It needs better audio, especially in the back rows.
 

JimboJones123

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I. Hate. That. These. Rumors. Are. Building. Speed.

Seriously, this show is perfection. It crosses many genres of early rock/country. It is a brilliant archive for the silver age of country music.
 

JimboJones123

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Hey Jimbo do you also have Randy Sparkss version of "If You can't bite don't growl" it sure would be awesom to see a present day version of the soundtrack om youtube

I have the complete version of the Original from the Disneyland 50th box set. I have a self made digital version of the current version. It is not an official copy.
 

Skyway

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I admit, I'm in support of tightening up the show.

I think the way they edited the Tiki Room was brilliant (other than the abrupt cut in the Hawaiian War Chant). I was particularly impressed with how they removed unnecssary dialogue and pauses and rearranged other lines to improve the pacing. Unless you held a script or had the original show memorized, you'd never know something was missing or different.

As I said years ago in support of the Tiki Room changes, this is not a matter of "short attention spans". Its a matter of audience sophistication and artistic timing. In the 1960's and 70's, audiences were amazed to simply watch robotic figures banter with each other. Both the original Tiki and CBJ have several spots where the show was stretched just to allow these figures a little more time to talk with each other. That's overkill these days. Also, most fans will tell you that the original Disneyland Fantasmic show is better than its "expanded" Florida cousin, in part because its pacing is much better without the lengthy "bubbles" sequence.

For example, the following sequence adds nothing to the show but time, and is even a bit confusing:

Aren't you going to help me out over there Henry? Goodnes gracious! What do you think we have you on the show fer.
Now Wendell.
You're supposed to pick.
Now Wendell please.
Ah, If you can't cut it, just lay out.
Well let's not fight now, cause we got work to do here.
Let's do it.


Also, as much as I despise things being done for politically correct reasons, I support the removal of "Little Buford".

My problem is that it takes me out of the moment whenever I hear it (and by the hesitant giggles and awkward glances from audience members, I think most others get distracted, too). I don't think "aww, a classic American folk song." I think "wow, its amazing that after Columbine, Virginia Tech, and Aurora CO a theme park is literally sticking to its guns with a song suggesting a kid should be shot." By no fault of Disney, a once-wholesome show takes on a new meaning 40 years later. And the last place I want to be reminded of such horrors--even if its just the momentary amazement that such a song is still being played--- is at a theme park. This isn't being politically correct. I don't think twice when I pass the shooting gallery on my way to see Jungle Cruise skippers and pirates firing guns. It's just that the biggest NRA supporter will tell you guns aren't meant to harm people who are simply stupid as Buford is. Sadly, in these modern times a funny folk song loses some of its comedic innocence. (For the record, I also get taken out of the moment whenever I hear the Three Caballeros sing about being "gay". Words and meanings change over the decades!)
 

ellie-badge

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For the record, I also get taken out of the moment whenever I hear the Three Caballeros sing about being "gay". Words and meanings change over the decades!

gay [gey]
adjective gay·er, gay·est

3. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. Synonyms: cheerful, gleeful, happy, glad, cheery, lighthearted, joyous, joyful, jovial; sunny, lively, vivacious, sparkling; chipper, playful, jaunty, sprightly, blithe. Antonyms: serious, grave, solemn, joyless; staid, sedate; unhappy, morose, grim; sad, depressed, melancholy.

4. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. Synonyms: colorful, brilliant, vivid, intense, lustrous; glittering, theatrical, flamboyant. Antonyms: dull, drab, somber, lackluster; conservative.

While you do have a point, gay always and still has remained a synonym for being happy... it just isn't used often in that sort of context anymore, because unfortunately most young adults today are, well, immature idiots that stifle a giggle at most anything that appears or sounds "adult" (and this is coming from an eighteen-year-old!). It's unfortunately just the way the younger generation, for the most part, is.

Also, I am 90% sure that gay has also meant being homosexual in the past as well, as I recall watching a few very old black and white documentaries using the word in that specific context. So, in a way, both definitions have existed for a very long time, but I guess different generations have favored one definition over the other.

Not trying to start a nasty argument, just looking for a clean debate. :)
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
gay [gey]
adjective gay·er, gay·est

3. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. Synonyms: cheerful, gleeful, happy, glad, cheery, lighthearted, joyous, joyful, jovial; sunny, lively, vivacious, sparkling; chipper, playful, jaunty, sprightly, blithe. Antonyms: serious, grave, solemn, joyless; staid, sedate; unhappy, morose, grim; sad, depressed, melancholy.

4. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. Synonyms: colorful, brilliant, vivid, intense, lustrous; glittering, theatrical, flamboyant. Antonyms: dull, drab, somber, lackluster; conservative.

While you do have a point, gay always and still has remained a synonym for being happy... it just isn't used often in that sort of context anymore, because unfortunately most young adults today are, well, immature idiots that stifle a giggle at most anything that appears or sounds "adult" (and this is coming from an eighteen-year-old!). It's unfortunately just the way the younger generation, for the most part, is.

Also, I am 90% sure that gay has also meant being homosexual in the past as well, as I recall watching a few very old black and white documentaries using the word in that specific context. So, in a way, both definitions have existed for a very long time, but I guess different generations have favored one definition over the other.

Not trying to start a nasty argument, just looking for a clean debate. :)
While the meaning, according to the dictionary, has not changed, the order of importance of the meanings HAVE change. Notice that the number 1 and number 2 meanings are no longer the "happy" meanings.

Dictionaries must change with the times in order to remain relevant...so must Disney.
 

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